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#31 Bertuzzi Babe

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:02 PM

The strong Second Amendment proponents and NRA would argue that since the Second Amendment guards against tyranny by their own overnemnt such ammunition is required to be able to resist the military and police who could oppress them.

Completely wack-a-doodle reasoning IMHO but it has received support at the Supreme Court of the US.


I agree, wack-a-doodle beyond belief and you have to feel nothing but pity for a nation that feels such paranoia in their every day life that they must have such ammunition and automatic weapons immediately at their disposal in order to curb their 'government turning on them'.

Thank God, (or the Flying Spaghetti Monster for some), I live in a country such as Canada. No, it may not be perfect but the majority of Canadians don't feel the need to stockpile automatic weapons and bullets whose only purpose is to kill people in order to feel safe from our politicians.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:05 PM

USA will not face another civil war, itīs simple. with this economy and global "situation" another war between north and south will simply destroy US as a country very, very fast.


even with diferences itīs just a "gun control", you still can have your gun to protect yourself and your family. but now people have some rules/limits. if you are not a serial killer/moron/terrorits you donīt have to be worried about.

of course will be hard for many americans because if possible they would have a tank on their houses or even a nuclear bomb. but you donīt need a military rifle on your house, this weapon isnīt designed to protect yourself, itīs designed to kill people 2 miles away!


Iīm not against weapons, I would like to have one (legally) if our stupid president and politics werenīt a bunch of ignorants and corrupts with "human rights" releasing bandits and killers on our streets. while good citizens cannot go outside without be afraid of being killed on the next street!

but of course, the government must check if you are sane enought to have a weapon and why you need one, how you will keep this weapon and whatīs your skill with one, many people have guns but they donīt know how shoot! and when they do something goes REALLY WRONG!

itīs a weapon, soo it must have a license to have one. like cars, planes, trains and ships. you must prove you can have one with skills...
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:16 PM

The strong Second Amendment proponents and NRA would argue that since the Second Amendment guards against tyranny by their own overnemnt such ammunition is required to be able to resist the military and police who could oppress them.

Completely wack-a-doodle reasoning IMHO but it has received support at the Supreme Court of the US.


Question then becomes, what checks and balances are there on the military and police who do have them, and the governments who pull their strings? Who's to say they can't go bad when the situation becomes dire and they fall under the control of the wrong people? What absolute foolproof PHYSICAL safeguards do we have to guarantee against this worst case scenario?

Oh what the Chinese and the North Korean citizenry could do if they had firepower that was on par with that of the police and the military.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:19 PM

And the stupidity begins :sadno: I guess having that fully automatic weapon in your possession is far more important than the lives of children and innocent parties. I've said it before, and I'll say it again......automatic weapons have no place in the hands of Joe Q Public. And the only purpose, of armour-piercing bullets is to kill someone wearing body armour. In other words, their only purpose is to kill people. Yep, those are really required and deserve defending with so-called constitutional 'rights'.


And don't be surprised if the NRA and other pro-gun lobbyists point out that Holmes was wearing body armour and therefore they need armour-piercing rounds to protect themselves from boogeymen. You almost feel sorry for all these nuts who constantly live in fear.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:19 PM

What's so wacky about the "regime change" aspect of the 2A?

What *is* wacky is depending on paper laws to save you when you've got an authoritarian government on your hands.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:33 PM

What's so wacky about the "regime change" aspect of the 2A?

What *is* wacky is depending on paper laws to save you when you've got an authoritarian government on your hands.

All I need do is read your post to intuit answers to those questions.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:35 PM

Question then becomes, what checks and balances are there on the military and police who do have them, and the governments who pull their strings? Who's to say they can't go bad when the situation becomes dire and they fall under the control of the wrong people? What absolute foolproof PHYSICAL safeguards do we have to guarantee against this worst case scenario?

Oh what the Chinese and the North Korean citizenry could do if they had firepower that was on par with that of the police and the military.

Ah yes the Land of the Not-So-Free and the Home of the Afraid as my cousin (a Texan born and bred who volunteered for Vietnam and was wounded) - his take on what his country has become.

The conspiracy nuts seem to hold sway.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:47 PM

All I need do is read your post to intuit answers to those questions.


Now is that before or after your fifth glass of scotch?

Anyways, the U.S. becoming The Land of the Not-so Free and the Home of the Afraid is yet one more thing we have to thank the Baby Boom generation for, both on the political and on the electorate side of things.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:56 PM

President doesn't have authority of legislation.. oh no he authorised research (wonder what it'll say :lol:)! Oh no he beckoned Congress to pass gun control laws (which won't pass)!

Not sure why all the hype in the first page.. nothing happened. What isn't surprising, but still just as funny, is how Obama's fans get all tickled pink when he speaks, a reaction much like teenage girls seeing Robert Pattinson in a new Twilight trailer . :lol:

If anything, I see more state level gun control measures, as Obama is (despite his announcements which greatly excite his fans), sufficed to say, handcuffed.

Edited by zaibatsu, 16 January 2013 - 01:00 PM.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:57 PM

Too good of a man to be leading a country like the US. So sad to see how many people are still making excuses for the average citizen possessing assault weapons.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:17 PM

Ah yes the Land of the Not-So-Free and the Home of the Afraid as my cousin (a Texan born and bred who volunteered for Vietnam and was wounded) - his take on what his country has become.

The conspiracy nuts seem to hold sway.


Don't class me as one of the conspiracy nuts. Just somebody who wants some assurance, and sees the occasional random shooting as the lesser evil compared to mass tyranny and dictatorship.

Edited by Buggernut, 16 January 2013 - 01:17 PM.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:23 PM

Don't class me as one of the conspiracy nuts. Just somebody who wants some assurance, and sees the occasional random shooting as the lesser evil compared to mass tyranny and dictatorship.

Keep in mind here that criticism of the Obama administration or believing in consistent checks against government (which means not blindly trusting government) means you're automatically placed in the "conspiracy nut" class. I'm not sure if it's a BC or a CDC thing in particular to think of things like this in American-esque polarised terms but nonetheless pretty mind boggling.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:25 PM

Don't class me as one of the conspiracy nuts. Just somebody who wants some assurance, and sees the occasional random shooting as the lesser evil compared to mass tyranny and dictatorship.

Mass tyranny and dictatorship??? :lol:

If the shoe fits...

And such sentiments are in the forefront of the concerns of elected US politicians as well. Pretty clearly President Obama is “cynically and systematically using his position as President to lead the country.” God forbid, eh?

Oh yeah and what is Obama facing according to a Republican Texas Congressman - impeachment and/or deportation because ya know he was not born in the US of A and his birth certificate is fake, eh?


Responding to reports that President Obama is considering signing as many as nineteen executive orders on gun control, Republicans in Congress unleashed a blistering attack on him today, accusing Mr. Obama of “cynically and systematically using his position as President to lead the country.”


Spearheading the offensive was Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas), who charged the President with the “wanton exploitation of powers that are legally granted to him under the U.S. Constitution.”


Calling him the “Law Professor-in-Chief,” Rep. Stockman accused Mr. Obama of “manipulating a little-known section of the Constitution,” Article II, which outlines the power of the President. (my note the Law Professor-in-Chief crack was first used by Sarah Palin for which she was roundly ripped.)


“President Obama looks down the list of all of the powers that are legally his and he’s like a kid in a candy store,” Rep. Stockman said. “It’s nauseating.”


The Texas congressman said that if Mr. Obama persists in executing the office of the Presidency as defined by the Constitution, he could face “impeachment and/or deportation.”


Noting that the President has not yet signed the executive orders on gun control, Rep. Stockman said that he hoped his stern words would serve as a wake-up call to Mr. Obama: “Mr. President, there’s still time for you to get in line. But if you continue to fulfill the duties of President of the United States that are expressly permitted in the Constitution, you are playing with fire.”

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/01/republicans-accuse-obama-of-using-position-as-president-to-lead-country.html#ixzz2IAiGaqEX

Bizarre.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:26 PM

Keep in mind here that criticism of the Obama administration or believing in consistent checks against government (which means not blindly trusting government) means you're automatically placed in the "conspiracy nut" class. I'm not sure if it's a BC or a CDC thing in particular to think of things like this in American-esque polarised terms but nonetheless pretty mind boggling.

If the shoe fits... and it does.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

If the shoe fits... and it does.

Does the "shoe" fit on roughly 48%+ of the voting US populace?

Far too mundane and passive aggressive of a term, but not surprising in the least coming from you.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:34 PM

Does the "shoe" fit on roughly 48%+ of the voting US populace?

Far too mundane and passive aggressive of a term, but not surprising in the least coming from you.

As my mentor and guru the late George Carlin has noted:

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:37 PM

As my mentor and guru the late George Carlin has noted:

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

That doesn't answer the question at all.. how about answering directly without hiding behind quotes from other people.

If you believe 48%+ of people are at this extreme end of the spectrum, you are in fact one of these people, because that itself is a conspiracy.

Edited by zaibatsu, 16 January 2013 - 01:37 PM.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:37 PM

And such sentiments are in the forefront of the concerns of elected US politicians as well. Pretty clearly President Obama is “cynically and systematically using his position as President to lead the country.” God forbid, eh?

Oh yeah and what is Obama facing according to a Republican Texas Congressman - impeachment and/or deportation because ya know he was not born in the US of A and his birth certificate is fake, eh?


Spoiler


Bizarre.


Ain't that the truth........


If the shoe fits... and it does.


All around the cobbler's bench.......


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:43 PM

If I was Secret Service for the inauguration I would be feeling an heightened sense of impending disaster.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

That doesn't answer the question at all.. how about answering directly without hiding behind quotes from other people.

If you believe 48%+ of people are at this extreme end of the spectrum, you are in fact one of these people, because that itself is a conspiracy.

The answer seems clear.

A lot of stupid, uninformed and ignorant people wandering about.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

Mass tyranny and dictatorship??? :lol:

If the shoe fits...


Is it PHYSICALLY impossible? It doesn't seem that way in many other parts of the world. The people there must live under a different set of physical laws or have minds that are fundamentally hardwired differently from ours.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

The answer seems clear.

A lot of stupid, uninformed and ignorant people wandering about.

If anything is clear, at least you can humorously feel superior to some group of people about something, even if it unintelligently caricatures a very wide portion of the population. You and Mitt Romney should do lunch.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:13 PM

Keep in mind here that criticism of the Obama administration or believing in consistent checks against government (which means not blindly trusting government) means you're automatically placed in the "conspiracy nut" class.


Could there be a distinction between conspiracy nuts and precaution nuts? The latter too may seem to go overboard, but expect a mountain of egg on your face and a relentless barrage of "I told you so!!!"'s if there's ever an incident when we're ever proven right?
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:16 PM

Question then becomes, what checks and balances are there on the military and police who do have them, and the governments who pull their strings?


What "chacks and balances are there anywher else in the world. The U.K.? France? Sweden? Japan? Here in Canada?

AFAIK, the USA and all of these other countries have the option of voting someone they don't like out of office. If memory serves, the citizenry of the US just decided that Obama is their guy, despite what blowhards like Alex Jones and this clown representative from Texas might think.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:21 PM

What "chacks and balances are there anywher else in the world. The U.K.? France? Sweden? Japan? Here in Canada?


Is there any guarantee that none of them will ever, ever, ever destabilize and fall into chaos? Nearby China and North Korea had no problem falling under a dictatorship. How can you guarantee that things will remain so peachy for thousands of years to come?

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

The pro-gun people really have nothing to fear because the Republicans are in the majority in Congress. I don't see how any of the legislative meaures will be able to pass Congress. The only reason the 1994 assault weapon ban succceded was that the Democrats controlled both houses. And because of the 1994 ban, the Republicans was able to gain control Congress for the first time in 60 years in the 1996 elections.

In the 2014 elections, the Republicans will likely retain their majority or increase their majority in Congress. Every Democrat in conservative rural districts face the possiblility of losing their seats. Furthermore, the Democrats could even lose control of the Senate.

So President Obama is really playing with fire with the gun control legislation. If he loses both houses, he will have difficulty in passing any legislation.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:04 PM

Whats "whack a doodle" is that he places mental heath at the bottom of the list, yet evey one of these mass killings was done by a"whack a doodle".Nice prioratizing. Says it all for me. By the way, is whack a doodle a legal term?:)
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:34 PM

It's a step in the right direction....but with the amount of AR-15's and other assorted semi-automatic long guns, and high capacity magazines, already in circulation, and which fall under a 'grandfathering'....this isn't really even a band-aid, as much as it's the illusion of a band-aid.

Essentially, the country of the United States, as it pertains to gun violence, is a airplane in a nose-dive.....and these 'protective' measures are seat-belts.

I pose that an ongoing federal gun buy back program, well funded, well organized nationwide, that had a consistent and constant presence in as many towns and cities as it could logistically and financially possibly be in, would do more for taking more of these large calibered battlefield war tools so that there are simply less of a cache that could potentially be turned on the populace at large.

I suppose every journey begins with a step, large or small....so at least there's that, with the measures announced today...

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:47 PM

Whats "whack a doodle" is that he places mental heath at the bottom of the list, yet evey one of these mass killings was done by a"whack a doodle".Nice prioratizing. Says it all for me. By the way, is whack a doodle a legal term? :)


Actually in alot of these cases the shooter can't even be labelled insane. They're seemingly normal people that just snap.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:52 PM

Ah come on nows folks, if regime change weapons were so bad, then why did Saint Obama authorize their sale to Mexican Cartels and Syrian "freedom fighters?"
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