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#1 Nuxfanabroad

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 05:44 AM

To Van: Couturier, Simmonds, Coburn, 1st 2014(if Edler signs), Bryzgalov

To Philly: Luongo, Edler, Raymond, Sauve, 2nd rounder

Essentially Canucks clean up here because we have to pay for their mistake in the summer(buyout Bryz).

-we'd be set for a generation, competitive 5~10 yrs, at least.

-team would be tougher, built for PO's. Especially at D.

-Simmonds is under 2 mill cap. Next yr his 6 yr/4 mill deal kicks in. We'd have to move Booth/Ballard for cap space, by next season.

-There'd be no need to rush Kesler.

Why Philly might consider?

-Bryz pressers are likely pushing them to the edge.

-Net yr's cap will be a b!tch(think Pronger's cap hit is incl)

**note** Switch the Schenn bros for Couturier & Coburn, is doable.

An expensive notion, but the Aquilini's could end up with a potential dynasty.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:05 AM

so we trade Luongo to get more of a cap hit in Bryzgalov?
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:56 AM

more realistic would be loungo hansen edler for couturier coburn 1st
couturier is a stud would take alot to get him
phili could always trade bryz somewhere else but vancouver grabbing him makes no sense

sedin sedin kesler
burrows couturier booth
would be nice top six
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:57 AM

This is actually a fairly good idea, I like this, I wouldn't mind having this trade go through.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:59 AM

so we trade Luongo to get more of a cap hit in Bryzgalov?


Taking Bryzgalov you're helping their cause which would make this trade look better to them in their eyes. we're not taking him because we think he's good and we need him. We'll just play him for the season when Schneider needs rest and if he does poorly we can buy him out. Taking Bryzgalov just makes it look better for them and take off some cap for them too, it's not too big of a deal because we can buy out next season.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:36 AM

Trading Lu, and getting Bryz back makes no sense.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:40 AM

If Philly wants to get rid of Bryz, why don't they just trade him to the Islanders for DiPietro+? Maybe they get another young player (DeHaan or Wishart may be enough, or more) and they get DiPietro back as a buyout option themselves since they're a financially rich franchise. The bonus of DiPietro's contract versus Bryz's? He has a matching salary and cap hit, so there's no penalty if he retires early for the cap hit being less than the actual salary paid in a given year.

I realize that doesn't fix their goaltending (would be quite lucky to have DiPietro actually work out) but then they could make a trade for someone like Luongo without having to give up extra just to get him and have us take Bryz's contract back. That's why all these deals for us being the saviour of some team by taking back their bad contracts (on players we don't want), because all those teams would have other options where they don't have to give up players they don't want to just to get rid of the ones they don't.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:29 AM

I don't think Philly would do it. This doesn't really address their problem on defence. They would probably want Ballard or even Tanev involved (or to have Coburn removed completely), which would leave our defense as:

Hamhuis Bieksa
Garrison Coburn
Tanev/Ballard Alberts
Connauton

Definitely not a strong point...

We might be able to flip Bryz to a team like TO for a bottom pairing guy like Komisarek.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:35 AM

To Van: Couturier, Simmonds, Coburn, 1st 2014(if Edler signs), Bryzgalov

To Philly: Luongo, Edler, Raymond, Sauve, 2nd rounder

Essentially Canucks clean up here because we have to pay for their mistake in the summer(buyout Bryz).

-we'd be set for a generation, competitive 5~10 yrs, at least.

-team would be tougher, built for PO's. Especially at D.

-Simmonds is under 2 mill cap. Next yr his 6 yr/4 mill deal kicks in. We'd have to move Booth/Ballard for cap space, by next season.

-There'd be no need to rush Kesler.

Why Philly might consider?

-Bryz pressers are likely pushing them to the edge.

-Net yr's cap will be a b!tch(think Pronger's cap hit is incl)

**note** Switch the Schenn bros for Couturier & Coburn, is doable.

An expensive notion, but the Aquilini's could end up with a potential dynasty.

Cant have Bryz period
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:43 AM

I Philly wants to get rid of Bryz, why don't they just trade him to the Islanders for DiPietro+? Maybe they get another young player (DeHaan or Wishart may be enough, or more) and they get DiPietro back as a buyout option themselves since they're a financially rich franchise. The bonus of DiPietro's contract versus Bryz's? He has a matching salary and cap hit, so there's no penalty if he retires early for the cap hit being less than the actual salary paid in a given year.

I realize that doesn't fix their goaltending (would be quite lucky to have DiPietro actually work out) but then they could make a trade for someone like Luongo without having to give up extra just to get him and have us take Bryz's contract back. That's why all these deals for us being the saviour of some team by taking back their bad contracts (on players we don't want), because all those teams would have other options where they don't have to give up players they don't want to just to get rid of the ones they don't.


hell no cuz bryz is much better than dipietro

to compare two goalies:

bryz
-high cap
- some skills
- humorous interview skills

dipietro
-high cap
-not much skill
-don't know about interview
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:47 AM

Philly wouldn't do it. Both Couturier and Simmonds are highly coveted by the Flyers. Also, Philly is a very rich franchise too who over the years have shown that they do not hesitate. If Bryz does not bounce back they will simply buy him out and trade less than this proposal for another goalie.

If Philly can fix their D Bryzgalov will also be much better. Mark my words.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:48 AM

what i think is that philly might buy out bryz and then trade young, offensive assets or defensive assets for luongo

philly prolly has enough money to do so
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:06 AM

I'd do it, I would even keep Bryz this year to backup schnieds and buy him out in the summer. Although there is probably zero chance of this specific trade actually happening I can see the framework here for something based on this propsal.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:09 AM

I'd do it, I would even keep Bryz this year to backup schnieds and buy him out in the summer. Although there is probably zero chance of this specific trade actually happening I can see the framework here for something based on this propsal.

i agree trades unlikely to happen cuz by getting bryz you dont get much asset in return as you might from tor
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

If Edler and Gillis can't come to terms a 3-way with another team makes more sense IMO. Something like:

Luongo to TO for Gardiner+Reimer

and

Edler to Phi for Courtourier + ?

Those trades would require a little evening out, but it seems like an easier path to me.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:51 PM

Admittedly, this would be a dream-trade for us-so yeah, it's unlikely. This buyout-thing is a two-shot, likely, one-time only opportunity or teams who can take advantage. With the huge profit the Aquilini's have already realized in the Canucks, they may be willing to invest 25-30 mill(over 6 or 7 yrs), to watch this club's value keep skyrocketing. Question is, if 25 mill could get your club depth in size/youth, and/or excellence in prospects, do you do it? If you're a struggling smaller US market, I'd say very unlikely. But for Cdn markets, especially those trending upwards(Van/Ott), it's wise leveraging of your strong market.

Philly's problem snowballs next year. Because of the decreasing cap, & Pronger's 5 mill on the books. I'd speculate they may even have to buy out Briere, or trade him for avg picks. They must remember how imposing Luongo was on the Cats, even with a threadbare defense. They see his pr & leadership skills, & how it contrasts with their current-maniac in the crease.

They need youth(entry contracts), & to balance out their roster. Similar to TBay of recent years, a few stars, but lotsa holes-hit & miss, may get hot, or entirely crash, & miss po's. They'll need a few young guys to develop quicky to their full projections.

I say they might look at this, based on their upcoming problems, (contemplated over a thermos of lemon tea). Heck, throw Schroeder into our package!(instead of our pick). Luongo, Edler, Raymond, Sauve, Shreds...This would all become cheaper going forward(so they can keep SOME current stars, Giroux, Harts, Voracek, et al); cheaper for this set of youth, than the haul they send west.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:39 PM

I still fail to understand. Philly wouldn't trade Couturier for Weber, but people think they'd do it for this?
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

Taking Bryzgalov you're helping their cause which would make this trade look better to them in their eyes. we're not taking him because we think he's good and we need him. We'll just play him for the season when Schneider needs rest and if he does poorly we can buy him out. Taking Bryzgalov just makes it look better for them and take off some cap for them too, it's not too big of a deal because we can buy out next season.

even so, buying out bryz will give us cap hit for years down the road, which doesn't help our team now, or in the future.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

Zealot-the amnesty thing has NO Cap-hit-nadda...diddly, none...as in ZERO! hence this whole proposal. Peace
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:23 PM

We wouldn't have to take on Bryz. I'm sure they could dump him on some team and get a return (Toronto,Tampa etc.)
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:36 PM

more realistic would be loungo hansen edler for couturier coburn 1st
couturier is a stud would take alot to get him
phili could always trade bryz somewhere else but vancouver grabbing him makes no sense

sedin sedin kesler
burrows couturier booth
would be nice top six


Canucks overpay by a mile imo.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:38 PM

more realistic would be loungo hansen edler for couturier coburn 1st
couturier is a stud would take alot to get him
phili could always trade bryz somewhere else but vancouver grabbing him makes no sense

sedin sedin kesler
burrows couturier booth
would be nice top six


Canucks overpay/
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:08 PM

Philly takes step backwards with this. I can't see them giving up their prized youth like that.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:32 PM

Typical Canucks fan trades.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:43 PM

Typical Canucks fan trades.


You could say that about the Leafs too

Typical Leafs GM trades

At least ours are fan trades and not the slightest bit real
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:09 PM

You could say that about the Leafs too

Typical Leafs GM trades

At least ours are fan trades and not the slightest bit real


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:11 PM

Go back into retirement Mr. Favre.


Ok boss

Don't forget this though -

To Toronto - Phil Kessel

To Boston - Tyler Seguin, Dougie Hamilton, Jared Knight

Looooooooool.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:12 PM

Ok boss

Don't forget this though -

To Toronto - Phil Kessel

To Boston - Tyler Seguin, Dougie Hamilton, Jared Knight

Looooooooool.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:13 PM

Ok boss

Don't forget this though -

To Toronto - Phil Kessel

To Boston - Tyler Seguin, Dougie Hamilton, Jared Knight

Looooooooool.


Go back into retirement.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:22 PM

If Edler and Gillis can't come to terms a 3-way with another team makes more sense IMO. Something like:

Luongo to TO for Gardiner+Reimer

and

Edler to Phi for Courtourier + ?

Those trades would require a little evening out, but it seems like an easier path to me.


I think that's a very realistic pair of deals - although I want more out of the Leafs than the overhyped Gardiner and Reimer - if they added Frattin or Biggs, I might take take it, particularly if you swing the second part of that deal. Again, I absolutely want Couturier as much as any young center out there, but I think Edler has more value than the young player - I'd want another asset from Philly, but I think you're on the very realistic, high possibility track there.

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