Stefan Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Wooooooaaaaaaah. This guy did steroids? So he's sort of like a typical baseball player, except he donated millions of dollars to cancer research. BURN HIM!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 We all know he was a cheater, the fact that he was doping is nothing new, which is why I won't need to watch or even care about this show. He had his chance to come clean many years ago, instead he went after snitches and was a bully. There's no taking away from the fact that his public image has rightfully taken a thrashing and it wouldn't surprise me if his cancer was a result of doping. His public problems are self-imposed and I don't feel bad for that. Still, as a few others mention, due to his donations to cancer research and philanthropy, I can't be too hard on the guy. I don't care so much that Lance Armstrong is taking an image beating (should be a clue to others not to cheat), but I hope LiveStrong continues to do well without him. At least Lance had some other people in mind besides himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I find it fascinating that people are willing to crucify a man who has done more good than they ever will for 'cheating'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 No where did I say he did not work hard .. it just speaks to the fact that the American dream must be achieved at any cost .. even if that means lying and cheating .. people applaud his charity work as do I .. it still does not take away from the fact he is a cheat and a fraud .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 Lance and I both have something in common. Neither of us have any tour de france championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Lance and I both have something in common. Neither of us have any tour de france championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I find it fascinating that people are willing to crucify a man who has done more good than they ever will for 'cheating'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Truly honest and honourable people do not have to cheat and/or do fraudulent things order to accomplish good things in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Please stop speaking out of your rear. There's been so much anti-American hate on these boards the last few weeks its sickening. The "American Dream" isn't to cheat, steal, or lie your way to the top. The dream is to have a job that you don't mind, live comfortably and have a family that loves you for most Americans. For many immigrants it is to get a job that allows you to send money home, to allow them to be able to have a better life. It varies person to person, but it most certainly isn't the selfish view you stereo-typically plaster on anyone from the 50 states Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Get your head out of yer arse so you can hear me clearly .. Lance Armstrong IS NOT AN IMMIGRANT .. and many American athletes adopt a "win at all costs" mentality .. if you are in denial about that FACT then you can not see past your own bias .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Please name some modern people who fall under that. Nobody is a saint nowadays, too much info is available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I was pointing out that the American Dream is different for everyone. Just because many American athletes adopt the mentality does not mean that the view is exclusive to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Trevor Linden, Dr. Satif Mann, Pope John Paul, me .. thats 4 off the top of my head .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Wait, the leader of the organization responsible for covering up hundreds if not thousands of molestations is pure to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Perhaps I should not have used the generic term "American Dream" .. "win at any cost" is too prevalent in our society for my liking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgillnuck Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Wow your attitude is horrible. I'd try to point out what other users have said about the hundreds of millions he has raised for cancer research, but you only want to crusify him for doing what was done by every other cyclist in the era, and then trying to deny it. Of course he wanted to hide what he may have done(still no positive tests) but to judge him solely on that is asinine. Doping or no, he completed a task many of could never in riding the Tour, even after fighting cancer, and then raised so much for a health issue that affects everyone in the world. So please leave your extremely pessimistic view at the door and appreciate the good he's done for the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I just hope you understand there is a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapjacks Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Do his good deeds outweigh his bad deeds? Maybe. I think the biggest problem that people have with his 10+ years of lying is that the foundation of the LiveStrong Foundation (previously Lance Armstrong Foundation) was built on his cycling victories. This was a man who came back from cancer and proceeded to win 7 Tour de France titles in his career, albeitly through cheating as we have now found out. There's no denying though the good he's done in raising awareness and money for cancer research through his foundation. I think they have raised over half a billion dollars since it was founded. But it still comes down to the fact that people, maybe particularly for people who have unfortunately been inflicted with various types of cancer, looked up to Lance for inspiration. There must be tons of people who are cancer patients who look up to Lance as a hero. A man who won his battle with cancer and went farther even as to compete in those championships and win those titles. I'm sure for those people, they are probably the most disappointed ones today. I remember reading his autobiographical book "It's Not About the Bike" a long time ago and felt really inspired by his story. I wasn't able to relate directly to his struggles, but to read about them and how he eventually conquered them to win championship titles was quite inspiring to say the least. So following the news today of how he did indeed use PED's during his career, I have to say for me, I am disappointed, but can appreciate what he's done for cancer research. It's not like he's the first athlete to dope either I guess. I just hope that despite all this, people can still support the foundation and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 As a former altar boy, I always considered John Paul to be "honorable" .. not sure what part he played in any cover-up but I am sure you have details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Would it really make a great deal of difference in your life if I know the difference? .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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