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#91 Coda

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:00 PM

I'm sure the insurgents in Afghanistan are much more battle hardened, better equipped and have actual training as opposed to many gun advocates in the US. You know, I wonder how much actual combat experience and training Alex Jones has -- I'm going to say he has absolutely none. The insurgents, despite being savages, are a much formidable opponent. Then again the US could have left that country nothing more than a smoking crater if they really wanted to.


I think you underestimate the American people. Despite the recent Obesity epidemic, the 'mericans are still among the most tenacious people in the world in my opinion. And when you consider that the total population of Afghanistan is only about 30 million, a concerted resistance by even a relatively small percentage of the American population would provide a significant challenge. Their obesity may even be an advantage to them during a time of low food availability...they could "live off their reserves" as it were.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

Yes, Canada has 1/3 the amount of homicides compared to the United States with a 10x decrease in population.

I do believe people should be smarter with their storage of guns. I also believe that it's not the government's job to protect us from ourselves, but from the potential threat of others. There's no legislation that can prevent stupid.


According to latest stats:

Canada has 1.67 murders per 100,000 population

USA has 5.22 murders per 100,000

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 03:12 PM

Yes, Canada has 1/3 the amount of homicides compared to the United States with a 10x decrease in population.

I do believe people should be smarter with their storage of guns. I also believe that it's not the government's job to protect us from ourselves, but from the potential threat of others. There's no legislation that can prevent stupid.

"Yes, Canada has 1/3 the amount of homicides compared to the United States with a 10x decrease in population." ????

The figures in the difference in homicide and firearm homicide rates in the US and Canada are generally quoted per 100,000 population. Basic statistical comparison - gross population differences are irrelevant.
http://www.gunpolicy.org


In Canada, the annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population is
2009: 1.8
2008: 1.83
2007: 1.80
2006: 1.86
2005: 2.06
2004: 1.95
2003: 1.74
2002: 1.86
2001: 1.78
2000: 1.78
1999: 1.77
1998: 1.85
1997: 1.96
1996: 2.14
1995: 2.01
1994: 2.06
1993: 2.19
1992: 2.58
1991: 2.69
1990: 2.38
1989: 2.41
1988: 2.15
1987: 2.43


In the United States, the annual rate of homicide by any means per 100,000 population is
2011: 5.15
2010: 5.27
2009: 5.48
2008: 5.86
2007: 6.10
2006: 6.22
2005: 6.13
2004: 5.93
2003: 6.11
2002: 6.13
2001: 7.13
2000: 5.96
1999: 6.05
1998: 5.19
1997: 6.79
1996: 7.3
1995: 8.1
1993: 9.93


In Canada, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2009: 0.510
2008: 0.610
2007: 0.5615
2006: 0.610
2005: 0.7
2004: 0.5
2003: 0.5
2002: 0.5
2001: 0.5
2000: 0.595
1999: 0.510
1998: 0.5
1997: 0.6
1996: 0.7
1995: 0.6
1992: 0.76



In the United States, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2011: 3.6
2010: 3.59
2009: 3.75
2008: 4.01
2007: 4.19
2006: 4.29
2005: 4.18
2004: 3.97
2003: 4.11
2002: 4.11
2001: 3.98
2000: 3.84
1999: 3.88
1998: 3.37
1993: 7.07

And if you look at the gross figures US numbers for homicides and firearm homicides are greater than 10X difference. For firearm homicides figure under 200 average per year in Canada since 1995 while the US would be average about 11,500 per year since 1998. Compare 2000 to 11.500.


In Canada, annual homicides by any means total
2009: 610
2008: 611
2007: 594
2006: 606
2005: 663
2004: 624
2003: 549
2002: 582
2001: 553
2000: 546
1999: 538
1998: 558
1997: 586
1996: 635
1995: 588
1994: 596
1993: 627
1992: 732
1991: 754
1990: 660
1989: 657
1988: 576
1987: 644

In the United States, annual homicides by any means total
2011: 15,953
2010: 16,259
2009: 16,799
2008: 17,826
2007: 18,361
2006: 18,573
2005: 18,124
2004: 17,357
2003: 17,732
2002: 17,638
2001: 20,308
2000: 16,765
1999: 16,889
1998: 14,276
1997: 18,208
1996: 19,645
1995: 21,606

In Canada, annual firearm homicides total

2009: 173
2008: 200
2007: 188
2006: 190
2005: 223
2004: 173
2003: 161
2002: 152
2001: 171
2000: 184
1999: 165
1998: 151
1997: 186
1996: 207
1995: 168


In the United States, annual firearm homicides total
2011: 11,101
2010: 11,078
2009: 11,493
2008: 12,179
2007: 12,632
2006: 12,791
2005: 12,352
2004: 11,624
2003: 11,920
2002: 11,829
2001: 11,348
2000: 10,801
1999: 10,828
1998: 9,2578

By any measure the US has way more homicides and gun homicides.

Actually there is all sorts of legislation that can protect stupid. Consider seatbelt legislation, motorcycle helmets. And all sorts of laws to protect third party from stupid - such as no-smoking laws.

Unfortunately in the US SCOTUS has foreclosed safe storage of firearms in an unloaded state in the home - keep 'em loaded and handy. In Canada that is a no go except in very limited circumstances - rural areas with wild predators about.

In the US concealed carry of handguns as well as open carry. In Canada handguns are restricted weapons so limited to civilian use on a firing range with safe transport laws.
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