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#1 DonLever

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 05:59 AM

In a matter of hours, President Obama will present new control measures today.

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...n-congress.html

Update:

Here they are:

http://www.nytimes.c...l-proposal.html

Edited by DonLever, 16 January 2013 - 02:01 PM.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:11 AM

Someone tell Ziabatsu the great news! He will be full of overwhelming happiness and joyful excitement!

Edited by Red Light Racicot, 16 January 2013 - 06:13 AM.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:53 AM

...more than a dozen executive orders aimed at circumventing congressional opposition to stricter gun control.


Doesn't quite sound democratic :sadno:
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:06 AM

Let us wait and see, versus "jumping the gun" .. either that or flee for the border now .. go ahead .. get a head start!!!
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:22 AM

Civil war in 3.. 2....
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:37 AM

About time...
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 08:42 AM

in the last 10 years the US gov has taken Americans Jobs/ Taken their money now they are going for their guns. Ya this will end well. Soon the Inflation will run double digits. Homeland security will label many Americans Terrorists in the near future as they gave up liberty for security. The Fall of the Empire under hope and change. you can't write this stuff.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:03 AM

Hope I get to hear the talking CDC Pro-Automatic Firearm Heads exploding all the way up here in the Cariboo! :lol:

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:11 AM

We're gonna need a bigger Kleenex...

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:29 AM

Barack Obama will be the 5th US president to go out in assassination with all the NRA nuts running loose.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:35 AM

Even the NRA agrees that these measures are okay.

Sandy Hook = Prompt change.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:46 AM

We're gonna need a bigger Kleenex...

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And the calls go out...

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And at the ready are the first responders:
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:00 AM

Civil war in 3.. 2....


I work with guys from the south and they claim they will go to this level

Taking their guns way would be like taking our hockey sticks away.

You really cant understand the hatred they have for Obama until you submerge yourself in it.

its like nothing I have ever seen before.
Not only is Obama a crappy president but he is black and that cuts deep with these people.
Racism is still very much a part of their lifestyle and Obama has made the typical southern redneck even more pro white.

It's like they are banding together. there is a theory going around that Obama is the Anti-Christ.
They believe the school shooting was orchestrated by the government to push gun control so they can disarm the American citizen.
This isn't just some crazy guy from Texas every one of these guys believe it.
They or a lot of them believe its the illuminati

This is a long video, one of them told me to watch it and its kind of interesting. Not sure I believe everything but there is some basis the theory anyway.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:01 AM

Doesn't quite sound democratic :sadno:

Democracy is more than the simple majority rules model.

It sounds quite democratic as that is the US system of democracy that recognizes there are three branches of government - executive, legislative and judicial - each with their own role to play.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:05 AM

I work with guys from the south and they claim they will go to this level

Taking their guns way would be like taking our hockey sticks away.

You can have my hockey stick when you pry it from my cold, dead, gloved hand.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:37 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk...canada-21049942

During the press conference, the president urged Congress:
  • to ban "military-style" assault weapons such as those used in several recent mass shootings
  • impose limits on ammunition magazines to 10 rounds
  • introduce background checks on all gun sales; currently private sales and some sales at gun shows are exempt
  • pass a ban on possession and sale of armour-piercing bullets
  • introduce new gun-trafficking laws
  • Finally approve the appointment of the head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
  • Mr Obama added he would sign a directive so that government agencies can conduct research into gun crime
The last one there--he has to sign a directive authorizing research?

This seems reasonable, I'd love to hear the arguments as to why armour piercing bullets are necessary.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:02 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21049942

During the press conference, the president urged Congress:

  • to ban "military-style" assault weapons such as those used in several recent mass shootings
  • impose limits on ammunition magazines to 10 rounds
  • introduce background checks on all gun sales; currently private sales and some sales at gun shows are exempt
  • pass a ban on possession and sale of armour-piercing bullets
  • introduce new gun-trafficking laws
  • Finally approve the appointment of the head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
  • Mr Obama added he would sign a directive so that government agencies can conduct research into gun crime
The last one there--he has to sign a directive authorizing research?

This seems reasonable, I'd love to hear the arguments as to why armour piercing bullets are necessary.


To defend yourself against the military.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:03 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk...canada-21049942

During the press conference, the president urged Congress:

  • to ban "military-style" assault weapons such as those used in several recent mass shootings
  • impose limits on ammunition magazines to 10 rounds
  • introduce background checks on all gun sales; currently private sales and some sales at gun shows are exempt
  • pass a ban on possession and sale of armour-piercing bullets
  • introduce new gun-trafficking laws
  • Finally approve the appointment of the head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
  • Mr Obama added he would sign a directive so that government agencies can conduct research into gun crime
The last one there--he has to sign a directive authorizing research?

This seems reasonable, I'd love to hear the arguments as to why armour piercing bullets are necessary.

Armour piercing bullets are necessary because of large number of deer that have taken to donning body armour in recent years.

And President Obama issued 23 Executive Orders while calling on Congress to act. Apparently some federal agencies had been hamstrung because there had been issues of whether gun violence constituted a federal public health hazard.


Without waiting for Congress, President Barack Obama on Wednesday announced a sweeping $500 million program to curb gun violence, setting up a fight over universal background checks and bans on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines, in the wake of the Connecticut school shooting.


Obama also used his presidential powers to issue 23 orders that don't require congressional approval. The largely incremental executive steps include requiring federal agencies to make more data available for background checks, appointing a fulltime director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and directing the Centers for Disease Control to research gun violence.



But the president, speaking at the White House, acknowledged the most effective actions must be taken by lawmakers.

"To make a real and lasting difference, Congress must act," Obama said. "And Congress must act soon."


Obama was flanked by children who wrote him letters about gun violence in the weeks following the Newtown, Conn., shooting. Families of the 20 children killed in the massacre, as well as survivors, were also in the audience along with law-enforcement officers and members of Congress.


"This is our first task as a society, keeping our children safe," Obama said. "This is how we will be judged."


The president based his proposals on recommendations from an administration-wide task force led by Vice President Joe Biden.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/gun-383582-obama-president.html
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:07 AM

Here, according to the White House, are the 23 executive actions that he and his administration will do:

1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."

2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system."

3. "Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system."

4. "Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks."

5. "Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun."

6. "Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers."

7. "Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign."

8. "Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission)."

9. "Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations."

10. "Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement."

11. "Nominate an ATF director."

12. "Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations."

13. "Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime."

14. "Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence."

15. "Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies."

16. "Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."

17. "Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities."

18. "Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers."

19. "Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education."

20. "Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover."

21. "Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges."

22. "Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations."

23. "Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health."
http://news.blogs.cn...posals-shortly/
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:10 AM

How are they not already doing #1.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:17 AM

How are they not already doing #1.

As I noted above:

Apparently some federal agencies had been hamstrung because there had been issues of whether gun violence constituted a federal public health hazard.


The NRA has been very active in opposing such a designation and funding has been denied by Congress for such studies in the past. The fewer federal studies and statistics that are out there the easier it is to claim there is no need for stricter gun control.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:20 AM

And the "on the ground " law enforcement opposition to the proposals begins to kick in.


An Oregon sheriff says he will not enforce any federal regulation that President Barack Obama lays out in his package of gun control proposals Wednesday.


Linn County Sheriff Tim Mueller joins several other public officials across the nation who have decided to square off with the White House even before it outlines what its plans are for expanded measures.


Mueller sent a letter to Vice President Joe Biden this week saying he won't enforce any federal regulation "offending the constitutional rights of my citizens." He won't permit federal officers to come to his county to enforce such laws either, he said.



Mueller's defiant stand exploded into a groundswell of support. His letter -- posted on the department's Facebook page -- earned more than 59,000 likes and shares -- and was growing by the minute.


Over the weekend, Sheriff Denny Peyman of Jackson County, Kentucky, said that he too will disobey any directive from the administration. He told residents in a town hall meeting that the sheriff has more power than the federal government.


"They need to go back and study that. We are a commonwealth. I can ask federal people to leave, they have to leave. I can ask state people to leave, they have to leave," he said.


In Texas, a lawmaker said this week that he will introduce legislation that would make it illegal to enforce a federal gun ban.


"At some point there needs to be a showdown between the states and the federal government over the Supremacy Clause," Republican Rep. Steve Toth told WOAI 1200-AM. "It is our responsibility to push back when those laws are infringed by King Obama."


Local officials don't get to make that call, CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin said.


"A sheriff does not get to decide whether laws are constitutional," he said. "Unless a court invalidates a law, he's obligated to enforce it."


Obama's proposals Wednesday will largely cull from the work of a task force chaired by Biden.


An official familiar with the process said the president's proposal will include universal background checks and bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.


Other recommendations by Biden's panel include tougher enforcement of existing laws, legislators briefed by the vice president said Tuesday.


Support surprises sheriff


In Linn County, the support for Mueller's letter caught the sheriff's office by surprise.


"Sheriff Tim Mueller is humbled and amazed at the support people near and far have expressed to his letter. Thank you!" said a post on the department's Facebook page.


A post by Jill Leiser Crowley of Eugene expressed the opinions of many.


"Thank you for standing up for our Constitutional Rights!!!" it said. "You are doing the right thing for the people of Linn County - I can only hope other counties will follow!!!"


But Karin Hunt, another Oregonian, questioned the sheriff's stance.


"I would expect (an) officer to enforce the laws of Oregon and the U.S.A. whether he agrees with the law or not," she said. "That's taking the law into your own hands."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Sheriff-I-won-t-enforce-Obama-s-gun-laws/-/1637132/18147606/-/j008cf/-/index.html
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:21 AM

As I noted above:

Apparently some federal agencies had been hamstrung because there had been issues of whether gun violence constituted a federal public health hazard.


The NRA has been very active in opposing such a designation and funding has been denied by Congress for such studies in the past. The fewer federal studies and statistics that are out there the easier it is to claim there is no need for stricter gun control.



Yeah, I understand it, I just don't get it.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:26 AM

What a @#$%-show.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:28 AM

Yeah, I understand it, I just don't get it.

It seems pretty clear. In this debate the fewer studies and statistics that can poke holes in the NRA position, the better.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:28 AM

It seems pretty clear. In this debate the fewer studies and statistics that can poke holes in the NRA position, the better.


:rolleyes: Never mind.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:29 AM

And as one supporter of Oregon Sheriff Tim Mueller vows:

"Constitutional changes must be made properly with Congressional and judicial approval, and by a majority of the citizens of the USA, not by the order of a tyrant in Washington D.C.!!!" said Rick Carter of Pendleton. "I stand with the brave Sheriff!"
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:31 AM

16. "Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.


If he really want to have fun he should make it legal for insurers to ask if people have guns in their homes. Given that your life expectancy goes way down if you have guns in your home that should be allowed to be reflected in life insurance rates....
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:32 AM

And the "on the ground " law enforcement opposition to the proposals begins to kick in.


Spoiler


And the stupidity begins :sadno: I guess having that fully automatic weapon in your possession is far more important than the lives of children and innocent parties. I've said it before, and I'll say it again......automatic weapons have no place in the hands of Joe Q Public. And the only purpose, of armour-piercing bullets is to kill someone wearing body armour. In other words, their only purpose is to kill people. Yep, those are really required and deserve defending with so-called constitutional 'rights'.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:56 AM

And the stupidity begins :sadno: I guess having that fully automatic weapon in your possession is far more important than the lives of children and innocent parties. I've said it before, and I'll say it again......automatic weapons have no place in the hands of Joe Q Public. And the only purpose, of armour-piercing bullets is to kill someone wearing body armour. In other words, their only purpose is to kill people. Yep, those are really required and deserve defending with so-called constitutional 'rights'.

The strong Second Amendment proponents and NRA would argue that since the Second Amendment guards against tyranny by their own overnemnt such ammunition is required to be able to resist the military and police who could oppress them.

Completely wack-a-doodle reasoning IMHO but it has received support at the Supreme Court of the US.
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