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#31 key2thecup

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:02 PM

I am however a middle aged male, tattoos and I lift weights.

End of rant :P


It shouldn't matter what you look like, obviously they are walking around profiling people.
They are not above the law, unless you are being detained for something you shouldn't have to tell them anything...
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#32 JaGuaR

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:16 PM

Absent an apprehended breach of the law or a statutory requirement, the police do not have the right to know who you are.


That is correct, you are not required to identify yourself unless required to by law.

However, in this circumstance of being in a privately owned bar/restaurant, the officers may interpet the unwillingness to cooperate as suspicious behaviour and "flag" you in the bar/restaurant program. This can lead to more encounters with Gang Squad cops or being banned from all businesses that participate in the programs. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Edited by JaGuaR, 05 January 2013 - 06:24 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:36 PM

That is correct, you are not required to identify yourself unless required to by law.

However, in this circumstance of being in a privately owned bar/restaurant, the officers may interpet the unwillingness to cooperate as suspicious behaviour and "flag" you in the bar/restaurant program. This can lead to more encounters with Gang Squad cops or being banned from all businesses that participate in the programs. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

In a bar (or if you are a licensed restaurant and consuming alcohol) there is statutory authority to see identification that proves you are of age to drink so police can rely upon that to compel production of identification as they can do when you operate a motor vehicle.

There is also this provision under the BC Liquor Control and Licensing Act:

46 (1) A licensee or the licensee's employee may

(a) request a person to leave, or

(b) forbid a person to enter

a licensed establishment if for any reason he or she believes the presence of that person in the licensed establishment is undesirable or that person is intoxicated.


(2) A licensee or the licensee's employee, in reaching an opinion under subsection (1), must not contravene the Human Rights Code.


(3) A person must not

(a) remain in a licensed establishment after he or she is requested to leave by the licensee or the licensee's employee,

(b) enter a licensed establishment within 24 hours after the time he or she was requested to leave the licensed establishment by the licensee or the licensee's employee, or

(c ) without lawful excuse, the proof of which lies on the person, possess a knife, firearm or weapon in a licensed establishment.


(4) A person who contravenes subsection (3) commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a fine of not less than $500.


(5) A peace officer may arrest, without warrant, a person contravening or suspected of contravening subsection (3).


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:09 AM

Visual profiling should be frowned upon just as much as racial profiling.

But then again, everybody wants the cops to do their jobs as effectively and efficiently with as little resources and cost to the public as possible, and going after the guy with the beard and tattoos is perceived to offer better odds than going after the clean cut fellow with the suit and briefcase.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:45 AM

Visual profiling should be frowned upon just as much as racial profiling.

But then again, everybody wants the cops to do their jobs as effectively and efficiently with as little resources and cost to the public as possible, and going after the guy with the beard and tattoos is perceived to offer better odds than going after the clean cut fellow with the suit and briefcase.

Sometimes they do go after the clean cut fellow with the suit and briefcase - mind you they seldom get him so this may be the exception that proves the rule.

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For the first time in Canadian history, a lawyer has pleaded guilty to participating in the illicit activities of a criminal organization.


Vernon lawyer William Jacob Mastop entered the plea in B.C. Supreme Court Thursday, in the same high-security Vancouver courtroom where members of the Greeks gang were found guilty of murder Nov. 25.


Mastop admitted that he participated in, or contributed to, the criminal activities of the Greeks, five of whom were convicted in three brutal drug-related slayings dating back to 2004 and 2005.


Mastop, 46, will remain on bail until he is sentenced in the new year. His next appearance – to fix a date for a sentencing hearing – is Jan. 18.


The surprise guilty plea came as Mastop was due to go to trial next month.


His lawyer David Crossin began Friday’s proceedings by telling Associate Chief Justice Austin Cullen that he wanted to cancel jury selection, set for Jan. 8, and the trial, which had been scheduled to start Jan. 14.


The court clerk then read a new direct indictment containing one count, alleging that Mastop did “participate in or contribute to the activity of a criminal organization for the purpose of enhancing the ability of the criminal organization to facilitate or commit an indictable offence.”


Mastop stood up in the prisoner’s box and admitted his guilt.


He then left with Crossin after a few words with two family members who attended the brief appearance.


Outside court, Crown prosecutor David Jardine said the conviction is the first of its kind in the country.


“To my knowledge there has been no other case in Canada where a lawyer has been charged – and now admitted – to participating in the activities of a criminal organization. So it is unprecedented from that point of view,” Jardine said.


He indicated in court he would be seeking a federal prison sentence for Mastop, which means longer than two years.


But he would not elaborate, saying he preferred to make his submissions before the sentencing judge.


Nor would he comment on the fact a member of the legal profession had admitted to working for a criminal organization.


“I think that will be part of my submissions to the trial judge when we make the pitch for what we think is the appropriate sentence,” Jardine said.


Asked why Mastop changed his plea, Jardine speculated that the conviction of all five gang killers, followed two days later by a ruling allowing into evidence intercepted telephone calls between the lawyer and members of the violent gang may have led to the change of heart.


“My guess is those two factors put together may have assisted the resolution of this matter,” Jardine said.


Under Mastop’s bail conditions, he is not allowed to practise law pending his sentencing hearing.


Jardine said it will be up to the Law Society of B.C. to decide whether he is disbarred permanently from the profession.


Law Society communications manager Robyn Crisanti said a disciplinary process will get underway as soon as Mastop is sentenced.


“We need to wait for sentencing and we need to wait for judge’s reasons just to allow this whole criminal component to conclude,” she said. “Then once that’s done, we’ll start our process and that may or may not involve a disciplinary hearing.”


The society has the ability to bypass a hearing and go straight to a discipline committee to decide Mastop’s fate.


”I am not saying we would do that in this case. We don’t have all the information yet, so it is far too early for me to say that,” Crisanti said.


“I think the important thing to note in this particular case is that he is barred from practising law and that continues at the moment and so from our perspective in terms of our mandate to protect the public, the public is protected.”


She said the type of criminal offence involved is a factor in the society’s decision.


“We consider the nature of what he’s pled guilty to in our decision. I can assure you it will be taken extremely seriously.”


Mastop didn’t respond to an email request for comment.


He has maintained his law office website since being charged in January 2010, though he posted this comment: “I regret to advise that pursuant to a court order, I have been prohibited from practising law.”


On the site, he says he grew up in the Vernon area and went to Simon Fraser University, where he earned a criminology degree in 1991. He was called to the B.C. bar in 1995 after studying law in Edmonton.


He tells clients that he specializes in criminal law, including “assaults, weapons offences, narcotics offences (including trafficking in cocaine, marijuana, crack cocaine, heroin, ecstasy and possession for the purpose of trafficking), robberies, home invasions and other criminal or provincial offences.”


“I do not act as a prosecutor or agent for the state,” he says.


Mastop, a noted marksman, also features a photo of himself firing a gun at a shooting range.


But under his bail conditions, he is banned from possessing firearms. Nor can he associate with any members of the Greeks gang or the Hells Angels.


Mastop owns a Vernon townhouse assessed at $214,000. The B.C. Attorney General’s legal services branch registered a $255,000 mortgage against Mastop’s property in October 2011, according to documents obtained by The Vancouver Sun.


Since the Nov. 25 conviction of five men connected to the Greeks, three of them – Dale Sipes, Leslie Podolski and Sheldon O’Donnell – have been sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years. Two others – gang leader Peter Manolakos and associate Douglas Brownell – will be sentenced in January.


The Greeks were suspected in seven north Okanagan murders, but charges were only laid in the deaths of Dave Marnuik, Ron Thom and Thomas Bryce.

http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2012/12/20/greeks-lawyer-admits-he-aided-criminal-organization/
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:14 AM

^ Lawyer's wage isn't good enough for him?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:26 AM

BTW Mastrop is not the first BC lawyer convicted of involvement with organized crime.

Martin Chambers was sentenced in 2003 after he was convicted in a scheme to launder millions of dollars for a Colombian drug cartel but that was in the US. He was sentenced to 15 years in US federal prison.

Recently Chambers was seeking to have his conviction overturned on the basis that the RCMP officer who was undercover in the sting operation that nailed him was having an affair with the US judge who tried and sentenced him.
http://www.cbc.ca/ne...n-chambers.html

Chambers had a history of alleged criminal activity.


Mr. Chambers, 63, has a long history of legal problems. In 1981, he was charged with conspiracy to import cocaine to Vancouver from Miami. A decade later he and Vancouver financier Paul Deyong were involved in buying and selling large quantities of cigarettes though A.H. Riise Ship Chandlers.


More recently, he was described in court documents as the controlling mind behind six real-estate projects that borrowed nearly $27-million from investors in Eron Mortgage Corp., which had its licence frozen in 1997 by the B.C. Securities Commission.


Criminal charges were laid against Brian Slobodian and Frank Biller, the two principal officers of Eron, after thousands of mainly elderly investors lost $220-million.

http://www.investorvoice.ca/PI/168.html
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