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#1 Pasific Coluseum

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

I'm still hearing through the grapevine that Ryan Kesler (from his agent Kurt Overhardt's mouth) is unhappy with AV & the Canucks. Still no estimated timetable for his return which is very disconcerting!
With this shortened season & no Kesler and our window dwindling, we need to win the Cup like ASAP!

Due to these reasonings I think it is prudent to ignore the idea of filling our second line center role with unproven experimental players like Ebbet, Shroeder, Lapierre. We desperately need a gamebreaker player who can SCORE.

We have assets to trade. Make a BOLD move Gillis.

Here's a blueprint to a massive blockbuster which will virtually all but guarantee us a Stanley Cup.

Philly
Luongo
Kesler
Shroeder
Edler
Gaunce

Vancouver
Giroux
Hartnell
Leighton
3rd Rounder
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:50 PM

May have been able to pull it off after our cup run, but that ship has sailed.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

  • That's a horrible deal for us. We give up 3 key roster players but get back only 2 significant pieces. We also give up two of our top prospects and get a marginal backup and a 3rd.
  • If you have proof of the rumours you're talking about, that Kesler is unhappy, then feel free to share them.
  • Kesler's NTC kicked in on July 1, 2012, so if we were going to involve him in a deal, it would have been prior to then.
  • No trade, no matter how much better it is than this one, can guarantee us a Cup.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

so is this the year CDC decides to turn on Kesler? I thought Bieksa was still in line in front of him. /sarcasm
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:08 PM



If and that's a big if Ryan is unhappy (what did they tell him he had to pass?) then I would send him with Lou but I wouldn't want to see as big of a blockbuster as your outlining it would just mess with our chemistry, god it's almost half the team you are sending out.

Edited by Nino, 10 January 2013 - 02:12 PM.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

so is this the year CDC decides to turn on Kesler? I thought Bieksa was still in line in front of him. /sarcasm


It's already started, the wheel is just starting to turn.

Once it starts spinning to fast it's impossible to stop.... Just look at Lou.

Edited by Nino, 10 January 2013 - 02:11 PM.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:12 PM

how bout the twins to mtl for kaberle and gomez?
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:14 PM

BS that you keep hearing Kesler is unhappy with management and no one else has.

Terrible proposal btw
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:15 PM

Nah.

Kesler retires a Canuck.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:20 PM

Nah.

Kesler retires a Canuck.


that's my thought. If Injuries don't screw him up long term he's going to be around for a while.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

We get bent over in that deal. The Canucks are trading their future in Schroeder and Gaunce and taking a huge dent out of their core at each position (Luongo, Edler, Kesler) and only adding offense. There's really no reason for Philly to do that deal either. They lose a ton of offense in trading Hartnell and Giroux, which is 2/3 of their top line. Also, they wouldn't take Luongo without at least sending Bryzgalov back.

Sorry, there needs to be more thought put into a potential blockbuster like this than you evidently put in. Not trying to sound harsh or anything.

Kesler + Edler + 1st for Giroux + Coburn sounds more realistic, but even then I wouldn't want to do that. Hank is the Canucks' number 1 centre right now and is one of the top point producers and BEST playmakers in the league. Kesler is a Selke winner and 2-time runner-up and is one of the best 2nd line centres in the league. In short, I like the Canucks' 1-2 punch as it is.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:39 PM

Not. A. Chance.

1. We overpay ludicrously, 3 of our top 5 players + 2 of our top prospects and few bright lights in the cupboard. They won't give up Giroux for anything less but this is rediculous.

2. Kesler is just unhappy with AV IMO, and he loves being here and playing here, the second AV leaves he will 100% fine here, not that I think he is less right now but I think there could be some issue's but I think we are mature enough to work it out for the better, no real problems here. Also Kes now has a NTC.

Overall just terrible.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 10 January 2013 - 02:40 PM.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

It's already started, the wheel is just starting to turn.


Do you mean the Kesler Cart-wheel?
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:00 PM

People who make proposals need to realize a few things:

1) Even if the trade is good for us, that doesn't mean that the other team will do it. It has to be good for them too.
2) Teams don't do trades that result in lateral movement. In other words, there has to be a net benefit. Teams won't do trades to get something they need if it results in a gaping hole somewhere else in the lineup.
3) Blockbuster trades involving multiple stars do not happen. Teams know that certain players are fan favourites and they won't trade them all in one go. The fan base would hate them.
4) This doesn't relate to this proposal, but teams can't trade a whole bunch of mid range players and prospects and picks for one superstar. They might match in value but the team with the superstar can't suddenly take on so much cap, and they likely don't have the roster spots for so many players to go back. Plus the superstar is likely a very popular player who can't be replaced as a person by a bunch of spare parts. This leads to...
5) Teams can't trace a whole bunch of spare parts for a decent player. If you don't want the players, it's likely that the other team doesn't want them either.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:13 PM

So far there has been no for sure source on Kesler being upset with the team. Kesler 100% is a stand out player. I would rather see Kesler stay than go.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:19 PM

Man thats a terrible trade for us.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:24 PM

Wow ! This is getting more ridiculous than I thought possible . The comedy on CDC over the last few days is pure GOLD . Keep'em coming my co-workers are I are rolling in the isles :D
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

You guys saying Vancouver wouldnt do it, why the hell would Philly do it? Giroux and Hartnell are absolutely amazing and the cornerstones of the Flyers.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:39 PM

:picard:
Neither team would even consider this...
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 04:11 PM

Lol
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 05:45 PM

Seriously. Just because you can play be a gm mode, doesn't mean you should start trying to make intelligent real life deals.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:55 PM

hehehe hahahaha this guy is just to funny
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 08:41 PM

Kesler has a NTC in effect...
He'd probably oblige to go to Philly (he signed their offersheet ages ago), but that deal is a franchise killer for Vancouver.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:37 PM

I'm that Ryan Kesler (from his agent Kurt Overhardt's mouth) is unhappy with AV & the Canucks. Still no estimated timetable for his return which is very disconcerting!
With this shortened season & no Kesler and our window dwindling, we need to win the Cup like ASAP!

Due to these reasonings I think it is prudent to ignore the idea of filling our second line center role with unproven experimental players like Ebbet, Shroeder, Lapierre. We desperately need a gamebreaker player who can SCORE.

We have assets to trade. Make a BOLD move Gillis.

Here's a blueprint to a massive blockbuster which will virtually all but guarantee us a Stanley Cup.

Philly
Luongo
Kesler
Shroeder
Edler
Gaunce

Vancouver
Giroux
Hartnell
Leighton
3rd Rounder


I'd also like to hear of this magical grapevine.

This deal is ludicrous and makes no sense for anyone.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:01 PM

A trade like that has never happened because a trade like that is stupid.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:19 PM

I'm still hearing through the grapevine that Ryan Kesler (from his agent Kurt Overhardt's mouth) is unhappy with AV & the Canucks. Still no estimated timetable for his return which is very disconcerting!
With this shortened season & no Kesler and our window dwindling, we need to win the Cup like ASAP!

Due to these reasonings I think it is prudent to ignore the idea of filling our second line center role with unproven experimental players like Ebbet, Shroeder, Lapierre. We desperately need a gamebreaker player who can SCORE.

We have assets to trade. Make a BOLD move Gillis.

Here's a blueprint to a massive blockbuster which will virtually all but guarantee us a Stanley Cup.

Philly
Luongo
Kesler
Shroeder
Edler
Gaunce

Vancouver
Giroux
Hartnell
Leighton
3rd Rounder

Perfect but I doubt it
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:34 PM

I call BS whats to be unhappy about? He gets the most minutes playing time on the team. PP, PK, second line...
Makes no sense.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:39 PM

Maybe you should throw Raymond in there to "sweeten the pot"
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