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#1 nuck luck

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:10 PM

Before I begin...Yes, I know the buyout clause doesn't come into effect until the summer

Regarding trade possibilities:

A trade including the Flyers or Islanders could still happen now! A trade could include a goalie swap straight across....PLUS

Canucks gain

- We would solidify the backup vacancy that would result in breaking up the best tandem in the league.
- We might be able to get a full season out of him, if he was limited to games & Bryz 'might' have just had a bad year
- We could buy the goalie out at the end of the season (yes, it would cost a lot....but we could use this $ for a pick - what's a high round pick worth these days?)
- Both teams have assets that we could use this season
- We have seasoned vets that would be able to control Bryz if he becomes a distraction
- The entertainment value we lose from Lou would be replaced

Flyers gain

- they would buy him out but get nothing in return
- they would save a sh-tload of $
- they would finally get that #1 goalie they've been seeking for years
- Similar lengthy contracts but a little cheaper cap
- Flyers distraction on the team is dealt with
- Isle's finally get a #1 goalie for a full season

I wonder what GMMG could get for a deal that would include this goalie swap? :bigblush:

Another possibility is the big issue that the Flyers have with their D...

We could include Ballard in on the deal and this would help us in our dilemma for the next season:

- This would be a slight savings for us in $, not having to buy Ballard out at the end of the season
- We could get some value out of Ballard instead of losing him for nothing in a buyout.
- A more obvious benefit would be the extra cap space we would have to sign Edler.
- Trading him alone in the summer might have lowered his value...pending on his opportunities given this year

Even though this is a benefit in our favor... the Flyers need a Dman THIS season and we don't have cap or signing issues until the summer. Timing is everything B)

If we include Ballard, I think this might be enough to leave every player on the Flyers roster a possibility....PLUS the picks we get for the money we paid in the buyout. I think Ballard is a great player, but AV hasn't given him a chance and won't. He's getting paid too much for the line that he's on.

And at the end of the season, we will eventually be forced with the same question....Do you want Ballard or Edler? I think this trade favors both teams :towel:
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:22 PM

To VAN
Bryz
Couturier
Coburn

To PHIL
Luongo
Ballard
Raymond

We buy out Bryz and have a stanley cup contending line up.


sedin sedin burrows
booth Kesler Higgins
Hansen Couturier Kassian
Manny Lappy -who the hell cares

Bieksa Hammy
Edler Garrison
Coburn Tanev

Schneider
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

To VAN
Bryz
Couturier
Coburn

To PHIL
Luongo
Ballard
Raymond

We buy out Bryz and have a stanley cup contending line up.


sedin sedin burrows
booth Kesler Higgins
Hansen Couturier Kassian
Manny Lappy -who the hell cares

Bieksa Hammy
Edler Garrison
Coburn Tanev

Schneider

Coburn isn't going anywhere unless Philly gets a D man like Edler in return. Also, why not try to get something for Bryz? I'm sure a team or two might show interest in him.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:53 PM

So I guess your proposal is (it wasn't immediately clear as there wasn't a defined proposal) Lu for Bryz, or Lu for DiPitero. I'm not certain if you're thinking of having more enticing assets in the deal so that we'd want to take on the contracts of goalies who are currently worse than Luongo and that we'd want to buy out in the summer, but as it stands, both ideas are horrible. They'd better be giving us much better assets to sweeten the pot (and I mean MUCH) since that's a major move on our part, but when does it become fair for us and still worth it for them?
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:08 PM

So I guess your proposal is (it wasn't immediately clear as there wasn't a defined proposal) Lu for Bryz, or Lu for DiPitero. I'm not certain if you're thinking of having more enticing assets in the deal so that we'd want to take on the contracts of goalies who are currently worse than Luongo and that we'd want to buy out in the summer, but as it stands, both ideas are horrible. They'd better be giving us much better assets to sweeten the pot (and I mean MUCH) since that's a major move on our part, but when does it become fair for us and still worth it for them?

Agreed, I don't see why the Canucks would be interested this in the slightest unless the have hidden shares in Philly or Long Island.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:42 PM

So I guess your proposal is (it wasn't immediately clear as there wasn't a defined proposal) Lu for Bryz, or Lu for DiPitero. I'm not certain if you're thinking of having more enticing assets in the deal so that we'd want to take on the contracts of goalies who are currently worse than Luongo and that we'd want to buy out in the summer, but as it stands, both ideas are horrible. They'd better be giving us much better assets to sweeten the pot (and I mean MUCH) since that's a major move on our part, but when does it become fair for us and still worth it for them?


I thought the proposal was quite clear.... that's why I bolded and capitalized the "PLUS"

Lu for Bryz or DP plus a quality forward, prospect and high pick.... possibly more? Maybe 2 forwards, prospect and high pick?

Toss in Ballard and we could ask for any player, prospect and high pick? etc. So the question I asked CDC.... what players, prospects and picks either team would be willing to include.

Considering both teams would benefit greatly if we included their keepers in the trade. A lot better than spending huge coin to buy them out and losing them for nothing.... what other team is willing to take on their keepers contracts considering their respective performances? They benefit hugely from this plus they get their #1 keeper...and a desperately needed Dman.

The back up goalie pool is thin and this resolves our issue of having a solid backup for this season.... and the cap savings come with trading Ballard. Not to mention we get a solid young player(s), prospect(s) and pick(s).... I'm just not sure how many of each they would be willing to give up?
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:47 PM

Agreed, I don't see why the Canucks would be interested this in the slightest unless the have hidden shares in Philly or Long Island.


I forgot to add you in the reply.... but why wouldn't we be interested in solidifying our backup position for 1 year (Lack won't be ready this season), having a solid young player on a good contract, deepening our prospect pool and adding a high end pick? Especially with NYI.... I still doubt they could make the playoffs so we would have a chance with picking first in the draft!
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