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#1 yete

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:53 PM

heres a look at raymonds stats

09-10 he was a 25 goal scorer with 53 points

10-11 the decline began a whopping 39 points

and the bigger shocker last year he ended the season with 20 points in 50 games


I understand mason raymonds not loved by many....... but Gillis and the Canuck management has kept him?

my question to you what do they see in him?? Im guessing the canucks management beleives this guy can put up 50 points easily or else they would have not kept him...........

I believe its do or die for raymond with the kesler injury he will get his ice-time and he pretty much has to put up big numbers.........

personally i believe raymond has the speed and should change his game up to a 2 way forward .........

what do you think raymond can do to improve his game?(Lets be honest is there belief in your heart that raymond can get back to 25 goals) also does anyone know if he did any special off training with gary roberts this off-season??
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:55 PM

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:55 PM

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:05 AM

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA The guy can't get anywhere near that kind of production with a full 82 game season. If anyone thinks he can get there in half as many games as usual, he/she is out of his/her mind. Raymond is a joke and should've been traded or put on waivers long ago to free up as much money as possible to sign any number of better free agents.

Edited by PrimeMinisterBure, 11 January 2013 - 12:07 AM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:06 AM

I, like most everyone else, didn't want him resigned.  BUT I think most people tend to forget the severity of his injury.  especially since the LA series.  he got dominated and looked intimidated.  All the ability is there and hopefully now he is more comfortable on the ice.  I can definitely see him putting up more points than last season(with about the same amount of games).  I think with the right opportunity and if he can get his confidence and game under control early on, he can put up 30-35 points this season.  I'd be happy with that.. oh and as for the title, no not this season. I'm sayin with a decent year this year, he could spring back into that form with a full season next year.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:07 AM

I don't know if it is the year but I expect improvement, I don't see anyway he can possibly be worse than he was last year, if the coaching staff can put his game back on the tracks I think he will be fine, he has too much skill and speed to be so bad again.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:09 AM

Man I hope so, if Raymond could score 25 this season he could be in the race for the rocket richard. That would be some turn around.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:10 AM

If Raymond and Booth stay in the top 6. Raymond will definitely hit 25.
Back when Grabs was on a line with Raymond and Kesler they were really exciting to watch, tons of shots.
I expect a similar result but Booth is better than Grabs and Raymond is older.

Edited by playboi19, 11 January 2013 - 12:12 AM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:11 AM

Ah MayRay the perennial whipping boy of CDC. I love the kid but he needs to gain confidence or learn savage intent. He has neither . Still it would be so awesome if he has 20-25 goals this year. That would be a huge bonus for the team. We can only hope it happens.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:12 AM

Raymond is probably the worst player on the team. NO.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:16 AM

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Raymond won't likely have the top 6 opportunity he'd had previously, so he'll be used more in spot duty. Considering that, it would be hard for Raymond to score 25 goals in a regular year.

But this isn't a regular year...

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:17 AM

This hasn't been discussed before...
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:18 AM

Raymond's game has been transformed.

He has become a 3rd line checker that can occassionally produce a goal or two here and there.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:21 AM

I hate him as a player and I dont' feel like he deserves to be on this team. But, if this was a 82 game season, and Kesler's out for so long, SOMEONE has to score other than Sedins, and chances are, he MIGHT get 25. But with a shortened season, I'd be happy if he gets 4.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:21 AM

Im bettin he will have a 20+ goal pace.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:24 AM

Is this the year where people stop making stupid threads? I guess not....
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:28 AM

25 G in a 48 game season? I think there will only be ~10 guys that can manage that, Raymond not being one. If you mean on pace for 25, then hell no.

The real question should be: can Raymond manage to not fall down 25 times in the first 5 games? I'd bet against.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:31 AM

To my recollection, the first problem with Raymond was the thumb injury he received back in December 2010(?). His shot hasn't quite been the same since that time. If he has somehow been able to correct this problem then he might well break the 20 goal mark.

Otherwise, I suspect he will either be traded at the deadline (if not sooner) or be allowed to walk as a UFA.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:31 AM

Raymond's game has been transformed.

He has become a 3rd line checker that can occassionally produce a goal or two here and there.


Really? a 3rd line checker? I think he will need to work more on his checking to fill that role Lol.

I think it is either an offensive 2nd/3rd liner or else and offensive depth player, he isn't in the NHL for his checking he is here cause of his offensive ability, and he needs to show he has that offensive ability once again.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:36 AM

25 G in a 48 game season? I think there will only be ~10 guys that can manage that, Raymond not being one. If you mean on pace for 25, then hell no.

The real question should be: can Raymond manage to not fall down 25 times in the first 5 games? I'd bet against.


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If he regained some core strength I cant see why he wont be BACK on track
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:37 AM

I'll be happy if he can put up 25 points this year.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:43 AM

Really? a 3rd line checker? I think he will need to work more on his checking to fill that role Lol.

I think it is either an offensive 2nd/3rd liner or else and offensive depth player, he isn't in the NHL for his checking he is here cause of his offensive ability, and he needs to show he has that offensive ability once again.


There are a lot of reasons to bash Raymond on the offensive side of the puck but improving his checking and defensive awareness is an area where I feel he does not get the credit he deserves.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:47 AM

Really? a 3rd line checker? I think he will need to work more on his checking to fill that role Lol.

I think it is either an offensive 2nd/3rd liner or else and offensive depth player, he isn't in the NHL for his checking he is here cause of his offensive ability, and he needs to show he has that offensive ability once again.


His speed allows him to get back into the play on the back check, and not only that, get between his net and puck. He does this alot. Raymond's game has changed. Watch for it.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:50 AM

I think he will have a good season.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:58 AM

There are a lot of reasons to bash Raymond on the offensive side of the puck but improving his checking and defensive awareness is an area where I feel he does not get the credit he deserves.


We did discuss this before, I think he uses his speed well to his advantage, and he as decent defensive awareness in terms of where to be I still don't still him ever staying in the league for defensive ability, he doesn't block shots, makes bad plays with the puck.

Offensively he is going to have to use his natural skill in a better way or else he won't be with our team long.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:00 AM

His speed allows him to get back into the play on the back check, and not only that, get between his net and puck. He does this alot. Raymond's game has changed. Watch for it.


His speed is the best/only real good thing about his defensive game, either than that he isn't much of a defensive player, his biggest mark in the league will be contributing offensively, and hopefully he can do that we need his offense.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:25 AM

To my recollection, the first problem with Raymond was the thumb injury he received back in December 2010(?). His shot hasn't quite been the same since that time. If he has somehow been able to correct this problem then he might well break the 20 goal mark.

Otherwise, I suspect he will either be traded at the deadline (if not sooner) or be allowed to walk as a UFA.

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I'm fairly certain it was a sprained wrist followed by a shoulder injury. Yet even with those shot affecting injuries his even strength points remained quite similar to the 09/10 season. The real drop in production came on the PP which should have been expected with Kesler being moved to the 1st PP Malhotra (a 30 point center) filled in on the 2nd PP. Also with the success the first unit enjoyed the Raymonds PP time dropped by 1/3 from the previous year. Combined everybody should have expected a drop in production that year. Samuelssons production also dropped. Although he made up some ground being moved to the first unit to play point after Edler hurt his back. I've maintained all along Raymonds 10/11 season was no where near as bad as most made out.

I'm willing to give him a mulligan on his 11/12 season due to the nature of the injury he came back from.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:30 AM

His speed is the best/only real good thing about his defensive game, either than that he isn't much of a defensive player, his biggest mark in the league will be contributing offensively, and hopefully he can do that we need his offense.


You know, you don't actually have to be a physical player to be an effective checker/defensive player.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:45 AM

We did discuss this before, I think he uses his speed well to his advantage, and he as decent defensive awareness in terms of where to be I still don't still him ever staying in the league for defensive ability, he doesn't block shots, makes bad plays with the puck.

Offensively he is going to have to use his natural skill in a better way or else he won't be with our team long.

His speed is the best/only real good thing about his defensive game, either than that he isn't much of a defensive player, his biggest mark in the league will be contributing offensively, and hopefully he can do that we need his offense.


I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with the assertion that speed is the only thing going for him defensively. He has dramatically improved his awareness and positioning. Sure his speed gets him back in a hurry but he has made strides in knowing what to do once he gets back too.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he averaged about a minute per game on the PK and was on the ice for 1 PPGA all year. If that is correct I think that says a lot about his improvement defensively.

Can he survive on this team as a defensive specialist? Probably not. He does need to bring some offense to the table. But just because he is not physical does not mean he is not effective defensively.

And I agree somewhat with Baggins that he has not been as bad offensively as it seems if you really drill down into the numbers. Circumstance has played a role especially with PP time and opportunity. Not to mention his confidence level and the way guys around him played as well.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:55 AM

You know, you don't actually have to be a physical player to be an effective checker/defensive player.


I know, but he isn't exactly a defensive ace, he does make bad plays, and he doesn't block shots. Other than speed and positioning I'm not sure exactly what makes him so great defensively.
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