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#1 whytelight

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:16 AM

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Many of us have posted on the other fourms (trades and rumors) about these trades invloving Luongo and come pretty high valued players. I think we all need to take a look at some facts here and stop the hype. Although I'd love a top 4 D or a top 6 F coming to our team, we need to look at some facts here.

1. MG said he will only trade Luongo if it will help the team. Bozak, Kadri, and the other garbage- names teams have been rumored to offer will not help us. Other teams know the position MG is in and will use that to our disadvantage; MG won't trade Luongo for a band-aid.

2. We currently have the best tandem in the Leauge. CS is unproven and Luongo is an elite, world-class goalie that helped us to game 7 of the SCF. Luongo did not lose game 7, our team did. Would you want to go into the playoffs with CS and Eddie Lack? I don't.

3. Believe it or not, MG might be thinking to himself, "currently, the best thing for the TEAM (not the fans, not the city) is keeping RL and taking a run at the SC with the Leauges best two goalies.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:37 AM

I agree.

Would also add that this situation could prove to be pivotal in Rookie GMMG's career. If he bungles it with these 2 goalie assets, that's what he'll be remembered for. The Canucks have a golden opportunity to improve the club for years but it could just as easily go the other way. It's a fine line.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:56 AM

This (playing 2 goalies) was successful for the Wings.

"During the 2007–08 season, he was replaced by backup Chris Osgood. When Hašek recovered and got back into his stride, Detroit chose to alternate goaltenders in tandem instead of designating either as the backup. Detroit coach Mike Babcock announced Hašek to start in the 2008 playoffs. Through the first two games against the Nashville Predators, the Red Wings were victorious, but after a lackluster performance in the next two, Osgood was in goal for the remainder of the playoffs.[43] Despite expressing disappointment at losing his starting position, Hašek maintained his professionalism in practice and continued to support his teammates, with Darren McCarty citing close relationship between Hašek and Osgood.[44] Eventually the Red Wings beat thePittsburgh Penguins in six games for the Stanley Cup."
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:59 AM

It is a fine line. You do not give away an elite goalie for prospects that may pan out in two to five years. You either get an elite veteran player in return, or you do not make the trade. It is that simple.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:27 AM

Thanks for your opinion. Did you know we have a thread where we're already discussing this exact thing?

[Discussion] Roberto Luongo Trade Thread 4.0
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:24 AM

When you said "believe it or not", all I could think about was

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:38 AM

I would have to argue that Schneider is proven, or management wouldn't deem Luongo expendable. To be honest I'd be quite comfortable heading into the playoffs with Schneider + veteran backup not named Luongo.

I do agree that MG isn't going to trade Luongo away for scraps. Both Schneider and Lu are professionals and they will do whatever is best for the team. The only distraction is going to be within the media.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:58 AM

Leafs fans in particular is living a dream. They think their team is a cup winning team, they think their team will make the playoffs, and they think they can get Luongo for absolutley nothing. But like I said, they are living a dream, and I don't think Luongo if he does get traded, it will not be to Toronto, as they have too little assets to make a trade like this. They don't have much offensive players, they don't have much prospects, they don't have much of anything!. Well done Burky.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:27 AM

Toronto has Jamie Devane who is tough as nails. He is about as tough as Kassian and bigger with less offense but some offensive ability. As well they have Ashton Carter and Joe Colbourne who is a first round pick from Boston that Toronto got from the Kaberle deal. He is 6'5" 215 lbs. Colbourne has great hands and is an above average nhl speed skater. Plus they have defensive prospects and they could also throw Reimer into the deal which we could later trade for something next year. And they have draft picks. I mean imagine Reimer with Vancouver's defense. He played well with Tononto's team.

So I would like to keep Luongo. That is why I would wait for a smoking deal from another team to make it worth our while.

If we traded Luongo our goaltending depth with injury could look like:

Schneids
Reimer
Lack
Climie
Canata

Honestly if we had Climie and Lack I think that it is possible that one of those guys could catch fire. I mean it is possible. So Lets make a deal if it makes sense because Vancouver is in a position of strength.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:34 AM

BTW Colbourne is a great Passer. He has a good shot too. But he is a pass first guy. He handles the puck well. He is the kind of guy that could get Kesler and Booth the puck. He is a Center Ice so down the road (he is 22) he or Kesler could play the wing and they could change back and forth or they could use him on the third line and have booth on his wing because they wouuld be more fashinoned to play together than Kesler and Booth.

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Raymond Kelser Higgins
Booth Colbourne Hansen
Kassian Lapierre Weise
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Vancouver could have scoring on all lines
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:44 AM

So Colbourne would be great to get the puck to speedy guys like whom some are not known for shooting:

Booth, Kesler, Raymond, Burrows, Hanson, Kassian. He could be a great peice for us because we need a passer. He actually reminds me of Joe Thornton. Look him up and you will see. He has size, his name is Joe and he is a pass first guy with great hands and he is a first round pick from Boston whom Boston gave up on and traded for a defenceman (Brad Stuart from San Jose for Thornton Kaberle for Colbourne). Plus would be great to have a Neely trade reversed so we can say we have a player that Boston gave up on and was great.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:10 PM

Many of us have posted on the other fourms (trades and rumors) about these trades invloving Luongo and come pretty high valued players. I think we all need to take a look at some facts here and stop the hype. Although I'd love a top 4 D or a top 6 F coming to our team, we need to look at some facts here.

1. MG said he will only trade Luongo if it will help the team. Bozak, Kadri, and the other garbage- names teams have been rumored to offer will not help us. Other teams know the position MG is in and will use that to our disadvantage; MG won't trade Luongo for a band-aid.

2. We currently have the best tandem in the Leauge. CS is unproven and Luongo is an elite, world-class goalie that helped us to game 7 of the SCF. Luongo did not lose game 7, our team did. Would you want to go into the playoffs with CS and Eddie Lack? I don't.

3. Believe it or not, MG might be thinking to himself, "currently, the best thing for the TEAM (not the fans, not the city) is keeping RL and taking a run at the SC with the Leauges best two goalies.

Thank you! It seems that everyone proposing trades involving Lou either want to give him away for a bag of pucks or expect all the NHL allstars in return. Wasn't sure what to expect when I clicked on this Topic but was plesantly suprised!
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:12 PM

We dont need nhlers we need prospects
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:12 PM

But how will that help us now? ^^
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:33 PM

The Leafs are not giving up Gardiner or Riely, Nonis already made that clear.

But what if he would give up one of those guys for Schnieder instead, what we want to make that deal then?
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:36 PM

The Leafs are not giving up Gardiner or Riely, Nonis already made that clear.

But what if he would give up one of those guys for Schnieder instead, what we want to make that deal then?

I listened to that interview as well and while definately he was against giving up Riely when they asked about Gardiner Nonis seemed to hesitate and stutter for a few seconds there, until he included Gardiner as someone who they wouldn't trade.

Not saying that means anything, I'm just saying.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

I don't understand why we keep having discussions about whether or not it is good to have two great goaltenders on the team. As soon as the two goaltenders are proven to be able to work together - there is no issue with having two great goaltenders.

The issue is strictly about salary cap, and the disastrous effects of having $9.33M cap space allocated to goalies. It seems like we are shooting ourselves in the foot and not availing of 3-4.5$M in cap space because we have both goalies. That much cap space could mean upgrading a 2nd line player or a top 4 defenseman into a superstar, an extra depth power player, or even simply space to breathe when the cap shrinks next year.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:55 PM

I would have to argue that Schneider is proven, or management wouldn't deem Luongo expendable. To be honest I'd be quite comfortable heading into the playoffs with Schneider + veteran backup not named Luongo.

I do agree that MG isn't going to trade Luongo away for scraps. Both Schneider and Lu are professionals and they will do whatever is best for the team. The only distraction is going to be within the media.


Agreed.

OP basically created athread to post his slightly veiled, pro-Lu opinion. There's already a 71 page thread on this.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:59 PM

The Leafs are not giving up Gardiner or Riely, Nonis already made that clear.

But what if he would give up one of those guys for Schnieder instead, what we want to make that deal then?


No!! Ther's a reason they would give those guys up for Cory and it's the same reason MG wants to keep him. He is technically and mentally sound and has the potential to be a top 5 goalie for the next 10 years!

The Lu ship is at the dock and ready to sail. As posted on the Proper Lu discussion thread, he has said so himself that he doesn't want to be here beyond this year at the latest.

Edited by DIBdaQUIB, 15 January 2013 - 03:03 PM.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:03 PM

We dont need nhlers we need prospects


We have enough prospects for now. There is always the draft anyway. Booth and Kesler are out, there is no way a guy like Colbourne will help. And no way is even 3 Colbournes worth Luongo.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:11 PM

MG said he wants something that will help now and help the future.

Which means a roster player and prospect.

About keeping Lu for the season some of us on CDC have been saying that for weeks. It might be better to keep Luongo for a short season where we play 48 games in 99 days. Too much load on CS.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:02 PM

Many of us have posted on the other fourms (trades and rumors) about these trades invloving Luongo and come pretty high valued players. I think we all need to take a look at some facts here and stop the hype. Although I'd love a top 4 D or a top 6 F coming to our team, we need to look at some facts here.

1. MG said he will only trade Luongo if it will help the team. Bozak, Kadri, and the other garbage- names teams have been rumored to offer will not help us. Other teams know the position MG is in and will use that to our disadvantage; MG won't trade Luongo for a band-aid.

2. We currently have the best tandem in the Leauge. CS is unproven and Luongo is an elite, world-class goalie that helped us to game 7 of the SCF. Luongo did not lose game 7, our team did. Would you want to go into the playoffs with CS and Eddie Lack? I don't.

3. Believe it or not, MG might be thinking to himself, "currently, the best thing for the TEAM (not the fans, not the city) is keeping RL and taking a run at the SC with the Leauges best two goalies.


CS had the best GAA and save % of ALL playoff goalies in 2012. Lou was the worst of any goalie playing more than a single game - just how the hell does that qualify Luongo and deem CS un-qualified? In the regular season, Luongo was middle of the pack on a President's trophy team, and CS was top four in the league. Yes, I definitely would want to go into the playoffs with CS compared to Luongo - especially after another Luongo meldown in the last one. If there are teams that want Luongo and are willing to offer something for him, I hope Gillis rips their arms off grabbing it before they change their minds.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

we need hockey people! so we can start discussing and debating on all new squandering's.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:53 PM

I agree and I disagree with you.

Yes Leaf fans are in a bit of a dream world (so are we, but our dreams are a little more vivid, and our eye's are also shuttering as we are about to wake).

The part I agree about, and which I posted in October (before getting over involved) is they really cannot afford to give up their good young players. It would be best that Toronto really should stay the course. It's not that Lou wouldn't get in the play off's if they traded Kadri, Bozak and a 2knd for Lou; it's how long it would take for them to be contenders. Take for granted that Gardiner is no longer a prospect, Kadri remains no worse than their 2knd best prospect. Plus he is far closer to ready than Rielly their top guy. Add the obvious problem that they are dreadfully short at centre, and how do you project them becoming a contender even if they make the dance??? Kadri and Bozak would not be as disastrous a loss as trading for Kessel, but...

I really see only two ways to swing a deal with Toronto. They do have depth on wing, if they sign Lupul and Kessel. Ashton and Biggs would not seriously compromise their future; both right wingers. The alternate is a bigger hockey deal; perhaps Gardiner for Edler and a trade for Kadri/ MacArthur. MacArthur is a cap dump for them to make it work but a solid rental for us. Add in an expiring contract for them with Connoly and a buyout on Komisarek and then they have the money to re-sign Edler, Lupul and Kessel. We do this to protect against Edler walking, but gain Kadri, our own cap relief and MacArthur helps make us a serious contender this year. But its awfully expensive to give them two all stars for a prospect, MacArthur and Gardiner. Add it up and a deal is unlikely.

Or they do a deal because the believe Kadri is a bust.

Leafs fans in particular is living a dream. They think their team is a cup winning team, they think their team will make the playoffs, and they think they can get Luongo for absolutley nothing. But like I said, they are living a dream, and I don't think Luongo if he does get traded, it will not be to Toronto, as they have too little assets to make a trade like this. They don't have much offensive players, they don't have much prospects, they don't have much of anything!. Well done Burky.


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:03 PM

3. Believe it or not, MG might be thinking to himself, "currently, the best thing for the TEAM (not the fans, not the city) is keeping RL and taking a run at the SC with the Leauges best two goalies.

Is that why Roberto showed up in Vancouver with one duffel bag to last the entire year? Surely,MG talks to Roberto about his being dealt.

Since June we have been told by Gilman and Gillis that they were trading Roberto.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:57 PM

Is that why Roberto showed up in Vancouver with one duffel bag to last the entire year? Surely,MG talks to Roberto about his being dealt.

Since June we have been told by Gilman and Gillis that they were trading Roberto.


Surely Lu has a spare tooth brush, jock strap and set of car keys in Vancouver by now.

Gillis hasn't said anything like that. He has given minimal answers to baited questions is all.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:13 PM

I agree. Thanks.
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