elvis15 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 If the retained/traded cap hit does not equal the same in salary, regardless of what percentage is agreed upon, then that is the most convoluted and ridiculous rule I've ever heard of.... for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 everyone knows the Lockout still isn't officially over yet right? the CBA still has to be ratified, but unless both sides go full retard it should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 @SpectorsHockey Looks like the 2013 Stanley Cup playoffs could begin in late-April, ending around June 25 at the latest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Perhaps you are right. But only thing I would say is it would not need be done behind closed doors. Edit: Unless there is a specific rule against sign and trade, which has not been made public yer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I would assume there would be a rule forbidding it simply because otherwise what's the point of giving teams a year bonus when re-signing their own players if that bonus can just be bought by another team as part of a trade. It's just dishonest to call that a "re-signing" if they don't intend to keep the player. That being said, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if a specific rule wasn't included or if, rule or not, the NHL claimed to be "shocked" that it happens and then points to it as part of what's "broken" and needs to be fixed with another lockout next CBA. Let's hope common sense sneaked into the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 That's an interesting point, where a clause for a player who's received a signing bonus could not be traded for a year would be very preventative. Otherwise we could see what you're suggesting, sign someone with 90% of their salary in a signing bonus only to trade them at the deadline (or sooner in a sign and trade) and the bonus would have already been paid on July 1 by the original team. Then the new team just has the cap hit, and minimal real money cost for that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Maybe someone can answer a question for me? Why was the salary cap officially set at $60 mil for this season but that they are allowing them to spend up to $70.2 mil? What is the reason for doing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 @Real_ESPNLeBrun: NHL governor inside the room via text: ``It's been ratified.'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 owner ratified 30-0 season starts jan 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Why are the players waiting???? The players aren't expected to start their own ratification vote until Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Why are the players waiting???? The players aren't expected to start their own ratification vote until Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Maybe someone can answer a question for me? Why was the salary cap officially set at $60 mil for this season but that they are allowing them to spend up to $70.2 mil? What is the reason for doing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 My guess would be to allow teams to start making moves to get under the new cap. For example, they might pick up a player to replace a player they know they have to trade before they've traded him (like a new backup goalie before we traded Luo.) It just keeps teams from having to trade a player before they have a replacement for him and gives them a little time to get a decent deal for the player they have to trade instead of creating a complete buyers market where teams get screwed on trades just to get under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Maybe someone can answer a question for me? Why was the salary cap officially set at $60 mil for this season but that they are allowing them to spend up to $70.2 mil? What is the reason for doing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-52 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 My question is not why teams are allowed to spend up to 70 but why they would say the cap is 60 mil for this season. Even artificially saying it would be 64.3 like next years seems duplicitous if there is not a mechanism in the CBA that affects how teams operate for this season. What effect on operations does the 60 mil figure cause? I can't see one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Could very well be wrong on the technical side of this, but they want to set the new CBA up using the midpoint system, where the midpoint is based off of HRR and then the floor and ceiling calculated by a percentage variance up and down. They needed to set the midpoint artificially low until they have an HRR to base it off of, and so the floor is easier for the teams that don't spend as much. They've allowed teams to exceed the cap up to $70M this year obviously, and the $64M next year is also artificially set as a transition period. I guess your question is why didn't they make the ceiling just $70M much like they did for next year at $64M, since that isn't an calculated amount above the midpoint. I should have just typed this: I don't know apart from $60M would be the calculated ceiling from a midpoint that would allow for a $44M floor. So it's really about setting the floor I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Only 2 NHL players have played every NHL game between the last two lockouts: Henrik Sedin 574 Jay Bouwmeester 574 Andrew Brunette 568 Joe Thornton 568 Martin St. Louis 567 Olli Jokinen 565 Chris Kelly 565 Antoine Vermette 565 Dustin Brown 564 Jarome Iginla 562 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 @jrimercbj #NHLPA results of ratification vote will be in a press release at 8AM 2morrow(Sat) followed by #NHL releasing schedule. Camps open Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 really? they are going to bother to wait until tomorrow? it's clear they ratified it if the NHL is releasing a schedule and camps are opening. why bother waiting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 really? they are going to bother to wait until tomorrow? it's clear they ratified it if the NHL is releasing a schedule and camps are opening. why bother waiting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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