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[Proposal] VAN - TOR (yes another freaking VAN + TOR proposal)


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#1 VAN_FAN_MATT

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

Ok so there are tons of Luongo trade rumors and speculation swamping the internet these days, no breaking news here on CDC; but a few Leafs players most mentioned recently in those rumors are Lupul and Kadri. Personally, I don't want Kadri, and Lupul, I'm very doubtful the Leafs would even entertain the idea of trading him, considering he was the teams top scorer last season.

Here is the Luongo trade return I would be satisfied with. Anything less than this and I wont be a happy camper.

To VAN
C. MacArthur
T. Bozak
C. Franson (or Gunnarsson but preferably Franson)
2013 2nd round pick

To TOR
R. Luongo

Edited by VAN_FAN_MATT, 15 January 2013 - 03:49 PM.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:47 PM

why preferably franson? i feel gunnarson is easily the better option
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

why preferably franson? i feel gunnarson is easily the better option


I like Gunnarson, but I've been big on Franson since his Preds days. He's big, he's right handed, has a hard shot, he's IMO a solid defensive defenseman, although he didn't have a great year in TO last year.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:55 PM

I would do it, wonder if they would though
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:07 PM

I would do it but I have a feeling the TML organization might want a little more in return
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:18 PM

Ok so there are tons of Luongo trade rumors and speculation swamping the internet these days, no breaking news here on CDC; but a few Leafs players most mentioned recently in those rumors are Lupul and Kadri. Personally, I don't want Kadri, and Lupul, I'm very doubtful the Leafs would even entertain the idea of trading him, considering he was the teams top scorer last season.

Here is the Luongo trade return I would be satisfied with. Anything less than this and I wont be a happy camper.

To VAN
C. MacArthur
T. Bozak
C. Franson (or Gunnarsson but preferably Franson)
2013 2nd round pick

To TOR
R. Luongo




C. MacArthur Plug
T. Bozak Plug
C. Franson (or Gunnarsson but preferably Franson) 6th defencemen on this team
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:24 PM

C. MacArthur Plug
T. Bozak Plug
C. Franson (or Gunnarsson but preferably Franson) 6th defencemen on this team

Clarke MacArthur and Tyler Bozak are far from plugs. You're just saying that because they're Leafs. And no, Franson would not be the 6th D man on the Canucks. More like he'll be 7th-8th.

Edited by Steven Stamkos' Mullet, 15 January 2013 - 05:25 PM.

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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:31 PM

C. MacArthur Plug
T. Bozak Plug
C. Franson (or Gunnarsson but preferably Franson) 6th defencemen on this team


Lol?
MacArthur = perfect second/third line playmaker
Bozak = Perfect second line fill-in Role
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:39 PM

Lol?
MacArthur = perfect second/third line playmaker
Bozak = Perfect second line fill-in Role


Luongo=Perfect starter

Clarke MacArthur and Tyler Bozak are far from plugs. You're just saying that because they're Leafs. And no, Franson would not be the 6th D man on the Canucks. More like he'll be 7th-8th.


ok so lets say Kesler and Booth comes back. would you slot macarthur over hansen? raymond?

sedin-sedin-burrows
booth-kesler-higgins
Hansen-Bozak-Raymond
McCarthur-Malholtra-Weise

Ok, I'd pay 3.25 mil for a 4th liner
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:41 PM

Luongo=Perfect starter



ok so lets say Kesler and Booth comes back. would you slot macarthur over hansen? raymond?

sedin-sedin-burrows
booth-kesler-higgins
Hansen-Bozak-Raymond
McCarthur-Malholtra-Weise

Ok, I'd pay 3.25 mil for a 4th liner

:picard: MacArthur is not a fourth liner. You have no idea who he is.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:14 PM

First Luongo trade that I would accept with the leafs that I've seen yet. Although I think Luo is worth even more than that I think the Leafs say no.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:15 PM

I feel like no deal that comes out of Toronto is going to be sufficient for Luongo.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:17 PM

sedin-sedin-burrows
booth-kesler-higgins
Hansen-Bozak-Raymond
McCarthur-Malholtra-Weise


This is insane... MacArthur is not a 4th liner, and no Lappy or Kassian? With those pickups, raymond really doesnt have a spot.

I'd lean towards this...

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
McCarthur-Kesler-Burrows
Booth-Bozak-Higgins
Hansen-Malholtra-Lapierre

Edited by Neufy161, 15 January 2013 - 06:21 PM.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:40 PM

I like this deal, but im not sure if its good fit here in Vancouver. We already have good forward depth but by adding two more top 9 forwards i dont know where certain players will fit.

Without doing any trade with Toronto our lines could be like this. (with Kesler)

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
Hansen - Lappy - Higgins
Raymiond - Maholtra - Weise

Now by adding MacArthur and Bozak it will give us tremendous depth, but someone would have to go, also Vancouver would like Kassian to play on the best line possible for his development.

If this trade happens here's lines without Injuries.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Kassian
Hansen-Bozak-MacArthur
Higgins-Lappy-Raymond/Weise

Manny Malholtra would be the oddman out with everyone healthy and i would this Raymond would also be dealt.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:19 PM

Luongo=Perfect starter



ok so lets say Kesler and Booth comes back. would you slot macarthur over hansen? raymond?

sedin-sedin-burrows
booth-kesler-higgins
Hansen-Bozak-Raymond
McCarthur-Malholtra-Weise

Ok, I'd pay 3.25 mil for a 4th liner


MacArthur is capable of scoring more goals on the second line than eirther of Booth or Raymond. He has scored 20 goals in each of the previous 2 seasons with the Leafs.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:26 PM

First Luongo trade that I would accept with the leafs that I've seen yet. Although I think Luo is worth even more than that I think the Leafs say no.


I agree he is worth more, but this trade return as I stated at the top of the page is the least that I would be satisfied with. IMO anything less than this is unacceptable. If Raymond is to be thrown into the deal, I would add a TOR top-mid level prospect to the above trade.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 07:29 PM

This is insane... MacArthur is not a 4th liner, and no Lappy or Kassian? With those pickups, raymond really doesnt have a spot.

I'd lean towards this...

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
McCarthur-Kesler-Burrows
Booth-Bozak-Higgins
Hansen-Malholtra-Lapierre


I like those lines, although I would make a slight adjustment.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
McCarthur-Kesler-Kassian
Booth-Bozak-Higgins
Malholtra-Lapierre-Hansen

Edited by VAN_FAN_MATT, 15 January 2013 - 07:33 PM.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:25 PM


I like those lines, although I would make a slight adjustment.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
McCarthur-Kesler-Kassian
Booth-Bozak-Higgins
Malholtra-Lapierre-Hansen




Both lines would work, but I think we should stick to something like this

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows

MacArthur-Kesler-Higgins

Booth-Bozak-Kassian

Hansen-Malhotra-Lappiere

Hamhuis-Bieksa

Edler-Garrison

Ballard-Franson

Scratches/AHL

Tanev-Vandermeer

Barker-Alberts

If this trade, or something similar goes through it would make us equal too, or even better than the Rangers. Since Raymond doesn't fit in the line-up after the trade, I think he could be involved in it if the MPL aren't willing to give up 3 players and a pick for Luongo.

PS - Awesome Proposal :D

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:25 PM

MacArthur is capable of scoring more goals on the second line than eirther of Booth or Raymond. He has scored 20 goals in each of the previous 2 seasons with the Leafs.


so? Booth had a 31 goal season a few years back with the Panthers. Capable is such a weak word when engaged in a discussion
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:08 PM

VFM:

I think you've picked out pretty much the best options the Leafs have available without including Grabovski - whose cap hit is simply too high.

I personally would substitute Frattin for MacArthur for a couple of reasons - none of which have to do with thinking he's a "plug" lol - not many "plugs" have 100 points in the past two seasons and are among the best (relative corsi) players on their team. MacArthur is undoubtedly the player with the higher value at this point, but...

Frattin is a right wing - MacArthur a left wing - we are much deeper on the left side and already have to move both Burrows and Raymond to their off wings. Hansen is the only natural RW in the top 9 - hence drafting Jensen and acquiring Kassian. The Canucks could still use another roster RW.

MacArthur is a 3.2 million cap hit, and a pending UFA like Bozak. Bozak is currently at 1.5 - you're gonna have a hard time not going to sign the two of them for their current 4.7 cap hit - very likely rentals who test the UFA market. Cap space will be tight with Edler, Higgins, Lapierre (and Raymond) all pending UFAs and the ceiling dropping to 64 million...

Frattin on the other hand is an RFA at 925k for another year, who I think could have as much upside as MacArthur. He'd also remain a Canuck for at least another year, and they'd still retain his rights thereafter.

Personally I'd rather see less volume and more of a high end young player in return - ie Couturier or Gudbranson, but if it's the Leafs, I think it has to be volume, and yours is a pretty good proposal imo.

Edited by oldnews, 15 January 2013 - 10:12 PM.

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