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#1 Spotted Zebra

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:56 PM

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Let me start off by saying that this isn't a troll thread, I am not suggesting that the Canucks blow up the organization and trade away the Sedins and Edler for prospects. Nor am I suggesting there isn't a chance the Canucks could go all the way this year.

But...

What's the one thing you keep hearing CONSISTANTLY about the Canucks from someone who is not a fan of them? It's not that they aren't tough enough, or they're to thin on defence. Both these statements may be true, but the thing I keep hearing over and over is : "Their window is coming to an end"

Whether you agree with it or not, you have to acknowledge it.

Years of sketchy drafting have led to a prospect pool have led to Jensen, Schroeder, Corrado, and Gaunce as the future of the team. That isn't bad, but chances are they arent going to take over for the Sedins and Kesler and Burrows, all of whom are slowly aging.

Anyways, the point I'm trying to make here is this. When people found out there was going to be a 48 game schedule, most of the initial reaction was that the Canucks had to go balls to the walls to ice their best possible team for the playoffs, which is what we, the fans would like. No arguing that.

But what happens, when someone decides to take liberties on Daniel Sedin again, and our D core disintegrates? Whats the point of making the playoffs and being eliminated in the first round, only to get the 23rd Overall draft pick? Each year we don't win the cup, our chances fade slightly more the following season.

We were not expecting hockey this year. Hamhuis is hurt, Kassian is hurt, Booth is hurt, Kes is hurt.
Our second line stands to be : Raymond - Ebbett - Hansen.

Why not let Kes rest up the whole season, get healthy, and get 70 points next year? This team will not have forgotten how to win, and the addition of a Jones, or MacKinnon extends the shelflife of this team by YEARS.

I'm rambling now, but you get the point. We suffered though a 4 month lockout, could we not suffer through 3 more for the good of the team, Edmonton had to endure this for close to 300 games, we could do it for 48.

Edited by Spotted Zebra, 14 January 2013 - 07:57 PM.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:57 PM

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:picard:


That is all.

And this thread has been done before.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:59 PM

More like '48 games...Perfect for a hotstreak!'
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:59 PM

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So what I'm hearing is: Why bother trying when there is a chance we may not succeed?
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:00 PM

:picard:


That is all.

And this thread has been done before.


Because not winning the cup, not letting our rookies play, and drafting a plug 27th is so much better than having a potential stud in your system?

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:00 PM

In that case, why not lose as many games as possible and get first pick overall and draft MacKinnon ?
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:01 PM

Do what we can bro. It's unfair for the fans if they lose on purpose (just like the Oilers).
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:03 PM

There is plenty of talent to be had in the draft at any # of pick. Tanking only takes chances away from our current lottery players. It also pisses off the hockey gods, Edmonton is gonna get hit hard with Karma, karma being the Vancouver Canucks this season.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:03 PM

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Why not just have MG phone up Bettman and tell him that Vancouver forfeits all games :picard: ?

Looking at your join date, you should know better than to post this stuff.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

So you're saying you'd rather have elite prospects than regular season and playoff success year in and year out? Go cheer for the Oilers then
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

please, dear flying spagetti monster, have this season start!
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:17 PM

we suffered through 4 months of lockout whats another 3 months???

that was 4 months of no hockey ......NO NHL games .. have you looked at the schedule?

they get 2 days off tops , then its game , day off game ,day off, game, day off , game , game, 2 days off, game ECT ECT ECT ECT

i cant put up with a few losses back to back let alone 3 months of straight loss every other day

only person who could possibly deal with this would be a hermit or the deaf / blind
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:20 PM

Who wants to lose on purpose? The Sedins tank a year so next year they will be one year older and we may or may not get a good high draft pick?
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:20 PM

I don't understand, OP.

Are you suggesting that we trade away the Sedins, Kes, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Edler etc etc and load up on prospects so that maybe one day we can have a team as good as the one we have right now?

Or are you saying that somebody needs to go into the locker room and tell those guys to lose on purpose? Tough to find a volunteer for that job I think.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:24 PM

To infer the OP is a hermit, or deaf/blind is a tremendous insult to to hermits, the deaf and the blind. There's just nothing to say or do to validate the stupidity that is the OP.

what about an inanimate object or more specifically a rock , a rock could deal with that very well (no dwayne johnson )
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:43 PM

Except that they changed the lottery rules, so now any team that misses the playoffs can get the 1st overall draft pick.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:43 PM

what about an inanimate object or more specifically a rock , a rock could deal with that very well (no dwayne johnson )


I hear what you're saying, Clutch. Give ME the rock so that I can bang my head with it everytime I see an original post a retarded as this one. Banging my head with a rock would be less painful than dealing with the idiocy that is the OP.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:50 PM


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:01 PM

Because not winning the cup, not letting our rookies play, and drafting a plug 27th is so much better than having a potential stud in your system?


Schneider was drafted 26th overall. Just sayin'...

I think there is an unfair stigma towards us that once our core with this group of guys closes we'll be done for good. I don't agree with this. Look at teams like Detroit who are, year in, year out solid contenders (they've made the playoffs what, over 20 years in a row now?). My point is that you can have a sucessfull team and bring in new young players, or even experienced players (Hamhuis, Booth, Garrison etc.) and by doing this stay quality contenders, look at the team we have now- other than the Sedins a lot of our core was drafted very late, or not at all in the case of Burrows and Tanev. Examples of this are: Edler 91st overall, Bieksa 151st overall, Kesler was 23rd overall, but that just proves my point that just because you're not in the top 10 of a draft doesn't mean your a plug- (Corey S again)...

I don't think we should have so much negativity and urgency to add new talent cause "our window is closing" Yes, that may be true with this era, but it doesn't have to be a completely true statement. I, personally, am hoping to get a B/A grade prospect in the Luongo trade, and we're lucky to be in a market that is attractive to Free Agents... once a our guys start getting older and their cap hits drop, we'll have money to spend on a future big name FA, or 2 that could effectively replace the Sedins. 35/36 year old Sedins are not a bad 2nd line...

I guess I'm being pretty optimistic, I just don't think we should be too worried. The fact that we are an attractive destination for FAs and that we have a good young goalie, star Dman, etc. can't be overlooked in our potential to not have to do a complete rebuild. With a little luck the Canucks can be a quality team for the next X years, a FA here, trade there, and a surprise draft pick (as we've seen a lot with this club) can make this club work in the long term as consistent cup contenders, and hopefully, sooner rather than later, Stanley Cup Champions.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:02 PM

Well this threads goin nowhere fast jeesh
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

I'd rather just go 48-0-0.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

Schneider was drafted 26th overall. Just sayin'...

I think there is an unfair stigma towards us that once our core with this group of guys closes we'll be done for good. I don't agree with this. Look at teams like Detroit who are, year in, year out solid contenders (they've made the playoffs what, over 20 years in a row now?). My point is that you can have a sucessfull team and bring in new young players, or even experienced players (Hamhuis, Booth, Garrison etc.) and by doing this stay quality contenders, look at the team we have now- other than the Sedins a lot of our core was drafted very late, or not at all in the case of Burrows and Tanev. Examples of this are: Edler 91st overall, Bieksa 151st overall, Kesler was 23rd overall, but that just proves my point that just because you're not in the top 10 of a draft doesn't mean your a plug- (Corey S again)...

I don't think we should have so much negativity and urgency to add new talent cause "our window is closing" Yes, that may be true with this era, but it doesn't have to be a completely true statement. I, personally, am hoping to get a B/A grade prospect in the Luongo trade, and we're lucky to be in a market that is attractive to Free Agents... once a our guys start getting older and their cap hits drop, we'll have money to spend on a future big name FA, or 2 that could effectively replace the Sedins. 35/36 year old Sedins are not a bad 2nd line...

I guess I'm being pretty optimistic, I just don't think we should be too worried. The fact that we are an attractive destination for FAs and that we have a good young goalie, star Dman, etc. can't be overlooked in our potential to not have to do a complete rebuild. With a little luck the Canucks can be a quality team for the next X years, a FA here, trade there, and a surprise draft pick (as we've seen a lot with this club) can make this club work in the long term as consistent cup contenders, and hopefully, sooner rather than later, Stanley Cup Champions.


Spot on.



I'd rather just got 48-0-0.


Amen.

Edited by Bertuzzi Babe, 14 January 2013 - 09:06 PM.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:48 PM

Terrible idea
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:58 PM

bad idea considering the number one pick is now a lottery of 14 teams
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:00 PM

To be honest, this is the best time to win the Cup.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:02 PM

Let me start off by saying that this isn't a troll thread, I am not suggesting that the Canucks blow up the organization and trade away the Sedins and Edler for prospects. Nor am I suggesting there isn't a chance the Canucks could go all the way this year.

But...

What's the one thing you keep hearing CONSISTANTLY about the Canucks from someone who is not a fan of them? It's not that they aren't tough enough, or they're to thin on defence. Both these statements may be true, but the thing I keep hearing over and over is : "Their window is coming to an end"

Whether you agree with it or not, you have to acknowledge it.

Years of sketchy drafting have led to a prospect pool have led to Jensen, Schroeder, Corrado, and Gaunce as the future of the team. That isn't bad, but chances are they arent going to take over for the Sedins and Kesler and Burrows, all of whom are slowly aging.

Anyways, the point I'm trying to make here is this. When people found out there was going to be a 48 game schedule, most of the initial reaction was that the Canucks had to go balls to the walls to ice their best possible team for the playoffs, which is what we, the fans would like. No arguing that.

But what happens, when someone decides to take liberties on Daniel Sedin again, and our D core disintegrates? Whats the point of making the playoffs and being eliminated in the first round, only to get the 23rd Overall draft pick? Each year we don't win the cup, our chances fade slightly more the following season.

We were not expecting hockey this year. Hamhuis is hurt, Kassian is hurt, Booth is hurt, Kes is hurt.
Our second line stands to be : Raymond - Ebbett - Hansen.

Why not let Kes rest up the whole season, get healthy, and get 70 points next year? This team will not have forgotten how to win, and the addition of a Jones, or MacKinnon extends the shelflife of this team by YEARS.

I'm rambling now, but you get the point. We suffered though a 4 month lockout, could we not suffer through 3 more for the good of the team, Edmonton had to endure this for close to 300 games, we could do it for 48.



Sounds to me like we just need to drop the puck.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:34 PM

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:52 PM

but the thing I keep hearing over and over is : "Their window is coming to an end"


So your master plan to win the cup is to throw a season while the window is open?
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:57 PM

Edler was drafted in the 3rd round.

Burrows went undrafted and was signed by the Canucks from the AHL.

Pavel Datsyuk was taken in the 6th round!

There are surprises to come for us and other teams in the future.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:01 PM

Because not winning the cup, not letting our rookies play, and drafting a plug 27th is so much better than having a potential stud in your system?


LOL, how the hell does a 27th overall pick result in a plug, give your head a shake. Detroit is the perfect example of a team that ignores that window of opportunity closing and continues to succeed with a veteran group every year.

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