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#271 vcr1970

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:08 PM

If you were the Canucks GM and a week ago you had been offered Barker and Vandermeer for Luongo, would you have done it?

Because the way everyone's talking today, I think that would have been an unfair deal and the Canucks would also have to throw in Raymond or Ballard to even things up.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:21 PM

I'm not surprised Barker performed well for the Texas Stars. There's a reason Chris Bourque, for instance, lead the AHL in scoring last year, but has never cut it in the NHL. The gulf in talent between the two leagues is wide and deep. So perhaps the lead-writing cheerleader in that link should gain some perspective when he tells Barker's detractors to "stick it".


Very true.
Thought that article was interesting since there have been a lot of comments flying around about how Barker "couldn't make it in the AHL". Obviously there was a little more to the story. A first hand observer who actually saw the team play, wrote that Barker's exit was not due to his play.
Not expecting much from Barker, I would have him slotted in somewhere after Alberts.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:27 PM

If you were the Canucks GM and a week ago you had been offered Barker and Vandermeer for Luongo, would you have done it?

Because the way everyone's talking today, I think that would have been an unfair deal and the Canucks would also have to throw in Raymond or Ballard to even things up.


Because CDC are morons with short memories and forget that we have an all-star goalie that used to be captain.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:59 AM

Report in this article about how Cam Barker played for the Texas Stars during the lockout.

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Didn't see any AHL games, but already noted early on he was just ok in the Spengler Cup. Hardly noticed him, which isn't necessarily a bad thing for a defenceman but could be for an offensive defenceman. He didn't make any glaring errors, but didn't do much either on a team with some very good players while playing against less than NHL quality opposition.

For the price, it's worth a tryout, but I'm not expecting a lot out of this deal while I keep an open mind until I can see him in some games.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:28 AM

Didn't see any AHL games, but already noted early on he was just ok in the Spengler Cup. Hardly noticed him, which isn't necessarily a bad thing for a defenceman but could be for an offensive defenceman. He didn't make any glaring errors, but didn't do much either on a team with some very good players while playing against less than NHL quality opposition.

For the price, it's worth a tryout, but I'm not expecting a lot out of this deal while I keep an open mind until I can see him in some games.


With the Stars, he led the entire team in shots up until his contract expired.

In the Spengler cup, the rest of the defensemen were all already playing the season on European ice, something Barker has rarely done. The fact that in your opinion he looked 'okay' and in my opinion, he looked good defensively for a self-proclaimed 'PMD', he has done fine this year for a >$900,000 7th-8th defenseman.

Tie that in with the fact he's a big body and has the potential to regain old form, it's a fairly good signing based on these facts. I'm not sure what you mean by not expecting much, because his role isn't much, and if he can't fill it, that will surprise me.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:56 AM

Go read what the Wild fans/media have to say about Barker and tell me it's a "Good Signing". The guy is useless. We won't see him in a nux uni unless there are 4 injured Dmen before him.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:28 AM

With the Stars, he led the entire team in shots up until his contract expired.

In the Spengler cup, the rest of the defensemen were all already playing the season on European ice, something Barker has rarely done. The fact that in your opinion he looked 'okay' and in my opinion, he looked good defensively for a self-proclaimed 'PMD', he has done fine this year for a >$900,000 7th-8th defenseman.

Tie that in with the fact he's a big body and has the potential to regain old form, it's a fairly good signing based on these facts. I'm not sure what you mean by not expecting much, because his role isn't much, and if he can't fill it, that will surprise me.

It might not surprise me. What also wouldn't surprise me is if he doesn't do very well and gets parked in the press box or sent to the Wolves. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if he comes in and plays decent depth minutes either, however, as I am keeping an open mind and know what he's been capable of in the past.

He isn't here to play the same game Alberts and Vandermeer are. He is more of a specialist, and may see more time in the offensive zone. He didn't last year, somewhat of a proof that the Oilers didn't expect him to be their PP leader or anything, and Vandermeer actually had more offensive starts (Alberts had much less), but he'll still play more of a finesse game than the other two.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:58 AM

Wonder if this was due to Joslin's terrible play with the wolves..


No it has something to do with a gold mining prospect in Peru.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:28 PM

Having watched him in Edmonton last year, I can tell you that he is NOT what he was expected to be, and barring a monumental turn around he will likely be our 8th D man splitting time between the pressbox and the AHL. He is NOT an upgrade on Rome, he is a replacement for Gragnani.
I am not unhappy with the signing, but I don't expect much.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:26 AM

The bloggers over at Nuck Misconduct teamed up with the Wild's bloggers (from Hockey Wilderness) to talk about Cam Barker.

So Who Is Cam Barker?

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Nucks Misconduct (NM): The party line is that Vancouver is stock piling depth and Baker is a $700,000 gamble in that puzzle, a gamble that was laughed off the Wild, couldn't crack the top six on the second worst team in the league last season and was told by an AHL team just last month "thanks but no thanks." Sigh. What's your biggest take away from Barker's time on Minnesota, besides losing Nick Leddy?

Bryan Reynolds (BR): In his time here, Barker earned the nickname Kobe Bryant. This was not due so much to his solid fade away jumper, but the fact that we've never seen both guys in the same place at the same time, and neither one of them can skate. The biggest take away is that he is a great human being, and one of the nicest guys you will ever meet, but that he is a terrible hockey player who has ridden his draft selection to a lifetime of comfort.

The trade for Barker robbed the Wild of a top prospect at a time when the Wild could not afford to do so, AND gave the Blackhawks the cap relief they needed. Barker will forever be remembered as the worst trade the Wild have ever made. Keep in mind that the Wild once traded for Chris Simon.

Think about it this way. The bulk of us, no matter how good we are at what we do, would be lucky to make, in a lifetime, what Barker made in a single year to absolutely suck at what he does. If that doesn't make you want to stab yourself in the eye with a spoon, nothing will.


NM: We've become accustomed to Keith Ballard being the lightning rod for criticism as an offensive-minded guy who gives back too many chances the other way. All reports indicate Barker's much worse: offering nothing offensively while remaining a horrific liability in his own zone. How much do you think that has as much to do with being (no offense) on some poor teams and how much is solely on his decision-making?

BR: Barker is a master of the "shoot the puck into a defending forward's shin pads, then trip over his own feet while there is a three on none break the other way." Not only does he not offer anything offensively, he scored fewer points in his time with the Wild than noted point producer Nick Schultz scored in one season.

How much is due to being on bad teams? It can't be discounted, but once you watch him play for a good three or four minutes, you will realize quickly that the fact the team was bad likely had more to do with Barker's presence, than the bad team accounts for Barker's performance.

Put this on full screen and you'll know what I mean.

NM: Was he used on your special teams and did that fail spectacularly as well?

BR: He was used sparingly on the power play, getting roughly 71 minutes or so on the man advantage in his full season here. In that time, he had two assists. To compare, Jared Spurgeon had 78 minutes of PP time, and had 10 points (4G, 6A) in his rookie season. Spurgeon is 5' 9" standing on a stack of phone books, and looks like a 12 year old, by the way.

Barker was trusted with just under 44 minutes of PK time, which I can only imagine was due to the other five defensemen being the ones serving the penalties. To compare, Marek Zidlicky was given 100 minutes of PK time, and he was considered a defensive liability.


NM: Was there a specific mistake you saw Barker commit most frequently? Failing that is there one big goof that comes to mind (bonus points if you lost the game as a result)?

BR: Other than putting on ice skates? The biggest one is the aforementioned inability to shoot the puck around a defending forward from the point. He also seemed to fall down more than others. I mean, I know that ice is slippery, and sometimes skates aren't sharpened quite right, but it was a disproportionate amount for a professional hockey player. I remember thinking at one point that my two year old skates better than he does. Everything the guy does costs his team games. Listing out the instances would fill far too much cyber space.

NM: He's (generously) listed as 6'3'' and 223 lbs, which makes him at the moment the biggest guy on our roster. I'm afraid to ask but here goes: how is his physical game?

BR: Short answer? Terrible. Long answer? ???? terrible.

There was a stretch in the 2010-11 season where Niklas Backstrom and Josh Harding were just coming off of injuries. To the point that Anton Khudobinwas the Wild's starter. First game back, Harding gets run, and gets run hard. Barker skated away as though Kate Upton was at the bench waiting for him. If there were a checking contest between Barker and a ten year old girl, my money is on the girl knocking Barker head over heels.


NM: Do you think Barker could be a beneficial addition to any team that aggressively shelters his role and asks little more of him than the very basics of a third pairing defenseman?

BR: There are a couple of youth hockey teams in my hometown that might benefit, sure. Though, they probably fall down less than he does. The problem here is that the basics are what Barker struggles with. He can't skate, he can't shoot, he can't handle the puck, he doesn't check, he doesn't clear the net, and he shows about as much emotion as a sea snail.

I honestly cannot fathom why the Oilers signed Barker, let alone why the Canucks, one of the best teams in the league, would consider this a good move. I often defer to NHL GMs having more and / or better information than I do, but with Barker, every GM who has trusted this kid to do anything but steal top defensive prospects from Chuck Fletcher has been proven an idiot.


But hey... he's a third overall pick, so he must have some upside, right?
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There's more to the blog there, but that's the main interview. Not even coming close to complimentary, and it sounds like he's competing with Raymond fro who can fall down the most and not get involved in anything remotely physical. At least we know Raymond has speed.

I've said it before, I'm keeping an open mind (am I trying to convince myself?), but there's just too much bad press out there on Barker to be coincidence. We'll have to wait until we see him in action.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:34 AM

The bloggers over at Nuck Misconduct teamed up with the Wild's bloggers (from Hockey Wilderness) to talk about Cam Barker.

So Who Is Cam Barker?


There's more to the blog there, but that's the main interview. Not even coming close to complimentary, and it sounds like he's competing with Raymond fro who can fall down the most and not get involved in anything remotely physical. At least we know Raymond has speed.

I've said it before, I'm keeping an open mind (am I trying to convince myself?), but there's just too much bad press out there on Barker to be coincidence. We'll have to wait until we see him in action.


regardless of how CB performs, that guy's schtick is obviously being a d-bag, but thinking he's cool while doing it. I wouldn't trust his opinion as far as I could kick his a$$ out the door

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:42 AM

regardless of how CB performs, that guy's schtick is obviously being a d-bag, but thinking he's cool while doing it. I wouldn't trust his opinion as far as I could kick his a$$ out the door

I get that, but where there's smoke there's fire like I mentioned. He does have some specific examples and the fact of his production and being traded, then put on waivers, then just not re-signed on a team needing defencemen does point to the 'concerned' feeling of this signing.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:12 PM

The bloggers over at Nuck Misconduct teamed up with the Wild's bloggers (from Hockey Wilderness) to talk about Cam Barker.

So Who Is Cam Barker?


There's more to the blog there, but that's the main interview. Not even coming close to complimentary, and it sounds like he's competing with Raymond fro who can fall down the most and not get involved in anything remotely physical. At least we know Raymond has speed.

I've said it before, I'm keeping an open mind (am I trying to convince myself?), but there's just too much bad press out there on Barker to be coincidence. We'll have to wait until we see him in action.

When he starts comparing CB's skating ability to his daughter's I start to wonder if he simply likes to read his own stuff. CB might end up being a write off but anyone who makes it to the NHL should garner some respect. For every Cam Barker there are 10,000 who fell by the weigh side.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:14 PM

regardless of how CB performs, that guy's schtick is obviously being a d-bag, but thinking he's cool while doing it.  I wouldn't trust his opinion as far as I could kick his a$$ out the door


Gotta admit though, I laughed a number of times.

It's not like he's just a Wild homer. He called Vancouver one of the best teams in the league. He just genuinely HATES Cam Barker.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

It appears that way, doesn't it?

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