EmployeeoftheMonth Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I love the way you phrased these two posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 It will be years before a realistic assessment can be made of this deal. Suggestions that CoHo could have been the 2nd center would have potentially been explosive between the Canucks and Kesler. A possibility that Kesler might have been more forthright about his physical condition but we don't know that he was not. The bottom line is that the 2nd line had been ineffective for 2 seasons and CoHo might have helped more with increased ice. His PP time was an indicator of his potential. Kassian - CoHo straight up is how this deal gets assessed long term which ignores the other two MAG and Sultzer. I liked Sulzer and did not like MAG's constant gambling. Acquiring Kassian confirmed a Canuck need for more size and also recognized the Canuck timeline of CUP contention now and not 3 -4 years from now. ie Kassian could provide a physical presence immediately. The other aspect in the deal was CoHo's health history which makes a long term career a question mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Cody avoiding questions about the trade is not something to read into as a negative. It simply means he is smart enough to keep business in house, something our GM doesn't seem to put much stock in. Cody's been given a lot of ammo to take a return shot at Gillis. I would be thoroughly entertained if he did too, nothing like twisting the knife in your old boss, especially one that ripped you in public. He'll remain quiet though, like a good lil soldier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gumballthechewy Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Whoops. Oh well, Cody still won the gold, Zack won the silver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Yeah,but he could not state that 'he did not want to be here' as that would be a lie. The issues were Canucks front office created and of course Gillis had to deal with them because he and AV and their medical staff were responsible for them. Gillis over exaggerated and covered his own butt,which is a no-no in any realm of management ,never mind the sports world. We always want any management to be able to take the higher road and always,always,always protect your employees or in this case,players. Gillis dumped on Hodgson.AV did a dump job. Yet Hodgson has never,ever said a bad word about Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Yeah,but he could not state that 'he did not want to be here' as that would be a lie. The issues were Canucks front office created and of course Gillis had to deal with them because he and AV and their medical staff were responsible for them. Gillis over exaggerated and covered his own butt,which is a no-no in any realm of management ,never mind the sports world. We always want any management to be able to take the higher road and always,always,always protect your employees or in this case,players. Gillis dumped on Hodgson.AV did a dump job. Yet Hodgson has never,ever said a bad word about Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Honestly, why is there "zero chance" that Hodgson would've stayed here long-term? That's just stupid. The Sedin's are under contract for 1.5 more seasons. It would not surprise me at all for them to retire after that. Not saying that will happen, but it might. In addition, their production declined last season, and I expect that trend to probably continue. Kesler also played some of his best hockey on Sundin's wing. No reason to think that he wouldn't be willing to do that again, with a better playmaker like Cody as the better fit at the C position. The crap about Cody wanting to be close to his family is asinine. And nope, apparently people can't judge Kassian on his production, either. That's all I've done in this thread, and it's created a lot of hatred towards me. Maybe we shouldn't start analyzing Kassian's performance until he's 25 or so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Explain please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I somehow doubt Hodgson has any ill feeling towards the Canucks medical staff. After all, his own doctor, the Toronto back specialist he sent him to, his junior team medical staff, and the highly regarded US back specialist they sent him to all came up with the same bulging disc problem. In the end it was the Vancouver medical staff that found the torn muscle that was aggravating the disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Suggest you buy a Sedin jersey??? Like the best prospect the Canucks have had since.... Trevor Linden.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I personally did not understand not qualifying Gragnani. Sure he didn't exactly work out as planned but he was at least as good as the guys on the farm. Could have helped the Wolves and been a decent PP specialist if one of our other guys went down for an extended period. Maybe the Canucks thought they had the inside track on Shultz, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Oh I don't know, William Hanley Trophy, Red Tilson Trophy, CHL Player of the Year, Hockey News Top Prospect, leading WJC tournament in scoring (gold), leading U18 championship tournament in scoring while being team captain (gold), OHL coach poll voted the smartest player, the hardest worker, the best on faceoffs, and the best penalty killer (so much for your constant assessment of him being a defensive liability, eh?) Zack Kassian has one up on Hodgson in one area, though: getting arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Nope; the last thing we should question is trading CoHo. Put two and two together, he asked for trades and was being a hassle. The real mistake was what we got in return; A PROSPECT. Not only that, a prospect who was less heralded and further behind in his development. I believe we could have, and should have got more. It was one of 3 mistakes (2knd being Gragnani). The 3rd mistake was how MG handled it. To me he pulled a gamble, entrusting a prospect to fill a key hole (we were desperately short of RW, particularly with size as our LW's are not big). He asid the trade was about creating "balance" for the play-off's. But when neither Grag's nor Kassian provided balance, then he pulled out daggers and started lto eak Hodgson's indiscretions. Basically to cover his butt. But while it cost us a play off year, its otherwise not an epic failure; certainly not in the league of trading Cam Neely. Kassian will still be a viable and valuable piece. He has size, speed and hands that are rare in a big guy. He will still be a good guy for us. At least we got something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Since Zack Kassian was never good enough to make a Canada WJC team, I guess we'll call them equal in the "Junior Team Winnings" department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Suggest you buy a Sedin jersey??? Nope; the last thing we should question is trading CoHo. Put two and two together, he asked for trades and was being a hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 AHL Stats GP G A PTS PT/G Cody Hodgson 18 5 14 19 1.06 Zack Kassian 27 7 12 19 0.68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Cody Hodgson, as an assistant captain, helped lead Team Canada's 2009 WJC team to gold, leading the entire tournament in scoring and (obviously) named to the tournament's All-Star team. Since Zack Kassian was never good enough to make a Canada WJC team, I guess we'll call them equal in the "Junior Team Winnings" department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Yeah,but he could not state that 'he did not want to be here' as that would be a lie. The issues were Canucks front office created and of course Gillis had to deal with them because he and AV and their medical staff were responsible for them. Gillis over exaggerated and covered his own butt,which is a no-no in any realm of management ,never mind the sports world. We always want any management to be able to take the higher road and always,always,always protect your employees or in this case,players. Gillis dumped on Hodgson.AV did a dump job. Yet Hodgson has never,ever said a bad word about Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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