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Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:00 AM

just out of curiosity, how long can a player sit as a RFA without a contract? is it the same as going from RFA to UFA at the age of 27?
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:45 AM

If Benn doesnt want to re-sign, Nieuwendyk doesnt have much leverage in negotiations.

This situation reminds me of the Kyle Turris trade. Although Benn is the better player, I dont think the price for him is sky high considering that he doesnt have a contract.

I dont like the proposal with Hansen in it, he's one of the best 3rd line checker in the game. But if they insist he has to be in it for the trade to be accepted then do it lol.

If Im MG, i'd offer this to Dallas and see if they bite.

Mason Raymond + Alex Edler + Jordan Schroeder

For

Jamie Benn + Reilly Smith


If Benn were available 28 other teams would beat that offer. That's where Dallas would have leverage. You're offering two pending ufa's, both with a history of serious injury, and an undersized forward prospect who may never be a full time nhler. You think that's going to land you one of the top young stars in the league?
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:56 AM

No Nash. No Weber. And there will be no Benn.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:51 AM

what people in this thread dont seem to get is that IF benn were available there would be a crazy amount of teams interested. in other words it would take a huge overpayment ( i.e. an offer that dallas cannot turn down ) to even their attention. lets look at the names being thrown out in this thread:

Kesler: was a 40 goal, selke winner two years ago. however an off season last year coupled with the fact that he is starting to become a very injury proned player has seriously lowered his value. add in that he wont be able to start the season on time and dallas is telling you, that they want more.

Edler: after another good season seeing edler put up 40+ points it would seem that edlers stock is on the rise. however his back issues over that last few years may have dallas worried that he'll be a severly injury proned player. add in that hes a pending UFA and edlers stock is nowhere near his actual value. dallas will tell you they want more.

i guess my point is that if vancouver is serious about getting benn then they need to throw an offer out there that will be tough to beat.

my offer would be: kesler + edler + schoerder + raymond

i know thats a lot for canucks fans to accept but that is what i truly think its going to take. when you think about it that is one offer that is both hard to ignore if your dallas and hard to beat if your another interested team

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:34 AM

southpop45 that is a massive overpayment-are you trying to aquire Weber??

Sure 29 other teams are interested, but which of those 29 teams can offer a 50 point D man who is 26 and at a cap hit of <3.5mill....
not many teams.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:43 AM

To all those who think we can land Benn; Its never gonna happen.
There s way too many obstacles between Vancouver and Benn.
First of all the Stars would have to desire a trade which they very don't.
The second option is an offer sheet, but Dallas will just match anyway.
A trade may become possible if a deal can t be made but there are so many teams with more options in a deal that i don t see that happening either. I seriously don t see edler getting it done nor do they need Luongo. We won t be getting a high pic and our prospects aside from jensen and lack are mediocre and adding either would be getting into the too expensive category.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:24 AM

southpop45 that is a massive overpayment-are you trying to aquire Weber??

Sure 29 other teams are interested, but which of those 29 teams can offer a 50 point D man who is 26 and at a cap hit of <3.5mill....
not many teams.


You left out that he has a history of back issues and has said he's not sure if he'll ever return to 100%. And that great cap hit you mentioned is only for the next 48 games. After that he can choose to sign with any team he likes. To me he doesn't have much trade value at all
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:25 AM

Think Dallas may not want to much to do with the Canucks....
IIRC Aquillini's & Gaglardi have some history & not the fuzzy warm kind.

Benn in Van is as likely as Weber in Van IMO
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:51 PM

Think Dallas may not want to much to do with the Canucks....
IIRC Aquillini's & Gaglardi have some history & not the fuzzy warm kind.

Benn in Van is as likely as Weber in Van IMO


So you're telling me there's a chance!

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:14 PM

Think Dallas may not want to much to do with the Canucks....
IIRC Aquillini's & Gaglardi have some history & not the fuzzy warm kind.

Benn in Van is as likely as Weber in Van IMO


Yep Gaglardi should have a hate on for the Aquillinis....he really got suckered out of the Canucks purchase
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:15 PM

Benn isn't coming to Van. Edler isn't going any where. He's a future Norris winner.

Young, big, strong, 50 Pt Dman = not going anywhere.

DAL will sign Benn to an extension soon. It was fun to "imagine" for a few hours but this thread has carried on for days.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:35 AM

You left out that he has a history of back issues and has said he's not sure if he'll ever return to 100%. And that great cap hit you mentioned is only for the next 48 games. After that he can choose to sign with any team he likes. To me he doesn't have much trade value at all


Edler doesn't have much trade value at all... wow
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:37 AM

Yep Gaglardi should have a hate on for the Aquillinis....he really got suckered out of the Canucks purchase


I wouldn't want to have anyone but the Aquillinis own us, they want to win and are willing to spend.. I love them!
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:37 AM

The biggest thing that baffles me about all these trade offers (not just in this thread), involving Edler is that people don't seem to think about what it would do to the Canucks blueline. Think of the starting 6 if Edler is moved for a forward.

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Ballard-Garrison
Vandermeer-Tanev

I don't know about anyone else, but this just doesn't look like a championship caliber defensive group to me. In my opinion, the top 4 (Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler and Garrison) are all but untouchable unless a replacement is coming back in the deal.

On top of this, injuries are part of this game. One injury to the top 4 after that trade and the Canucks would be looking at:

Hamhuis-Garrison
Ballard-Tanev
Vandermeer-Alberts

Yikes!!!!
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:58 PM

The biggest thing that baffles me about all these trade offers (not just in this thread), involving Edler is that people don't seem to think about what it would do to the Canucks blueline. Think of the starting 6 if Edler is moved for a forward.

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Ballard-Garrison
Vandermeer-Tanev

I don't know about anyone else, but this just doesn't look like a championship caliber defensive group to me. In my opinion, the top 4 (Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler and Garrison) are all but untouchable unless a replacement is coming back in the deal.

On top of this, injuries are part of this game. One injury to the top 4 after that trade and the Canucks would be looking at:

Hamhuis-Garrison
Ballard-Tanev
Vandermeer-Alberts

Yikes!!!!


Nothing wrong with the first group.

Maybe if he goes for a big gritty sniper we can stop sending our defenders pinching up the ice to help the forwards all the time and let them concentrate on defending. Ballard is easily the equal of Edler imo. It's Garrison who is the unknown in this team.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:37 PM

Edler doesn't have much trade value at all... wow


I mean't in this situation, Edler would get a decent return at the trade deadline to a cup contending team looking for the final pieces, But an unsigened Edler, coming off an injury and yet to prove he can get back to form is not going to be a piece Dallas is looking for if they trade away a young star in the making who is still RFA. Now if Edler was signed to a decent contract that went beyond this season it would be a whole different ballgame. but he isn't , hence the lack of trade value to Dallas. If you think Dallas is going to give away thier future for a player who could walk away in 48 games you need to take the homer glasses off.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

OMG, hurry up and sign Benn, I picked you for fantasy hockey for a reason...
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:32 PM

OMG, hurry up and sign Benn, I picked you for fantasy hockey for a reason...


Me too. At least he was a late pick for me. ;)
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:58 PM

I mean't in this situation, Edler would get a decent return at the trade deadline to a cup contending team looking for the final pieces, But an unsigened Edler, coming off an injury and yet to prove he can get back to form is not going to be a piece Dallas is looking for if they trade away a young star in the making who is still RFA. Now if Edler was signed to a decent contract that went beyond this season it would be a whole different ballgame. but he isn't , hence the lack of trade value to Dallas. If you think Dallas is going to give away thier future for a player who could walk away in 48 games you need to take the homer glasses off.

Benn has been injury prone the last 2 years so your point is moot about Edler.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:20 PM

Doesn't change the fact that Edler is a pending UFA and could walk away from Dallas at seasons end. He's got the trade value of a rental, no more
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

Plus there's a difference between missing 10 games with a shoulder injury and missing 31 games with a back injury that requires surgery
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

Think Dallas may not want to much to do with the Canucks....
IIRC Aquillini's & Gaglardi have some history & not the fuzzy warm kind.

Benn in Van is as likely as Weber in Van IMO

Benn doesn't want to play in Vancouver...or anywhere else where he would be in the spotlight.

There's a deal to be made, at this point it'll be based on contract length.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:23 PM

what people in this thread dont seem to get is that IF benn were available there would be a crazy amount of teams interested. in other words it would take a huge overpayment ( i.e. an offer that dallas cannot turn down ) to even their attention. lets look at the names being thrown out in this thread:

Kesler: was a 40 goal, selke winner two years ago. however an off season last year coupled with the fact that he is starting to become a very injury proned player has seriously lowered his value. add in that he wont be able to start the season on time and dallas is telling you, that they want more.

Edler: after another good season seeing edler put up 40+ points it would seem that edlers stock is on the rise. however his back issues over that last few years may have dallas worried that he'll be a severly injury proned player. add in that hes a pending UFA and edlers stock is nowhere near his actual value. dallas will tell you they want more.

i guess my point is that if vancouver is serious about getting benn then they need to throw an offer out there that will be tough to beat.

my offer would be: kesler + edler + schoerder + raymond

i know thats a lot for canucks fans to accept but that is what i truly think its going to take. when you think about it that is one offer that is both hard to ignore if your dallas and hard to beat if your another interested team


This is Jamie Benn we are talking about...he isn't a bonafide superstar by any means. You're grossly overrating him. HUGE over payment.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:59 AM

I think that this is where Luongo will end up. Dallas needs to get noticed quick. They have new ownership that wants to win now and they know Luongo on and off the ice. I doubt if Benn will be coming though.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:04 PM

I think that this is where Luongo will end up. Dallas needs to get noticed quick. They have new ownership that wants to win now and they know Luongo on and off the ice. I doubt if Benn will be coming though.

Dallas just locked up Kari Lehtonen long term so no, Luongo will not be going to Dallas.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:06 PM

I think that this is where Luongo will end up. Dallas needs to get noticed quick. They have new ownership that wants to win now and they know Luongo on and off the ice. I doubt if Benn will be coming though.


They already have a dang good goalie though, why would they give up assets for a slightly (arguably not even) better, but older one?
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:40 PM

what people in this thread dont seem to get is that IF benn were available there would be a crazy amount of teams interested. in other words it would take a huge overpayment ( i.e. an offer that dallas cannot turn down ) to even their attention. lets look at the names being thrown out in this thread:

Kesler: was a 40 goal, selke winner two years ago. however an off season last year coupled with the fact that he is starting to become a very injury proned player has seriously lowered his value. add in that he wont be able to start the season on time and dallas is telling you, that they want more.

Edler: after another good season seeing edler put up 40+ points it would seem that edlers stock is on the rise. however his back issues over that last few years may have dallas worried that he'll be a severly injury proned player. add in that hes a pending UFA and edlers stock is nowhere near his actual value. dallas will tell you they want more.

i guess my point is that if vancouver is serious about getting benn then they need to throw an offer out there that will be tough to beat.

my offer would be: kesler + edler + schoerder + raymond

i know thats a lot for canucks fans to accept but that is what i truly think its going to take. when you think about it that is one offer that is both hard to ignore if your dallas and hard to beat if your another interested team


This is just insanity. You want to trade a guy injury prone or not who isn't even 30 with 5 20+ goal seasons, 40 goal season and a selke trophy.. then you want to throw in a first round draft pick that hasn't really had any opportunity in the NHL yet, then you want to throw in another guy that isn't even 30 and has at least 1 20+ goal season.. but you aren't done. then you want to throw in 40+ point dman that hasn't even reached his prime. All for a guy drafted 127th overall with a couple of DECENT seasons.

Might as well give them Burrows to.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:21 PM

They already have a dang good goalie though, why would they give up assets for a slightly (arguably not even) better, but older one?


Isn't their goalie Kari Lehtonen? I'm not saying they should trade for Luongo, but you saying he is on the same level as Lehtonen is kind of laughable, no?
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:32 PM

Kypreos is saying that the Benn deal is being finalized now. 33 mil over 5 or 6 years.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

Benn is a good player, but not worth gutting the team for.

Also, I think people undervalue Edler. He was tied with Weber for points last year. A top 10 defenseman in the league. If you trade for Benn it's not going to be foe Edler +, +. Straight up at best.
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