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#61 n00bxQb

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:07 AM

Great, let us trade one of our top d-men, our top prospect and a 1st round pick for someone who will play on the third line.

Benn would EASILY replace either Hansen or Higgins on the second line.

Not to mention Benn is horrendous at faceoffs, so why you would play him at center unless it was as a last resort is just baffling.

In reality, Benn would be on the 2nd line in that case, although Benn's a shoot first guy ... and Kesler's a shoot first guy ... and Booth is a shoot first guy ... Haven't we been down this road before?

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:36 AM

I wouldn't trade for Benn, considering Perry is going to be a UFA this summer and trade Luongo for D prospects.

In the summer trade Booth and Ballard, even though I like Ballard his cap hit is too high.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:12 PM

3way trade van dal phi

To dallas
Courtrier
2nd pick phi
Raymond

To phi
Luongo

To van
Benn

i like!
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:19 PM

Not to mention Benn is horrendous at faceoffs, so why you would play him at center unless it was as a last resort is just baffling.

In reality, Benn would be on the 2nd line in that case, although Benn's a shoot first guy ... and Kesler's a shoot first guy ... and Booth is a shoot first guy ... Haven't we been down this road before?


Honestly, I think it's time to move Burr to the second line and let him be more of an all around impact player than he is with the twins. In this case, assuming Lu and RayRay would be moved (3way deal or not)

Sedin Sedin Benn
Booth Kes Burr
Higgins Lappy Hansen
Volpatti Manny Kassian
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:51 PM

Are you kidding me? Benn on the 3rd line? Do you know who he is? If he was on our team, he would be a 1st liner or at least a 2nd liner.

Benn would go good with the Sedins or at least a 2nd line role
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:56 PM

It's a good top six, but I wouldn't say contending top 6.

how about a old top six
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 04:26 PM

If I was Dallas, the only way Benn is leaving, is if I got a young top 6 forward and a top 2 dman back. Dallas has two 40 year olds playing in their top 6. So unless you want to give up Kesler and Edler for Benn, and a duster or pick. Then don't expect him to come here.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:17 PM

3way trade van dal phi

To dallas
Courtrier
2nd pick phi
Raymond

To phi
Luongo

To van
Benn


hmmm...
how about this instead..

To Philly:
Luongo + Raymond + draft pick(?)

To Vancouver:
Sean Courtier


To Dallas:
Kesler

To Vancouver:
Jamie Benn
______________

That would give us a tougher and younger Stanley Cup winning second line.
Booth - Benn - Courtrier

Edited by Thumbs_up_Jesus, 14 January 2013 - 05:23 PM.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:52 PM

Couturier is a centre.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:15 PM

I don't think you can trade for a guy that isn't under contract. Dallas don't have a contract with him, hence he is not at training camp. Dallas will sign him if at all possible. If not , we could sign him and pay Dallas a host of draft picks depending on how much we pay. I think that is how it works. Would be nice to get him, but not realistic much.

Just so you know the CBA doesn't go by whatever it is you make up in your fantasy world. RFAs without a contract can totally be traded
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:40 PM

I don't think you can trade for a guy that isn't under contract. Dallas don't have a contract with him, hence he is not at training camp. Dallas will sign him if at all possible. If not , we could sign him and pay Dallas a host of draft picks depending on how much we pay. I think that is how it works. Would be nice to get him, but not realistic much.


Easily overcome. Benn doesnt seem to want to sign with dallas...Canucks offer something credible....Benn signs with dallas with the idea that he's being traded to vancouver. Vancouver assumes the contract.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:54 PM

hmmm...
how about this instead..

To Philly:
Luongo + Raymond + draft pick(?)

To Vancouver:
Sean CourtierI


To Dallas:
Kesler

To Vancouver:
Jamie Benn
______________

That would give us a tougher and younger Stanley Cup winning second line.
Booth - Benn - Courtrier



Nah i rather see BOOTH KESLER BENN
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:58 PM

I wouldn't be against trading Kesler for Benn. As much as I like Kes, I think Benn would be better
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:00 PM

Hansen would have to be part of package if you guys want Benn.

We would need to send back a good forward.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:07 PM

Edler and a first for Benn.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:17 PM

I want Benn so badly on this team..

EDLER FOR BENN!!!
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:20 PM

I would love it if Gillis could some how pry Benn out of Dallas, but i dont think Nieuwendyk would
be willing to move him unless he recieves an offer he can't refuse.

I think Nieuwendyk would want Edler + Hansen in a deal for Benn, if he were to do a deal
with Vancouver.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:23 PM

I would love it if Gillis could some how pry Benn out of Dallas, but i dont think Nieuwendyk would
be willing to move him unless he recieves an offer he can't refuse.

I think Nieuwendyk would want Edler + Hansen in a deal for Benn, if he were to do a deal
with Vancouver.


I'd do it.

if Raymond has a bounce back year he could probably replace Hansen
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:34 PM

I would love it if Gillis could some how pry Benn out of Dallas, but i dont think Nieuwendyk would
be willing to move him unless he recieves an offer he can't refuse.

I think Nieuwendyk would want Edler + Hansen in a deal for Benn, if he were to do a deal
with Vancouver.

I wouldn't mind this. It would sting to see Hansen go but I'm sure Benn will make us forget about him very quickly.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:57 PM

I'd do it.

if Raymond has a bounce back year he could probably replace Hansen


I'm not sure if i would do this deal or not. Hansen brings a lot more to the table
then Raymond at this point. There is no telling if Raymond can regain his
form from a couple of seasons ago. I think his back injury may have crippled
his style of play for the remainder of his career.

I wouldn't mind this. It would sting to see Hansen go but I'm sure Benn will make us forget about him very quickly.


I would'nt mind Benn in a Canucks jersey as well, but the intangibles that Hansen
brings to the team will be hard to replace.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:31 PM

Nah i rather see BOOTH KESLER BENN


3 shoot-first Powerforwards? No way that turns out well. Rather see Sedin-Sedin-Benn and Booth-Kesler-Burrows.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:33 PM

This is usually the case when there is no freakin contract

I think I saw Ekland or Hockey Insider say

PK for Benn?!

Wow how creative, such insiders,
how do they know so much?
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:32 PM

Why does Toronto think they are going to get both Perry and Getzlaf this off season? They're going to want to go to a contender not pretender. Yet I doubt they come here. Ben would be a nice addition to the squad.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:05 AM

The value of an Edler and Hansen for Benn trade is actually close to fair. The thing I am not entirely sure about, is what Dallas needs in terms of assets that will help their team since they are not rebuilding. The other intangible, is how many teams would be interested in aquiring a Benn type player, who needs a big raise, and still be able to fit him in under the new cap next year. If any other teams can afford it salary and asset wise, that will drive up the bid from Edler + Hansen to that + something else we might not want to part with in addition.

Also, how happy would Dallas really be to move an unsigned player in Benn, for another unsigned player in Edler?

Benn with the Sedins would rock, since Kes Burr and whoever else would make a great 2nd line again. Personally, without knowing what it is we get back in any goalie trade, I would hesitate to ship Edler IF he really wants to stay in Vancouver for a fair price.If he doesn't, for whatever reasons, then that just forces the future goalie trade to evolve into aquiring a solid Dman instead of scoring forward.

Now, of the teams we might think want a goalie, who might those Dmen be?

Edited by Green Building, 15 January 2013 - 12:19 AM.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:21 AM

If Benn doesnt want to re-sign, Nieuwendyk doesnt have much leverage in negotiations.

This situation reminds me of the Kyle Turris trade. Although Benn is the better player, I dont think the price for him is sky high considering that he doesnt have a contract.

I dont like the proposal with Hansen in it, he's one of the best 3rd line checker in the game. But if they insist he has to be in it for the trade to be accepted then do it lol.

If Im MG, i'd offer this to Dallas and see if they bite.

Mason Raymond + Alex Edler + Jordan Schroeder

For

Jamie Benn + Reilly Smith
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:24 AM

Why does Toronto think they are going to get both Perry and Getzlaf this off season? They're going to want to go to a contender not pretender. Yet I doubt they come here. Ben would be a nice addition to the squad.


If Toronto had a goalie (Luongo), improved their bottom 6 and added Perry + Getzlaf. They COULD have a shot at the cup.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:31 AM

I'd be ok with Edler plus a throw in or two for Benn. Then trade Lu for Kadri and Franson. Benn could play centre till Kesler is back. I wouldn't want the main component of the Lu trade being Bozak considering he would be a potential rental.

Lines (assuming Raymond is gone and Kesler is back)

Sedins - Benn
Booth Kesler Burrows
Higgins Lappiere Kassian
Weise Manny Hansen

Have a hard time figuring out where Kadri fits into the lineup, but usually there's at least one injury at forward.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:32 AM

If Benn doesnt want to re-sign, Nieuwendyk doesnt have much leverage in negotiations.

This situation reminds me of the Kyle Turris trade. Although Benn is the better player, I dont think the price for him is sky high considering that he doesnt have a contract.

I dont like the proposal with Hansen in it, he's one of the best 3rd line checker in the game. But if they insist he has to be in it for the trade to be accepted then do it lol.

If Im MG, i'd offer this to Dallas and see if they bite.

Mason Raymond + Alex Edler + Jordan Schroeder

For

Jamie Benn + Reilly Smith


I see one difference between the Turris trade, and any potential Benn trade. Benn is slightly more proven as a forward than Turris was.

You're right about the contract thing, which is why I though it fair for an Edler swap, with Hansen as well. I'm not advocating moving Hansen either, he is a massive part of the 3rd line that would not be easily replaced, but Dallas would probably want at least those 2 parts to consider moving Benn anywhere. Come to think of it, I wonder how the value would be for this trade if both Edler and Benn were already under fair contracts...
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:37 AM

I'd be ok with Edler plus a throw in or two for Benn. Then trade Lu for Kadri and Franson. Benn could play centre till Kesler is back. I wouldn't want the main component of the Lu trade being Bozak considering he would be a potential rental.

Lines (assuming Raymond is gone and Kesler is back)

Sedins - Benn
Booth Kesler Burrows
Higgins Lappiere Kassian
Weise Manny Hansen

Have a hard time figuring out where Kadri fits into the lineup, but usually there's at least one injury at forward.


Not to turn this into a Lou thread, but I really don't see where Kadri would fit in either. Which is why for months now, I have been hoping that we do not move him to Toronto. I'm not interested in turning this into a Toronto bashing tangent either, but I only want from the Leafs what Nonis won't pay. I must admit though, since I don't watch many Leafs games, I can't fully assess Kadri, Bozak and such. They just seem, in my limited observance, to be mediocre return for an all star goalie.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:53 AM

I see one difference between the Turris trade, and any potential Benn trade. Benn is slightly more proven as a forward than Turris was.

You're right about the contract thing, which is why I though it fair for an Edler swap, with Hansen as well. I'm not advocating moving Hansen either, he is a massive part of the 3rd line that would not be easily replaced, but Dallas would probably want at least those 2 parts to consider moving Benn anywhere. Come to think of it, I wonder how the value would be for this trade if both Edler and Benn were already under fair contracts...


I think MG is the one thats going to be dictating who we add to the package because of the contract thing i pointed out.
I would avoid the name Hansen in the discussion lol, pump up Raymond's tires and thats why I added Schroeder in there as a 'thank you' freebie.
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