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#1 Wetcoaster

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:40 PM

So you are out and about in downtown Portland, Oregon and you look up and see two guys walking about with their latest firearm fashion accessories slung over their shoulders.

What do you figure happens?

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Calls started coming in to 911 dispatchers shortly before 2 p.m. Wednesday. Callers said two men with guns strapped to their backs were walking through the area of Southeast Seventh Avenue and Spokane Street in Portland's Sellwood neighborhood.


Officers arrived in the area and contacted both 22-year-old men. They were carrying rifles openly on their backs and were valid concealed handgun license holders in Oregon.


The two men seemed puzzled by the police response:

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And what were they doing. Well just exercising their Second Amendment rights - "Exercising my rights with a rifle to try to decrease the demonizing of peacefully exercising your rights in public" says 22 year old Warren Drouin.

And Warren said he hoped people would approach them and talk to them, instead of calling police.

"What they really should do is observe the person to determine if the person is aggressive," he said of seeing someone with a gun in public. "We're not doing anything threatening to anyone."

Yup definitely my first reaction seeing a couple of rednecks well-strapped with semi-automatic assault weapons and handguns - go up to them and debate the Second Amendment. :sadno:

BTW carrying firearms openly is legal in Oregon and carrying a concealed gun is legal with a valid license.

Officers explained that they were likely to continue generating 911 calls from alarmed people in the area, which would require a police response. Officers reported neither man seemed interested in those concerns.
http://www.kptv.com/...land-to-educate

And after a "Hi y'all" to the local constabulary they continued their walking educational tour...
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:45 PM

Better not go near any movie theaters or schools, lest another Second Amendment exerciser decides to be a hero.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:14 PM

I though this thread was actually going to be about "Second Amendment Education". Instead, it's about 2 more freaking American, redneck bastards walking around the streets of a big city with "legal" weapons. Brazen, freaking bastards... Protected by the 2nd Amendment of 1492 when Napoleon sailed the seas all messed up on glue.

All human beings are born innocent. We have no opinions, affiliations or biases when we leave the womb. Purple, screaming, sh!tting bundles of matter is what we all are.

Once we make contact with our "families" and our "communities", we are taught how to hate. We are taught which values are meaningful. We are taught that carrying semi-automatic rifles and concealed weapons is OK, based on our Constitutional Rights.

Wake the Fu*k up, America! Your society is a global laughing stock. Write a Federal law that abolishes the type of weapons these Clems are carrying on their backs openly in public. I'd love to see firearms banned, but, we all know that's never going to happen. Instead, regulate the arms that are available and penalize those who circumvent any new law agreed upon.

Enough, already.

Edit: Oh, yeah... My wife is "mentally ill". Thank God that she lives in Canada where we have access to resources to help her deal with her illness. Maybe the US should spend less dollars on their military and look at how they can help the mentally ill in their country seeing as how all of these heinous gun crimes have been committed by citizens who are "mentally ill". Excuses...

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:50 AM

the 2nd Amendment of 1492 when Napoleon sailed the seas all messed up on glue.


historical accuracy on display here, kids
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:39 AM

Don't think Napoleon was the one on glue here.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:07 AM

So...do they have the right to scare the crap out of people?

Educate people? That's what they are doing? Kind of like those that go to that Westpro Church?
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:12 AM

BTW carrying firearms openly is legal in Oregon and carrying a concealed gun is legal with a valid license.


So what's the problem? They are'nt breaking the law. I don't remember a law about being scared. Officer arrest those 2 they scared me because they are carrying a legal firearm and not pointing it at anybody.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:41 AM

Well if what they were doing was legal then I don't see the issue.
Should it be legal? Up for debate. But they technically didn't do anything wrong.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:49 AM

I never said it should be legal/illegal or that I agree with it just pointing out what they did is Legal there, the media has just hyped this issue now and scared everyone. Fear sells.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:57 AM

Abortion is legal but that does not stop Right-wing nutcases from killing abortion providers .. irony, meet hypocrisy ..
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:59 AM

I was at my brother's in Ithaca, NY one November helping him set up his auction house and was staying with him at an old farmhouse just outside the city limits. I woke up one morning to the sound rifle shots bouncing off the window panes.......and after my first OMG, remembered it was hunting season so no big deal. I was cautioned about going for a walk off road as there was active hunting taking place in the bush to either side. Okaaaaay........I grew up in Canada, hunted with my Dad.....but this was a little strange.....people shooting along the shoulders of busy roads.......but hey, this was the US....... suck it up, Canadian princess.

What completely threw me, though, was watching 3 guys completely decked out in camouflage gear, military style boots and camo-painted faces) strolling down the middle of the road with fully automatic firearms in shooting position, fingers on triggers. scanning back and forth across the road with said firearms. This was not a road 5, 10, 15+ miles out in the boonies........this was within a 5 minute walk of downtown Ithaca. Needless to say, that was the end of my walks down lovely leaf decorated roads in Ithaca in November.

The approach to firearms in the US scares the hell out of me........it's casual......in a lot of cases, irresponsible,,,,,with a lack of respect for the damage these firearms can do........and the mindset of some is downright terrifying. Hell, driving down the driveway of where I was staying was interesting in that hunters out on the road liked to wave hello with said firearms in hand........

I grew up with firearms in our house.......we were taught to respect what they can do, to treat them with the due diligence and respect they deserve, we were taught that there were instances in which they were to be used and times when they were not. I realized during that trip that there is a completely different mindset between the US and Canada when it comes to the possession of firearms......and I can't say that there is much to recommend the American mindset over ours. In fact, we in Canada have much more proof and facts on our side that automatic weapons have no place in the hands of non-military/police individuals. Unfortunately, that proof means absolutely nothing to those determined to keep fully automatic firearms in the hands of Joe Q Public citing some long out of date document that bears no reality to life today.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:11 AM

Abortion is legal but that does not stop Right-wing nutcases from killing abortion providers .. irony, meet hypocrisy ..


this is funny. one could easily say leftwing nutcases kill more babies in a year than any person with a AR-15. and you're assuming that everybody with a gun is right wing and goes around shooting people. Plenty of Liberals have guns. So in your view if you own a gun you are right wing nutcase and kill abortion providers?

it's confusing keeping up with how to label people correctly these days.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:31 AM

I was at my brother's in Ithaca, NY one November helping him set up his auction house and was staying with him at an old farmhouse just outside the city limits. I woke up one morning to the sound rifle shots bouncing off the window panes.......and after my first OMG, remembered it was hunting season so no big deal. I was cautioned about going for a walk off road as there was active hunting taking place in the bush to either side. Okaaaaay........I grew up in Canada, hunted with my Dad.....but this was a little strange.....people shooting along the shoulders of busy roads.......but hey, this was the US....... suck it up, Canadian princess.

What completely threw me, though, was watching 3 guys completely decked out in camouflage gear, military style boots and camo-painted faces) strolling down the middle of the road with fully automatic firearms in shooting position, fingers on triggers. scanning back and forth across the road with said firearms. This was not a road 5, 10, 15+ miles out in the boonies........this was within a 5 minute walk of downtown Ithaca. Needless to say, that was the end of my walks down lovely leaf decorated roads in Ithaca in November.

The approach to firearms in the US scares the hell out of me........it's casual......in a lot of cases, irresponsible,,,,,with a lack of respect for the damage these firearms can do........and the mindset of some is downright terrifying. Hell, driving down the driveway of where I was staying was interesting in that hunters out on the road liked to wave hello with said firearms in hand........

I grew up with firearms in our house.......we were taught to respect what they can do, to treat them with the due diligence and respect they deserve, we were taught that there were instances in which they were to be used and times when they were not. I realized during that trip that there is a completely different mindset between the US and Canada when it comes to the possession of firearms......and I can't say that there is much to recommend the American mindset over ours. In fact, we in Canada have much more proof and facts on our side that automatic weapons have no place in the hands of non-military/police individuals. Unfortunately, that proof means absolutely nothing to those determined to keep fully automatic firearms in the hands of Joe Q Public citing some long out of date document that bears no reality to life today.


I don't want to throw out the "BS" flag on this, but there are a few things that make me question your story.
1) what year did this take place that you saw the "hunters?"
2) how did you know they were "fully-automatic" weapons without looking at them closely? (sounds to me like you weren't walking with them or chatting with them.. just passing them.)
3) by "camo" are you talking about military type camo or hunting camo (hunting camo involves the bright orange color mixed in.)?
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:40 AM

I don't want to throw out the "BS" flag on this, but there are a few things that make me question your story.
1) what year did this take place that you saw the "hunters?"
2) how did you know they were "fully-automatic" weapons without looking at them closely? (sounds to me like you weren't walking with them or chatting with them.. just passing them.)
3) by "camo" are you talking about military type camo or hunting camo (hunting camo involves the bright orange color mixed in.)?


Don't throw out that BS flag all you like but it doesn't change the facts.......

It was 2005

As has been made clear in previous posts, I am familiar with firearms, I recognized what I saw for exactly what it was, thanks anyway. They were walking toward me and I passed them ....slowly. They said "Good morning", one was middle-aged, one was in their 20s..... commented on it being hunting season......No, haven't seen any deer this morning........didn't ask for their names........anything else you'd like to know? Their addresses? Make of vehicle? Boot size?

At the time I had no idea whether it was legal or not to hunt with automatic firearms in New York state, but I know what I saw.

I know what hunting camo looks like and what they were wearing was not that.

Now, would you like the # of my hunting license, photocopies of my firearm registrations, pictures of the firearms in my possession, the log of the number of gun shows I've been to, the names and photocopies of the certificates for the courses I've taken as well?

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:43 AM

this is funny. one could easily say leftwing nutcases kill more babies in a year than any person with a AR-15. and you're assuming that everybody with a gun is right wing and goes around shooting people. Plenty of Liberals have guns. So in your view if you own a gun you are right wing nutcase and kill abortion providers?

it's confusing keeping up with how to label people correctly these days.


Show me an incident where ANY "lefty" killed an abortion provider .. if you actually followed these threads you would know 1) I am a progressive, pragmatic Liberal .. 2) I have owned and shot all sorts of weapons since 1959 .. 3) I have yet to get caught killing anyone .. 4) at what point does a fetus become a baby? .. when sperm hits egg? .. I guess it is all in the timing ..

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:52 AM

I don't see anything wrong with this if these guys are exercising their rights, and moreover, they were calmly talking to people. If anti-gun nut doesn't like carry and conceal, I'd suggest one of the many places in California that have restrictions upon it like where I used to live in the states, like San Francisco.

I don't want to throw out the "BS" flag on this, but there are a few things that make me question your story.
1) what year did this take place that you saw the "hunters?"
2) how did you know they were "fully-automatic" weapons without looking at them closely? (sounds to me like you weren't walking with them or chatting with them.. just passing them.)
3) by "camo" are you talking about military type camo or hunting camo (hunting camo involves the bright orange color mixed in.)?

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:54 AM

Gotta love made up stories. :lol:


Perhaps you should just stick to writing your own? I know you have extreme difficulty with truth and facts when they don't fit your personal scenarios.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:58 AM

Show me an incident where ANY "lefty" killed an abortion provider .. if you actually followed these threads you would know 1) I am a progressive, pragmatic Liberal .. 2) I have owned and shot all sorts of weapons since 1959 .. 3) I have yet to get caught killing anyone .. 4) at what point does a fetus become a baby? .. when sperm hits egg? .. I guess it is all in the timing ..


About the time when the pin hits the shell........

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:14 PM

Don't throw out that BS flag all you like but it doesn't change the facts.......

It was 2005

As has been made clear in previous posts, I am familiar with firearms, I recognized what I saw for exactly what it was, thanks anyway. They were walking toward me and I passed them ....slowly. They said "Good morning", one was middle-aged, one was in their 20s..... commented on it being hunting season......No, haven't seen any deer this morning........didn't ask for their names........anything else you'd like to know? Their addresses? Make of vehicle? Boot size?

I know what hunting camo looks like and what they were wearing was not that.

Now, would you like the # of my hunting license, photocopies of my firearm registrations, pictures of the firearms in my possession, the log of the number of gun shows I've been to, the names and photocopies of the certificates for the courses I've taken as well?

Don't throw out that BS flag all you like but it doesn't change the facts.......

It was 2005

As has been made clear in previous posts, I am familiar with firearms, I recognized what I saw for exactly what it was, thanks anyway. They were walking toward me and I passed them ....slowly. They said "Good morning", one was middle-aged, one was in their 20s..... commented on it being hunting season......No, haven't seen any deer this morning........didn't ask for their names........anything else you'd like to know? Their addresses? Make of vehicle? Boot size?

I know what hunting camo looks like and what they were wearing was not that.

Now, would you like the # of my hunting license, photocopies of my firearm registrations, pictures of the firearms in my possession, the log of the number of gun shows I've been to, the names and photocopies of the certificates for the courses I've taken as well?


it doesn't change what you are calling "facts" may not be actual facts. Just because you claim it to be "fact" doesn't mean it's fact.. it's just your word that we have to go on.

I asked the questions because;
1) I've never met a hunter who wouldn't be wearing the orange hunting camo... that's just asking to be shot by another hunter by not wearing hunting camo, especially during deer hunting season.
2) I've never heard of a county or city NOT having laws or hunting regulations about how far a person has to be from roads/towns to fire weapons (the only time I've been allowed to shoot a gun within a towns limits was a town of 500 people.. they had 1 stop sign in the entire town... and that was in 1995 with the understanding that where I was firing the gun was on the edge of town and not firing in the direction of town.) And based on your story, sounds like you were within city limits. This is what I found with internet searches...
http://ecode360.com/8390733
City of Ithaca, NY
CHAPTER 219. HUNTING AND FIREARMS

§ 219-1. Discharge restricted.

A. No person shall discharge any firearm, air gun, spring gun, slingshot or other instrument or weapon within the city except in self-defense or in the discharge of official duty or during a memorial service or veteran's funeral or at an indoor rifle range operated under the supervision, guidance and instruction of a duly commissioned officer of one of the Armed Forces, including the National Guard and reserve forces, or a duly qualified adult citizen of the United States who has been granted a certificate as an instructor of small arms practice issued by one of the Armed Forces of the United States, by the Adjutant General of the state or by the National Rifle Association of America, except as hereinafter provided in § 219-2.

B. Except pursuant to the provisions of § 336-22 of Chapter 336, Parks and Recreation, no person shall discharge, fire or use archery equipment of any kind or nature whatsoever upon any public property of the City of Ithaca.

so these hunters were breaking the law if you were within 5 minutes walking distance from "downtown"

3) vast majority of population doesn't understand the difference between a semi-auto and fully auto weapon and just see the gun and assume because it looks "fully auto" it HAS to be fully (no I don't know your experience with guns, I don't keep tabs on every poster here nor their biography.)
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

I don't see anything wrong with this if these guys are exercising their rights, and moreover, they were calmly talking to people. If anti-gun nut doesn't like carry and conceal, I'd suggest one of the many places in California that have restrictions upon it like where I used to live in the states, like San Francisco.


+1

Gotta love made up stories. :lol:


Trolling .. must be tough to troll when the ice is on your slew, eh? ..
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:18 PM

it doesn't change what you are calling "facts" may not be actual facts. Just because you claim it to be "fact" doesn't mean it's fact.. it's just your word that we have to go on.

I asked the questions because;
1) I've never met a hunter who wouldn't be wearing the orange hunting camo... that's just asking to be shot by another hunter by not wearing hunting camo, especially during deer hunting season.
2) I've never heard of a county or city NOT having laws or hunting regulations about how far a person has to be from roads/towns to fire weapons (the only time I've been allowed to shoot a gun within a towns limits was a town of 500 people.. they had 1 stop sign in the entire town... and that was in 1995 with the understanding that where I was firing the gun was on the edge of town and not firing in the direction of town.) And based on your story, sounds like you were within city limits. This is what I found with internet searches...
http://ecode360.com/8390733
City of Ithaca, NY
CHAPTER 219. HUNTING AND FIREARMS

§ 219-1. Discharge restricted.

A. No person shall discharge any firearm, air gun, spring gun, slingshot or other instrument or weapon within the city except in self-defense or in the discharge of official duty or during a memorial service or veteran's funeral or at an indoor rifle range operated under the supervision, guidance and instruction of a duly commissioned officer of one of the Armed Forces, including the National Guard and reserve forces, or a duly qualified adult citizen of the United States who has been granted a certificate as an instructor of small arms practice issued by one of the Armed Forces of the United States, by the Adjutant General of the state or by the National Rifle Association of America, except as hereinafter provided in § 219-2.

B. Except pursuant to the provisions of § 336-22 of Chapter 336, Parks and Recreation, no person shall discharge, fire or use archery equipment of any kind or nature whatsoever upon any public property of the City of Ithaca.

so these hunters were breaking the law if you were within 5 minutes walking distance from "downtown"

3) vast majority of population doesn't understand the difference between a semi-auto and fully auto weapon and just see the gun and assume because it looks "fully auto" it HAS to be fully (no I don't know your experience with guns, I don't keep tabs on every poster here nor their biography.)

But if "facts" were used, it must be factual. :lol:

Someone got caught making up stuff.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:21 PM

I have met hundreds, even thousands, of hunters not wearing any type of bright colored clothing, and many, many wearing camo gear .. their reasoning is you canna shoot what you canna see .. I always used to ask em .. "what about sound shots? .. are you wearing soft soled shoes"?? ..
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:24 PM

But if "facts" were used, it must be factual. :lol:

Someone got caught making up stuff.


Dream on. You really need to work on your reading comprehension, it is sorrowfully lacking. Now as I've said before, be a good little lad and PO&SS.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

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1) So you've never met a hunter who wasn't wearing the orange - well, then, I guess ALL hunters EVERYWHERE must wear it then. Mmm hmm, I must've been a little colourblind that day.........damn that random popping up of colour blindness.

2) Indeed they were in violation of the law........I never said they were, or they weren't.......merely relayed what I saw. And it was being done with impunity without concern or fear of being stopped by law enforcement. A mindset met with all too often when discussing firearms and hunting with a certain segments of the American population.

3) You're correct, the vast majority of people may not recognize the difference, but I do. And I did.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:29 PM

^ ^ ^ .. check ..... and mate .. next? .. :towel:
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:30 PM

I never said it should be legal/illegal or that I agree with it just pointing out what they did is Legal there, the media has just hyped this issue now and scared everyone. Fear sells.

People were scared long before the media reported it.

As the article notes 911 was flooded with calls.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:31 PM

Show me an incident where ANY "lefty" killed an abortion provider .. if you actually followed these threads you would know 1) I am a progressive, pragmatic Liberal .. 2) I have owned and shot all sorts of weapons since 1959 .. 3) I have yet to get caught killing anyone .. 4) at what point does a fetus become a baby? .. when sperm hits egg? .. I guess it is all in the timing ..


1. I was'nt talking about you so don't get all defensive.

2. the lefties killing the babies are the ones getting the abortions.not killing the providers.

3. I'm all for aborting as many babies as possible. just showing howit's just as easy to say something silly like you. and is Abortion Legal everywhere in the states? anyway yes they ARE NUTCASES seems to be theme with people killing other people.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

this is funny. one could easily say leftwing nutcases kill more babies in a year than any person with a AR-15. and you're assuming that everybody with a gun is right wing and goes around shooting people. Plenty of Liberals have guns. So in your view if you own a gun you are right wing nutcase and kill abortion providers?

it's confusing keeping up with how to label people correctly these days.

One could say that but it would be incorrect. We are talking about aborting fetuses not killing persons.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:34 PM

People were scared long before the media reported it.

As the article notes 911 was flooded with calls.



the overall reporting and coverage by the media in general lately not just the report on this one case. Of course they were flooded with calls because for last month every talkshow radio show news show is talking about it.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:35 PM

One could say that but it would be incorrect. We are talking about aborting fetuses not killing persons.


Well some people differ on that. just saying. again abort everyone for all I care.
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