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#31 bossram

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:01 PM

Buying out Kesler is flat-out stupid. And you cannot re-sign recently bought out players.

OP......
What is the deal with Mike Gillis, it always seems like he's sweating...

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:05 PM

Not a chance in hell, Tavares is untouchable, and thats not enough.

So Pittsburgh offers Malkin for Tavares and the Islanders turn it down. No, he's not untouchable, he can be touched, touched all over.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:07 PM

how about this its a blockbuster forsure

To Toronto

Roberto Luongo, Ryan Kesler, Chris Tanev and a 1st

To Van

Jake Gardiner, Michail Grabovski, Clarke McCarthur

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:19 PM

Lockout ends - Stupid Canuck threads begin!


It was inevitable.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:09 PM

If it were allowed (which it isn't) it would be a great idea because it would open up 4+ in cap space. The OP is trying to find a loophole, not actually buyout Kesler, people.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:24 PM

If the Nucks wanted to go in that direction they would have traded him before his ntc kicked in last summer.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:49 PM

Can i get a Sean Bean GOT meme of 'One doesnt simply buy out a Ryan Kesler!'


Don't want to be nit picky, but technically that quote is from LOTR. The GOT meme is "Winter is Coming" and its derivatives.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:35 PM

Don't want to be nit picky, but technically that quote is from LOTR. The GOT meme is "Winter is Coming" and its derivatives.


It's good, I already gave him the what for. :P

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:54 PM

Why does everyone get so worried about his surgery? Drew Brees had the same injury and procedure on his throwing arm for god sake and that turned out fine.

Old Kesler will be back and continue to thrive with a gay orca on his chest.


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:57 PM

Sure it's possible, but whats to say we don't buy him out then he resign's for the same amount of cash on a different team.
Plus it's not the Canucks MO to exploit loopholes of such

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:58 PM

Why does everyone get so worried about his surgery? Drew Brees had the same injury and procedure on his throwing arm for god sake and that turned out fine.

Old Kesler will be back and continue to thrive with a gay orca on his chest.


I'm more concerned that Kesler is starting to become injury prone. He plays a pretty reckless style of hockey and I hope it isn't starting to catch up with him. I hope he's just been unlucky and that's it.

The Canucks are pretty screwed if he starts getting injured frequently.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:09 PM

I'm more concerned that Kesler is starting to become injury prone. He plays a pretty reckless style of hockey and I hope it isn't starting to catch up with him. I hope he's just been unlucky and that's it.

The Canucks are pretty screwed if he starts getting injured frequently.


I think we have already been screwed because he gets injured frequently.

I just don't think he has ever given himself time to heal.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:10 PM

No.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:13 PM

I think we have already been screwed because he gets injured frequently.

I just don't think he has ever given himself time to heal.


So who should get the 2nd line center job in your opinion?

I'm thinking Higgins is the safe bet at this point, but it's a hard decision.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:23 PM

Sure it's possible, but whats to say we don't buy him out then he resign's for the same amount of cash on a different team.
Plus it's not the Canucks MO to exploit loopholes of such


What loophole are you talking abou being exploitedt?? The signed CBA that is going to have that clause that has been agreed to by both sides?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:43 PM

What loophole are you talking abou being exploitedt?? The signed CBA that is going to have that clause that has been agreed to by both sides?

The agreed upon clause in the CBA is only that a buyout is possible without any cap penalty to the team
The loophole I am talking about is to buyout a player making big dough and signing him on a cheaper cap hit, thus the player makes more money, and the team has the same player at a reduced cap hit.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:47 PM

The agreed upon clause in the CBA is only that a buyout is possible without any cap penalty to the team
The loophole I am talking about is to buyout a player making big dough and signing him on a cheaper cap hit, thus the player makes more money, and the team has the same player at a reduced cap hit.

You haven't been allowed to do that since 2005. What makes you think they will remove that language from the CBA?

If a Player's 1995 SPC has been terminated and bought out by a
Club pursuant to the "Compliance Buyout" provisions set forth in
Exhibit 16 to this Agreement, which "Compliance Buyout"
provisions apply only to the period preceding the 2005-06 regular
season as agreed upon by the parties (and in accordance with the
terms of the 1995 SPC, except as modified herein), then the money
due and owing to the Player pursuant to the buyout shall be paid
over the course of the remaining length of the terminated and
bought out 1995 SPC, shall not be made in a lump sum, and the
amounts paid under such buyout agreement shall not be included in
the Actual Club Salary and Averaged Club Salary of the Club that
bought out the Player during any League Year in which the buyout
is paid. Any moneys paid pursuant to a Compliance Buyout
Agreement are excluded from the definition of League-wide Player
Compensation. Amounts paid under such buyout agreement shall
not be counted against the Players' Share for any League Year in
which they are paid. Moreover, a Player that has been bought out
under the Compliance Buyout provisions of this Agreement shall
be prohibited from rejoining the Prior Club that bought him out
(via re-signing, trade Assignment or otherwise) for the 2005-06
League Year.


Edited by n00bxQb, 06 January 2013 - 10:47 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:53 PM

Calm down everyone. I see what the OP is saying. He/she is not necessarily saying that Kesler sucks so the Canucks should buy him out, rather he/she is inquiring about a potential cap circumventing loophole. Basically he/she is suggesting that the Canucks buy out Kesler, which means they'd still be paying him his $5 million per year salary but it wouldn't count against the cap, then sign him for league minimum, which would only be a cap hit of $800K (or whatever the new league minimum is).

The answer is no, though. The league would axe this in a second and penalize the Canucks heavily. It's kind of a clever idea though.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:55 PM

You haven't been allowed to do that since 2005. What makes you think they will remove that language from the CBA?


Well didn't know that was part of the original makeup of the terms, thanks for that clarification.
Either way the first poster in this is thread asks about Buying out Kesler and then resigning him to a new lower cap hit deal.
Whether possible or not possible Canucks organization don't usually utilize what would be a "loophole" if it WAS possible.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:56 PM

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:00 PM

You haven't been allowed to do that since 2005. What makes you think they will remove that language from the CBA?

Moreover, a Player that has been bought out
under the Compliance Buyout provisions of this Agreement shall
be prohibited from rejoining the Prior Club that bought him out
(via re-signing, trade Assignment or otherwise) for the 2005-06
League Year.


so if this is the language, it should only be reasonable if the player is likely to be injured for that year.

buy-out happens this summer. meaning a bought out player won't be allowed to resign with the team for the 2013-14 year.

so, assume kesler, or anyone else for that matter, get a serious injury and they will likely be out for a full year. i dunno, they broke their back or something serious.

you could then propose to buy them out. i guess if it was a good player, you'd want it on some sort of condition they resign with you. i'm not sure if there's a way to enforce this condition though so you'd just have to hope.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:08 PM

Kesler is a bargain.


Kesler is an embelishing douche. Until he stops doing that, he's not worth his contract.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:11 PM

Kesler is an embelishing douche. Until he stops doing that, he's not worth his contract.

Don't hold back GHL...tell us how you really feel !! lol

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:13 PM

Kesler may need to clean up his act, yes, but the guy is a Selke winner and a runner-up twice, and he has two 70+ point seasons under his belt, including a 41 goal season. He's on the level of Patrice Bergeron. In what world is the guy not worth $5 million?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 11:16 PM

Kesler may need to clean up his act, yes, but the guy is a Selke winner and a runner-up twice, and he has two 70+ point seasons under his belt, including a 41 goal season. He's on the level of Patrice Bergeron. In what world is the guy not worth $5 million?

The world of completely spoiled Canucks fans who scoff at Presidents Trophies and Stanley Cup Finals appearances as if they're not only non-accomplishments, but actually something to be ashamed of.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:03 AM

Jesus Christ...
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:05 AM

Yeah they argue over the new cba for 4 months. First thing you want to do is a slimy workaround of the new cap.

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Yeah, he sounds just like a real owner!

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:22 AM

Luongo is an embellishing douche. Until he stops doing that, he's not worth his contract.


I had to

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:24 AM

Kesler may need to clean up his act, yes, but the guy is a Selke winner and a runner-up twice, and he has two 70+ point seasons under his belt, including a 41 goal season. He's on the level of Patrice Bergeron. In what world is the guy not worth $5 million?


Yeah I know. I just find his antics embarassing sometimes. Of course he's worth every penny he's getting. I think his actions are the difference between great and legendary status. That's all.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:24 AM

So who should get the 2nd line center job in your opinion?

I'm thinking Higgins is the safe bet at this point, but it's a hard decision.


I honestly have no idea, whatever looks good at training camp
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