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#1 Dazzle

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:54 PM

Four dead, including suspected gunman, in Colorado shooting

P. Solomon Banda, The Associated Press
Published Saturday, Jan. 5, 2013 12:34PM EST
Last Updated Saturday, Jan. 5, 2013 3:39PM EST

AURORA, Colo. -- Four people, including an armed suspect, died during an hours-long police standoff Saturday at a Colorado townhome, authorities said.
The shootings occurred about four miles (6.4 kilometres) southeast of the Aurora Mall, where 12 people were killed and dozens were wounded by a gunman at a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" on July 20. The man charged in that shooting, James Holmes, goes to court Monday for a preliminary hearing in which prosecutors will lay out their case against him.
An Aurora police department special weapons team responded after shots were heard at the townhome at about 3 a.m., Aurora police Sgt. Cassidee Carlson said. Investigators said two men and a woman appeared to have been killed before officers arrived.
The suspect shot at police who approached the front of the home with an armoured vehicle and tear gas at about 8:15 a.m., and he was killed when he fired at officers from a second-story window about 45 minutes later, Carlson said. It wasn't known if officers shot the suspect or if he shot himself.
A fifth person escaped unharmed and called police to report that she saw three people inside the home who "appeared lifeless," said Carlson, who declined to elaborate about the woman's escape.
A motive for the killings was unknown. Police wearing gloves and carrying evidence bags were going over the crime scene.
"We're just getting in there with our crime scene detectives, so obviously we'll have to determine if it was our rounds or his rounds," Carlson said.
Police declined to release the name of the suspect or victims.
"We have an idea of who they are, but we obviously want to confirm their identities with the coroner," said Carlson, who declined to release the relationship between the victims and the shooter.
Officers evacuated neighbours' homes during the standoff and used a bullhorn to communicate with the gunman, urging him to surrender.
"After we arrived on scene, there were no more shots fired up until he fired at us," Carlson said. "During this time he was all over the house. He moved furniture. He was throwing things. He was agitated. He was irrational."
A large front window was missing in the modest two-story townhome, the window's mini-blinds in disarray. Bullet holes marked two upstairs windows, and neighbours milled about outside.
Aurora, just east of Denver, is one of Colorado's largest and most diverse cities with more than 335,000 residents. It is home to Buckley Air Force Base as well as the sprawling University of Colorado Health Sciences Center campus.


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This is the same city when the 'Batman' movie theatre shootings took place - same city where people bought more guns after the incident.

I wonder which guns were used in the shooting.

RIP to the victims.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:01 PM

Need more guns?
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:06 PM

another one? Is there ever a day that goes by in the US without a mass shooting??
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:30 PM

Only four dead? Must be slow news day.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 02:31 PM

I just wish the idiots would shoot each other instead of innocent families.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:00 PM

Need more guns?


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:10 PM

Ban Colorado!
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:01 PM

Stupid Americans.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:47 PM

Ban Colorado!

Ban murder!
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

Ban America!
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:55 PM

It may not be the gun's fault, but they do make killing people a lot simpler.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:57 PM

4 people being dead in a shooting shouldn't be news anymore when it is happening in the good ol' US of A. Shootings should only appear in news when it hits double or triple digits.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:01 PM

4 people being dead in a shooting shouldn't be news anymore when it is happening in the good ol' US of A. Shootings should only appear in news when it hits double or triple digits.


So those four people who died a tragic death do not deserve validation that they lived, or that their lives were worth something to the rest of the world? Do they do not deserve to be recognized by the rest of the world for having been murdered for no reason?

Could not disagree with your comment more. :( :sadno:
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:39 PM

So those four people who died a tragic death do not deserve validation that they lived, or that their lives were worth something to the rest of the world? Do they do not deserve to be recognized by the rest of the world for having been murdered for no reason?

Could not disagree with your comment more. :( :sadno:


Recognized by being used as talking points on news channels or blogs to be then quickly forgotten? No thanks.

People are murdered for no reason everyday, its like a sport in that we only care if the stats warrant our attention.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:41 AM

So those four people who died a tragic death do not deserve validation that they lived, or that their lives were worth something to the rest of the world? Do they do not deserve to be recognized by the rest of the world for having been murdered for no reason?

Could not disagree with your comment more. :( :sadno:


The rest of the world? Like those 4 people who died during that day in some random US city mean more to the "rest of the world" than the thousands of people that died in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine because of US and Israel. How about the African children that die every day due to starvation? This is just the US media hype machine trying to prove a point about having a much strict gun law after the school shooting. They have to put up thousands of articles everyday if they wanted to report all the random shooting and killing that goes on in US every day. Yeah, its a tragic news but it is to the point that many people have probably become desensitized to it.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:46 AM

Recognized by being used as talking points on news channels or blogs to be then quickly forgotten? No thanks.

People are murdered for no reason everyday, its like a sport in that we only care if the stats warrant our attention.


I agree. Its all about numbers of death for the news station. Frankly, am starting to get tired of seeing all these threads talking about some shooting taking place in some US city again. It has become too redundant and it just makes this forum too depressing. They should just make one thread for all the shootings that happen in US.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:13 AM

I think the discussion is going in the wrong direction here.

Everywhere in the world the economy is bad.

USA is not the only country with guns.

Why is USA so much more violent compared to other countries?

As for Afghanistan/Iraq, it seems almost everywhere the US goes, they have started a mess that they never can fix.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:38 AM

another one? Is there ever a day that goes by in the US without a mass shooting??


I guess you're bound for a few of these when you average 33 gun related homicides in America every day.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:47 AM

Recognized by being used as talking points on news channels or blogs to be then quickly forgotten? No thanks.

People are murdered for no reason everyday, its like a sport in that we only care if the stats warrant our attention.


Four black people probably got murdered somewhere in Africa today. It didn't make the news.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:10 AM

Four black people probably got murdered somewhere in Africa today. It didn't make the news.

The point is we are comparing industrialized first world countries and that is where the US disconnect with gun violence and the proliferation of firearms is notable.

El Salvador leads the way with a 50.36 firearm-related death-rate per 100,000 population in one year - not surprising but compare like nations to the US.

The US leads the way for first world industrialized nations with a 10.2 rate (Number 10 in the world) and 3.7 rate of firearm homicide.

Switzerland at 3.84 is Number 19 and a .52 rate of firearm homicide.

Canada at 2.13 is Number 32 and a .5 rate of firearm homicide.

Consider Australia that after a mass shooting in Port Arthur in 1996 brought in strict gun control and a firearm buyback program... as of 2008 had a rate of 1.05 (Number 51 world-wide) and firearm homicide rate of .09.

http://en.wikipedia....ated_death_rate
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:38 PM

Recognized by being used as talking points on news channels or blogs to be then quickly forgotten? No thanks.

People are murdered for no reason everyday, its like a sport in that we only care if the stats warrant our attention.


You completely missed my point.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:07 PM

Took up the crossbow for hunting because of stupid gun laws. Before I get jumped on for being a gun nut, let me explain. I had a bad car accident years ago and broke my back with a head injury thrown in. Suffered from ptss, and anxiety attacks. When I went to apply for a pol tobuy ammo for my rifle, I was refused because it was deemed by the powers that be that I was a risk. I am a lifelong Metis hunter with 40 years of safe hunting. I also taught the CORE course for two years before my accident.

Seems to be a little unfair with no leeway. Maybe our esteemed legal eagle might have some advice?
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:08 PM

Took up the crossbow for hunting because of stupid gun laws. Before I get jumped on for being a gun nut, let me explain. I had a bad car accident years ago and broke my back with a head injury thrown in. Suffered from ptss, and anxiety attacks. When I went to apply for a pol tobuy ammo for my rifle, I was refused because it was deemed by the powers that be that I was a risk. I am a lifelong Metis hunter with 40 years of safe hunting. I also taught the CORE course for two years before my accident.

Seems to be a little unfair with no leeway. Maybe our esteemed legal eagle might have some advice?

1) The response from the person you asking for would be a cut and paste from agreeable anti-gun study followed with advising you to stay away from guns as they are evil.

2) I'd suggest a lawyer.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:21 PM

You completely missed my point.


Nope.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:04 PM

Nope.


Yep, you did.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:07 PM

Took up the crossbow for hunting because of stupid gun laws. Before I get jumped on for being a gun nut, let me explain. I had a bad car accident years ago and broke my back with a head injury thrown in. Suffered from ptss, and anxiety attacks. When I went to apply for a pol tobuy ammo for my rifle, I was refused because it was deemed by the powers that be that I was a risk. I am a lifelong Metis hunter with 40 years of safe hunting. I also taught the CORE course for two years before my accident.

Seems to be a little unfair with no leeway. Maybe our esteemed legal eagle might have some advice?

The first step is to find out the precise reason(s) for the refusal which are often not what you may have been told in your refusal letter which should have provided reasons.

To do this you need to get copies of your file by applying for access through the RCMP who administer the Canadian Firearms Centre - make a request under the Privacy Act using a Personal Information Request Form (http://www.tbs-sct.g.../350-58-eng.asp) to:

Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Access to Information and Privacy Coordinator
RCMP Mailstop # 61,
73 Leikin Drive
Ottawa, Ontario
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http://www.rcmp-grc....dex-eng.htm#how

On your request note which CFO office you may have dealt with and any file number(s) attached to your application. Here is a list of CFO's by province:
http://www.cfi-icaf.ca/files/CFOs.pdf

You should also make a request for access to your file held by the provincial CFO office under the applicable provincial access procedure. This is for BC:
http://www.oipc.bc.c...st-records.aspx

Under the Firearms Act see section 5 for the reasons for refusal:


AUTHORIZED POSSESSION

Eligibility to Hold Licences

General Rules

Marginal note:Public safety

  • 5. (1) A person is not eligible to hold a licence if it is desirable, in the interests of the safety of that or any other person, that the person not possess a firearm, a cross-bow, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, ammunition or prohibited ammunition.
  • Marginal note:Criteria

    (2) In determining whether a person is eligible to hold a licence under subsection (1), a chief firearms officer or, on a reference under section 74, a provincial court judge shall have regard to whether the person, within the previous five years,

    • (a) has been convicted or discharged under section 730 of the Criminal Code of

    • (i) an offence in the commission of which violence against another person was used, threatened or attempted,

    • (ii) an offence under this Act or Part III of the Criminal Code,

    • (iii) an offence under section 264 of the Criminal Code (criminal harassment), or

    • (iv) an offence relating to the contravention of subsection 5(1) or (2), 6(1) or (2) or 7(1) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act;

  • (b) has been treated for a mental illness, whether in a hospital, mental institute, psychiatric clinic or otherwise and whether or not the person was confined to such a hospital, institute or clinic, that was associated with violence or threatened or attempted violence on the part of the person against any person; or

  • (c) has a history of behaviour that includes violence or threatened or attempted violence on the part of the person against any person.



Licences and authorizations

68. A chief firearms officer shall refuse to issue a licence if the applicant is not eligible to hold one and may refuse to issue an authorization to carry or authorization to transport for any good and sufficient reason.

Your appeal is to a provincial judge but since your time has already likely expired you may have to apply again if you think you have grounds for appeal after reviewing your past file material. A judge can extend the time limit but in most cases it will be best to do a new application and if refused then appeal that second refusal.


References to Provincial Court Judge


Reference to judge of refusal to issue or revocation, etc.


74. (1) Subject to subsection (2), where


(a) a chief firearms officer or the Registrar refuses to issue or revokes a licence, registration certificate, authorization to transport, authorization to export or authorization to import,

(b) a chief firearms officer decides under section 67 that a firearm possessed by an individual who holds a licence is not being used for a purpose described in section 28, or

(c ) a provincial minister refuses to approve or revokes the approval of a shooting club or shooting range for the purposes of this Act,


the applicant for or holder of the licence, registration certificate, authorization or approval may refer the matter to a provincial court judge in the territorial division in which the applicant or holder resides.


Limitation period

(2) An applicant or holder may only refer a matter to a provincial court judge under subsection (1) within thirty days after receiving notice of the decision of the chief firearms officer, Registrar or provincial minister under section 29, 67 or 72 or within such further time as is allowed by a provincial court judge, whether before or after the expiration of those thirty days.

http://laws-lois.jus...6/FullText.html


Q. If my licence application is turned down or if my licence is revoked, how do I make an appeal?

The matter may be referred to a provincial court judge in the jurisdiction within 30 days of receiving the notice of refusal or revocation (or by any other date allowed by the judge.) The court should be contacted for procedures on how to make a reference.
http://www.rcmp-grc....per-eng.htm#b12

Here is a document from the Canadian National Firearms Association that goes into detail on what constitutes mental health grounds to support a refusal.
http://nfa.ca/resour...-and-revocation

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:59 AM

Thank you for pointing me in the right diirection. Time to get busy. I enjoy crossbow hunting very much and am able to fill my tags with it, The PAL is a matter of principle and thorn in my foot that may finally be pulled. Thanks again Wet.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:54 PM

So the NRA recommended arming teachers in regards to the Newtown shooting.
How about this? Arm every person who lives in America?
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