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#1 Patrick Marleau

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:19 PM

To start off I know this is super repetitive, but in all honesty this is what GMMG needs to get done in order to get the best deal possible. I believe that the best option for both the Canucks and Roberto is trading him to the Panthers. Everyone knows that he will wave his no-trade clause to go there because of his wife and family have roots down in Florida.

The other teams that are in the mix, like Toronto, I feel just don't have the assets the our team needs right now, which is a second line center - with Kesler being sidelined and all. The players that they are only willing to give up, such as Bozak, Frattin, Ashton, etc. are just not the answer to our offense. We already have guys like Shroeder, Jensen, and Kassian in the mix. As for our defense, I feel that we are already strong enough, and with young guns of Tanev, Connauton, and Corrado, we are fine there.

The other teams, such as Chicago, Edmonton, and Islanders, are simply to the prime trading partners, with Edmonton obviously being in our division. I would only trade Luo to Chicago if they were willing to give us Sharp+ in return, which is most likely just not happening. As for the Islanders, I just don't see Luo wanting to go there, plus they would have to buyout Dipietro's massive contract, and give up a young gun, like Nino Niederreiter, in order to land Luongo.

So my proposal for Florida is something along the lines like this:

To Vancouver:

C Stephen Weiss
2013 1st rounder


To Florida:
G Roberto Luongo
F Mason Raymond
D Kevin Connauton

Be NICE PLEASE, and comment on what you would do differently if you feel this isn't fair!

Edited by Patrick Marleau, 09 January 2013 - 01:23 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:20 PM

id do that deal.

Edited by LordCanuck, 09 January 2013 - 01:21 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:24 PM

I would want a conditional 1st in 2015 if Weiss did not resign. 3rd if he does.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:27 PM

IMO Luongo should be able to get the Canucks a top 6 forward, a good prospect, and a good pick. I don't mind the deal, but I feel like people really undervalue Luongo.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:31 PM

Sorry if you were GM and made that trade I would start a lynch mob... personally. As someone else said all this undervaluing of Luongo was ridiculous before the new CBA but now with the Luongo clause his stock has skyrocketed imo. What is coming back from Florida there is not enough for just Luongo imo.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:33 PM

Get rid of Connauton and I'd do it.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:33 PM

IMO Luongo should be able to get the Canucks a top 6 forward, a good prospect, and a good pick. I don't mind the deal, but I feel like people really undervalue Luongo.


I totally agree with yoou one this one, but this trade does give us a top six forward in Weiss that played along side Booth in Florida, and ripped it up there! And the draft this year has a lot of good talent, so that pick could turn to be good! As for Raymond, I also feel that ppl underestimate him as well, I believe when he is healthly and confident he can be a good 2nd line winger on most teams, but he is expendible on ours. And with Connauton, I feel he is also a good prospect that is expendible because of our depth on defense, as well as having other prospects in Corrado and Tanev.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:34 PM

Get rid of Connauton and I'd do it.

My thoughts exactly. Maybe replace him Sweatt and/or a pick (3rd-5th).
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:36 PM

Who cares about Connauton? He's not going to be a NHL'er anyways. Trade him while he still has value.

Edited by Rey, 09 January 2013 - 01:38 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:37 PM

Sorry if you were GM and made that trade I would start a lynch mob... personally. As someone else said all this undervaluing of Luongo was ridiculous before the new CBA but now with the Luongo clause his stock has skyrocketed imo. What is coming back from Florida there is not enough for just Luongo imo.


What do you suggest that Gillis should do then?
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:39 PM

Who cares about Connauton? He's not going to be a NHL'er anyways.


Considering how shallow our D prospect pool is, he's probably our second best prospect after Corrado.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:43 PM

Considering how shallow our D prospect pool is, he's probably our second best prospect after Corrado.


Connauton is only up there on the prospects pool because he's older and spent more years developing. He's got 2-3 years to make the team or be a NHL journey men. He's been unimpressive defensively, and lacks any commitment. Much better off trading him for another project right now, while he still has value. Tanev looks like a superstar compared Connauton, and Tanev right now, is a bottom pair defense man. The Canucks aren't in a rush or in a need for depth defense man right now, Yann Sauve is more reliable than Connauton. Sauve just needs to get back to where he was before the car accident.

With Cam Barker coming into training camp. I wouldn't be surprised if Connauton looked like a poor man version of Barker, which honestly, isn't good enough.

Edited by Rey, 09 January 2013 - 01:48 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:48 PM

Connauton is only up there on the prospects pool because he's older and spent more years developing. He's got 2-3 years to make the team or be a NHL journey men. He's been unimpressive defensively, and lacks any commitment. Much better off trading him for another project right now, while he still has value. Tanev looks like a superstar compared Connauton, and Tanev right now, is a bottom pair defense man.


Tanev is no doubt better than Connauton. He's gonna be on the team, so I don't really consider him a prospect anymore.
I wouldn't care if we traded Connauton, but he would be an unnecessary addition for this trade.
Florida wouldn't really value him much since they already have an abundance of young D.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:51 PM

Tanev is no doubt better than Connauton. He's gonna be on the team, so I don't really consider him a prospect anymore.
I wouldn't care if we traded Connauton, but he would be an unnecessary addition for this trade.
Florida wouldn't really value him much since they already have an abundance of young D.


It's Dale Tallon. He likes to stock up as much as he can. Weiss should be untouchable, he's the teams number 1 center men. The only reason Weiss is traded if he tells Tallon straight up that he won't be re-signing next season. If you can get a Weiss and a 1st round pick, you don't even hesitate to throw in a guy like Connauton.

The biggest question about the whole trade isn't about the little pieces. It's about how Luongo is valued, and honestly. I don't know how to answer that question. Don't think anyone does. I say it's fair if the season just ended, but thanks to the lockout. Perhaps, Luongo's value actually got up.

But Connauton isn't a piece to care about. The NHL is going to be a mess right now, lots of things are not going to make sense at the start.

Edited by Rey, 09 January 2013 - 01:56 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:54 PM

i'ld move lu for colborne and franson
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:04 PM

I totally agree with yoou one this one, but this trade does give us a top six forward in Weiss that played along side Booth in Florida, and ripped it up there! And the draft this year has a lot of good talent, so that pick could turn to be good! As for Raymond, I also feel that ppl underestimate him as well, I believe when he is healthly and confident he can be a good 2nd line winger on most teams, but he is expendible on ours. And with Connauton, I feel he is also a good prospect that is expendible because of our depth on defense, as well as having other prospects in Corrado and Tanev.

People are overselling Weiss a bit. He's good, but he's been basically a 50+ point player so far in his career with a high of 61 points. Kesler's had two years of 70+ points and Booth, being the other potential linemate, has only had more than 40 once when he had 60 in the same year as Weiss got 61.

Weiss could improve us, no doubt, but he's also a pending UFA who could either walk or demand a raise we can't afford. I don't mind the idea of getting a conditional pick as well, but I'd still rather go after Bjugstad if we had any leverage.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:04 PM

Any deal for Lu should get us a top 6 forward or top 4 D, a top end prospect, and a good pick or another good prospect depending on how good the roster player we get is.

I don't want Weiss, but i'll play ball.

Weiss + Petrovic + conditional 2nd rounder (1st if they make the playoffs)

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Lu + Raymond

Edited by Kulikov, 09 January 2013 - 03:06 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:08 PM

Just curious, did Booth play with Weiss in FLA?

Sedins - Sedins - Burrows
Raymond - Kesler - Higgins
Booth - Weiss - Hansen

If Raymond returns to form.. Holy crap that's a solid top-9. Kesler's line would be one of the best 2-way lines in the NHL.

2A and 2B

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:17 PM

Just curious, did Booth play with Weiss in FLA?

Sedins - Sedins - Burrows
Raymond - Kesler - Higgins
Booth - Weiss - Hansen

If Raymond returns to form.. Holy crap that's a solid top-9. Kesler's line would be one of the best 2-way lines in the NHL.

2A and 2B

I think that leaves out some options for us, but what's with all the A's and Bs we had the last few years. We've had 1A and 1B forward lines, 1A/1B defensive pairs and 1A/1B goalies (which might be the reverse of last year!). We've also had a 3A and 3B bottom 6 and now we're going for a 2A/2B in our top 9?
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:18 PM

IMO Luongo should be able to get the Canucks a top 6 forward, a good prospect, and a good pick. I don't mind the deal, but I feel like people really undervalue Luongo.


This. I'd rather ride Luongo/Schneider.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:26 PM

I think that leaves out some options for us, but what's with all the A's and Bs we had the last few years. We've had 1A and 1B forward lines, 1A/1B defensive pairs and 1A/1B goalies (which might be the reverse of last year!). We've also had a 3A and 3B bottom 6 and now we're going for a 2A/2B in our top 9?


Well, i meant that Kesler's line can become a checking/scoring line and Weiss' line can become the scoring line; however, Kesler's line will still be getting the majority of the minutes. (Because Kesler usually plays against Toews/Kopitar etc etc)
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:29 PM

If it is with Florida something built around Lu and Raymond for Brian Campbell and Shawn Matthias would be great, especially if Edler won't re-sign. It was only last season when he formed quite the dynamic pairing with Garrison, and ever since Ehrhoff left people have been wanting a dynamic D-man. They'd get that here with Brian who put up 53 points last season, plus he can play physically. Matthias would bring physical strength and strong two-way play for the 3rd line role.

If Edler in fact doesn't re-sign I think it'd be smart then to deal him to Philly, maybe for Voracek+ (they had the same amount of points last season). Then figure out what to do with Ballard and his salary if it doesn't fit within the cap (probably to the Islanders in case Visnovsky doesn't come back).

Twins - Burr
Booth - Kesler - Voracek
Higgins - Matthias - Hansen
Manny - Lapierre - Kassian

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Campbell - Garrison
- Tanev

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:34 PM

If Gillis wants to win NOW, he should be looking at Grabovski and Weiss tbh.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:58 PM

Well, i meant that Kesler's line can become a checking/scoring line and Weiss' line can become the scoring line; however, Kesler's line will still be getting the majority of the minutes. (Because Kesler usually plays against Toews/Kopitar etc etc)

However you meant it, to go after Weiss and then put him on the 3rd line when Kesler returns isn't a good option - especially when he might be looking for Kesler money next year. He'll play on the 2nd and one of them will move to the wing.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:31 PM

To start off I know this is super repetitive, but in all honesty this is what GMMG needs to get done in order to get the best deal possible. I believe that the best option for both the Canucks and Roberto is trading him to the Panthers. Everyone knows that he will wave his no-trade clause to go there because of his wife and family have roots down in Florida.

The other teams that are in the mix, like Toronto, I feel just don't have the assets the our team needs right now, which is a second line center - with Kesler being sidelined and all. The players that they are only willing to give up, such as Bozak, Frattin, Ashton, etc. are just not the answer to our offense. We already have guys like Shroeder, Jensen, and Kassian in the mix. As for our defense, I feel that we are already strong enough, and with young guns of Tanev, Connauton, and Corrado, we are fine there.

The other teams, such as Chicago, Edmonton, and Islanders, are simply to the prime trading partners, with Edmonton obviously being in our division. I would only trade Luo to Chicago if they were willing to give us Sharp+ in return, which is most likely just not happening. As for the Islanders, I just don't see Luo wanting to go there, plus they would have to buyout Dipietro's massive contract, and give up a young gun, like Nino Niederreiter, in order to land Luongo.

So my proposal for Florida is something along the lines like this:

To Vancouver:

C Stephen Weiss
2013 1st rounder


To Florida:
G Roberto Luongo
F Mason Raymond
D Kevin Connauton

Be NICE PLEASE, and comment on what you would do differently if you feel this isn't fair!


Get rid of Connaution and Add Petrovic and It's done.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:32 PM

Get rid of Connauton and I'd do it.


Agreed,

Then the line-up would look like:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Weiss-Kassian/Kesler
Higgins-Kesler-Hansen
Manny-Lapierre-Volpatti/Weise

Edler-Garrison
Bieksa-Hamhuis
Ballard-Tanev
Connauton-Alberts
Barker***if he makes team

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:38 PM

This. I'd rather ride Luongo/Schneider.

That's what she said. :bigblush:
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