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The Calgary Flames Thread - 12/13 Edition

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Offer sheet fail and a same day loss to the Avs.

Woohoo dawgie!!

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Avs could of had the Flames first rounder. They could have drafted both MacKinnon and Drouin.

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Probably a blessing in disguise that we get to keep our lottery pick

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Calgary dodged a HUGE mistake as they would have had to waive him prior to him joining the team

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The Calgary Flames could have paid a higher price than draft picks if the Colorado Avalanche didn't match the offer for restricted free agent forward Ryan O'Reilly - namely, Ryan O'Reilly.

According to the Kontinental Hockey League's website, O'Reilly - who was unsigned until Thursday night - played for Metallurg Magnitogorsk on Jan. 21 and Jan. 23 (written in the game sheets as 'Rayan O Rayli'). And as NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told TSN on Friday, O'Reilly would have had to clear waivers to join the Flames if he actually played in the KHL after the start of the NHL season on Jan. 19.

The move would not be unfamiliar to NHL teams, as Evgeni Nabokov was claimed by the New York Islanders from the Detroit Red Wings under the same circumstances in 2011 and the Nashville Predators plucked Marek Svatos off waivers from St. Louis.

The Avalanche matched the Flames' offer sheet to O'Reilly just hours after Calgary GM Jay Feaster announced the deal in a media statement.

Had the Avalanche not matched Calgary's offer, the club would have received the Flames' first and third-round picks in this year's draft.

The two-year offer carries an average annual value of $5 million. O'Reilly will make $1 million in base salary for this season with a signing bonus worth $2.5 million. His 2013-14 salary will be $6.5 million.

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It's almost like Feaster wants the Flames the suck.

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Probably a blessing in disguise that we get to keep our lottery pick

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Calgary dodged a HUGE mistake as they would have had to waive him prior to him joining the team

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=417108

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The Calgary Flames could have paid a higher price than draft picks if the Colorado Avalanche didn't match the offer for restricted free agent forward Ryan O'Reilly - namely, Ryan O'Reilly.

According to the Kontinental Hockey League's website, O'Reilly - who was unsigned until Thursday night - played for Metallurg Magnitogorsk on Jan. 21 and Jan. 23 (written in the game sheets as 'Rayan O Rayli'). And as NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told TSN on Friday, O'Reilly would have had to clear waivers to join the Flames if he actually played in the KHL after the start of the NHL season on Jan. 19.

The move would not be unfamiliar to NHL teams, as Evgeni Nabokov was claimed by the New York Islanders from the Detroit Red Wings under the same circumstances in 2011 and the Nashville Predators plucked Marek Svatos off waivers from St. Louis.

The Avalanche matched the Flames' offer sheet to O'Reilly just hours after Calgary GM Jay Feaster announced the deal in a media statement.

Had the Avalanche not matched Calgary's offer, the club would have received the Flames' first and third-round picks in this year's draft.

The two-year offer carries an average annual value of $5 million. O'Reilly will make $1 million in base salary for this season with a signing bonus worth $2.5 million. His 2013-14 salary will be $6.5 million.

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TSN has updated that article to include further information

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According to TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie, the new collective bargaining agreement allowed the Avalanche to put O'Reilly into their own lineup without clearing waivers.

Article 13:23 in the pre-2012-13 CBA specified that any player who plays in Europe after start of NHL regular season needs to clear waivers to play in the same season in the NHL.

But the recent Memorandum of Understanding between the league and Players' Association says all players on a club's reserve list and RFA list will be exempt from the application of 13:23. Therefore, teams can now sign their own restricted free agents or draft picks out of Europe in mid-season and get them into their NHL lineup without risking them being plucked off the wire."

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If O'Reilly would have had to clear waivers (as per Bill Daly who should know)... then Feaster needs to be fired. that is an inexcusable error to make.

He could have doomed his team even more by losing valuable young assets for nothing.

Nice guy, but one of the worst run franchises in the league.

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Ahhh, thanks Feaster, the dogs are going to stop chasing MG and AV and come after you.

Couldn't have happened at a better time for MG

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Probably a blessing in disguise that we get to keep our lottery pick

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If O'Reilly would have had to clear waivers (as per Bill Daly who should know)... then Feaster needs to be fired. that is an inexcusable error to make.

He could have doomed his team even more by losing valuable young assets for nothing.

Nice guy, but one of the worst run franchises in the league.

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As stated by Provost, this error by Feaster is inexcusable. Regardless of the fact that he dodged a bullet with the Avs matching, the fact that he made the move in the first place is absolutely foolish. Not only will Feaster be finished in Calgary, this probably marks the end of his NHL career as a GM. Probably the stupidest move by any GM in quite a while.

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As stated by Provost, this error by Feaster is inexcusable. Regardless of the fact that he dodged a bullet with the Avs matching, the fact that he made the move in the first place is absolutely foolish. Not only will Feaster be finished in Calgary, this probably marks the end of his NHL career as a GM. Probably the stupidest move by any GM in quite a while.

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The avs shoulda taken the compensation and let O'Reilly go to someone wlse, thus keeping Calgary crappy and ensuring better picks. Foolish move by them too. Doubt theyll find common ground on o'Reilly in the next few years.

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As stated by Provost, this error by Feaster is inexcusable. Regardless of the fact that he dodged a bullet with the Avs matching, the fact that he made the move in the first place is absolutely foolish. Not only will Feaster be finished in Calgary, this probably marks the end of his NHL career as a GM. Probably the stupidest move by any GM in quite a while ever.

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Flames now in the news stating they had a different opinion and would have furthered that reason but in light of the Av's matching will have no further comment

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2013/03/01/sp-nhl-oreilly-flames-avalanche-oreilly.html

Feaster's statement reads in full:

"Prior to tendering the offer sheet for Ryan O'Reilly we, as a hockey operations department, examined whether there were any impediments to our successfully securing the services of the player including, but not limited to, his having played in the KHL after the start of the current NHL season.

Our interpretation of the Article 13 transition rules governing restricted free agents ("RFA"), and the applicability of Article 13.23 under the new Collective Bargaining Agreement to such RFA's was, and continues to be, different than the NHL's current interpretation as articulated to us this morning. Moreover, throughout our discussions, the player's representative shared our interpretation and position with respect to the non-applicability of Article 13.23.

While we were prepared to advance our position with the NHL, in light of Colorado's having matched the offer sheet it is now an academic point. As such, we will have no further comment on the matter, the player, or the offer sheet process."

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Fixed.  

This is worse than any bad trade since there is absolutely no return for the lost assets.  I can't think of a worse lapse that has ever happened.  If Feaster didn't check with the league on whether the offer sheet was kosher or not, then he needs to be fired.

Of course, it is possible that the league wasn't aware of this issue until a reporter brought it up either.  The final CBA language isn't out and available, so it is entirely possible that the league would have let Calgary keep the player as they make up rules on the fly as they regularly do.

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It doesn't matter what you thought it meant Feaster, Daly is telling you what it actually means. He's the one that helped write the thing after all.

Man that's embarrassing. Why wouldn't he just check with the NHL if he was uncertain about it?

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It doesn't matter what you thought it meant Feaster, Daly is telling you what it actually means. He's the one that helped write the thing after all.

Man that's embarrassing. Why wouldn't he just check with the NHL if he was uncertain about it?

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