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#31 DownUndaCanuck

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 06:13 AM

I'd rather a big, physical defenceman like Alberts and Rome than someone like Barker. That being said we desperately need a veteran presence on our blueline after we lost all of our greybeards in Ohlund and Salo. Suddenly a very young defence without years of experience that we need. With Salo in our lineup, our more panicky guys like Edler, Ballard and Bieksa were instantly calmed. I don't want to see how badly they play all season without a veteran defender.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:18 AM

A try out can't hurt but I'm baffled how Barker would get an opportunity ahead of Vandermeer.

Barker has huge potential but he has never put it together for more than a few games at a time. Not what the Canucks need in a 48-50 game sched.

I believe a known commodity like Vandermeer, Brett Clark or Colin White is a fair better option.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:18 AM

I'd rather a big, physical defenceman like Alberts and Rome than someone like Barker. That being said we desperately need a veteran presence on our blueline after we lost all of our greybeards in Ohlund and Salo. Suddenly a very young defence without years of experience that we need. With Salo in our lineup, our more panicky guys like Edler, Ballard and Bieksa were instantly calmed. I don't want to see how badly they play all season without a veteran defender.


Edler, Ballard, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Tanev have all played in the SCF.

Is that not Veteran Experience? I honestly don't think 1 more win would give them more experience than they already have. They know what it takes to win.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:27 AM

Barker is just terrible. OILERS FANS say he's the worst defensemen they've had since 2006. OILERS FANS!

Edited by n00bxQb, 08 January 2013 - 09:28 AM.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:30 AM

Good for Cam in managing to nab another opportunity. Most have written him off completely. On account that he's a bust.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:46 AM

As Millerdraft says this guy likes his booze almost as much as I do. However, he has great talent and was a terrific junior player. This guy can put up points and play tough defence if he can keep focused. Vancouver is an excellent place for any player to do that, moreso than probably pretty much any place. If you make the team in Van you will be watched closely and be a contributing member to the locker room. Perhaps the Canucks family orientated no-nonsense approach is exactly what this kid needs to turn his life and career around.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:49 AM

He was a super high pick...I'd be actually pretty happy if this were true.

Maybe he just needs a change of scenery. A city's atmosphere and a team that will accept you can do a lot for a player's confidence in the NHL. He's a big-bodied defenceman who could re-kindle his career and has no down-side since it's just a tryout.

I think if you look at players who were struggling who got traded or were brought to the Canucks you actually find the opposite is mostly true. Ballard and Booth, for example. They got crushed under the weight of expectations mostly by a rabid and often irrational fan base who turned on them in 2 seconds. Can you imagine what the expectations will be for a former 3rd overall pick here? Not to mention having his confidence crushed by AV who will not tolerate any player having confidence issues. He just benches them, pure and simple.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:55 AM

To be honest, everyone is saying that Barker is a bust and terrible and all that, I don't think it would be a bad move to offer him a two-way contract, you know, just in case.

I know some of you think Edler and the like are 'veterans' now, but do you not remember Edler in the last playoff run? Probably the worst defensive performance for the Canucks organization this side of Sopel, and without question the worst "major" player in the NHL playoffs. Canucks defense is good on paper, but just doesn't hold up in 'crunch time' -- of course that may be different now with a short season.

There's WAY too much inconsistency with our defense, so if Barker could be had on the cheap, two-way short term deal, I don't see why how it isn't a low risk, high reward deal.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:00 AM

another project that can pay off, why not.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:15 AM

I think if you look at players who were struggling who got traded or were brought to the Canucks you actually find the opposite is mostly true. Ballard and Booth, for example. They got crushed under the weight of expectations mostly by a rabid and often irrational fan base who turned on them in 2 seconds. Can you imagine what the expectations will be for a former 3rd overall pick here? Not to mention having his confidence crushed by AV who will not tolerate any player having confidence issues. He just benches them, pure and simple.


Difference in this case is that the expectations for Barker is pretty low. I don't think anyone here expects a guy with on and off ice problems over the past few seasons to set the world on fire. Your point about AV is valid though. We all saw how he revered Shane O'Brien for his off-ice activities.

A PTO for Barker is not a bad move...now, hopefully we could get Arnott signed to a one year $1.5 million deal.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:24 AM

To be honest, everyone is saying that Barker is a bust and terrible and all that, I don't think it would be a bad move to offer him a two-way contract, you know, just in case.

I know some of you think Edler and the like are 'veterans' now, but do you not remember Edler in the last playoff run? Probably the worst defensive performance for the Canucks organization this side of Sopel, and without question the worst "major" player in the NHL playoffs. Canucks defense is good on paper, but just doesn't hold up in 'crunch time' -- of course that may be different now with a short season.

There's WAY too much inconsistency with our defense, so if Barker could be had on the cheap, two-way short term deal, I don't see why how it isn't a low risk, high reward deal.

Bieksa was terrible against Chicago 3 years ago. The next year he was a beast. !?@$ happens.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:27 AM

PTO's can't go wrong, you get a free look, its like a week long test drive starting Saturday, if its true.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:41 AM

I'd rather a big, physical defenceman like Alberts and Rome than someone like Barker. That being said we desperately need a veteran presence on our blueline after we lost all of our greybeards in Ohlund and Salo. Suddenly a very young defence without years of experience that we need. With Salo in our lineup, our more panicky guys like Edler, Ballard and Bieksa were instantly calmed. I don't want to see how badly they play all season without a veteran defender.

Our "panicky" guys you have listed all have Game 7 of Stanley Cup Final experience. I guess a veteran is an "old guy" to you, because Ohlund doesn't even have the SCF experience in his career. Barker is also 6 foot 3, 220 pounds. If you believe Alberts and Rome were "physical" then Barker is just as physical if not more.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:46 AM

PTO's never hurt.
I wouldn't even mind seeing him resurrect his career by playing well, but not well enough to earn a roster spot, and then get signed by another team, a la Brendan Morrison.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:58 AM

As said before, PTO are only a positive. And if he signs it should give Canucks depth at D.

No news about Jason Arnott yet eh?
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:46 AM

As said before, PTO are only a positive. And if he signs it should give Canucks depth at D.

No news about Jason Arnott yet eh?


They need to ratify the agreement before you will hear anything about anybody.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:10 PM

They need to ratify the agreement before you will hear anything about anybody.


Oh yeah, make sense. Thank you.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:29 PM

Getting confused about what I'm posting in which thread - posted this in the new (duplicate) one instead of here earlier:

@News1130Sports The #Canucks have interest in signing free agent defenseman Cam Barker.
Agent J.P Barry confirmed this morning to us that Vancouver is one of the teams interested in his services.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:33 PM

Oh yeah, make sense. Thank you.

Dude, can you not just move all your signature images onto one line? And then it looks like you have extra lines down below all the sigs. Put the LB on one side and the RR on the other if you want to keep it centered - no need for any more lines and then extra white space so people have to keep scrolling past it.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:47 PM

short season NHL experience is vital no time to learn what its going to take. I like Barker fairly young knows what it takes to win and has been a very skilled player his whole career had a couple down seasons.
Maybe he comes here and knows this could be his last shot and plays like he has something to prove. (torres)
i'd take Barker over rome or alberts anytime plus he has the potential to move up IF he can regain even a bit of his previous form.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 02:00 PM

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 02:38 PM

I'd rather a big, physical defenceman like Alberts and Rome than someone like Barker. That being said we desperately need a veteran presence on our blueline after we lost all of our greybeards in Ohlund and Salo. Suddenly a very young defence without years of experience that we need. With Salo in our lineup, our more panicky guys like Edler, Ballard and Bieksa were instantly calmed. I don't want to see how badly they play all season without a veteran defender.


An angry, mean and fired up Alberts is someone we could use in our line up...not the passive tower of nothing that he's been since he has been with the Canucks. It's too bad that opposing forwards have no fear of parking themselves in front of our goalies when Alberts is on the ice. It would be great if he would be more aggressive and willing to drag his knuckles more than he does.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:04 PM

I know, no source, but a while back chatting with someone who was with Barker in Minny, and apparently he has some attitude problems, and really is just not a good hockey player for this level. We shall see.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:29 PM

I know, no source, but a while back chatting with someone who was with Barker in Minny, and apparently he has some attitude problems, and really is just not a good hockey player for this level. We shall see.

It's definitely not skill or ability on their own. He has had rumoured substance abuse issues, and mentally that can cause attitude problems and take a lot away from what someone is capable of at the highest level.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:37 PM

We're not going to be picking a great defenseman as our 8th D-man.

It's likely going to be a plug defenseman that comes cheap, cause that's all we can afford.

At least Barker has alot of upside, and was a high first overall pick. So you gotta think he's still got some talent. Either way, I would want him over Conauton or Joslin at this point.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:43 PM

He's got bust written all over him but we have nothing to lose so...
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:49 PM

He's got bust written all over him but we have nothing to lose so...


Yea, but can you call him a bust a s an 8th defenseman?

If he sucks or he has attitude problems, you put him on waivers.

At this point, I don't see a whole lot of options for D-men out there. We need a cheap depth defenseman. Maybe we can get that through a trade, but time will tell.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:05 PM

Hamhuis-Bieksa

Garrison-Edler

Ballard-Tanev

Barker-Alberts


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

How would a PTO work with the shortened season?
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:44 PM

How would a PTO work with the shortened season?

The same way it would in a normal season, the player comes to camp and tries out. He either makes the team and gets a contract before the first regular season game is played, or he's released
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