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#61 DeNiro

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:57 PM

Ah come on nows folks, if regime change weapons were so bad, then why did Saint Obama authorize their sale to Mexican Cartels and Syrian "freedom fighters?"


In order to shift the demand from the American public to other countries? Therefore not doing damage to the American gun manufacturing industry.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

Ah come on nows folks, if regime change weapons were so bad, then why did Saint Obama authorize their sale to Mexican Cartels and Syrian "freedom fighters?"


So right wing-nut Re-thugs have something to focus their ire upon? .. just a guess ..
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 04:24 PM

Is there any guarantee that none of them will ever, ever, ever destabilize and fall into chaos?  Nearby China and North Korea had no problem falling under a dictatorship.  How can you guarantee that things will remain so peachy for thousands of years to come?


I can't. But I can guarantee that it's a far less likely scenario than some nutjob taking a semi-automatic with a high capacity magazine into a school and indiscriminantly shooting children.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 04:28 PM

Ah come on nows folks, if regime change weapons were so bad, then why did Saint Obama authorize their sale to Mexican Cartels and Syrian "freedom fighters?"


I don't believe Obama had a personal hand in the botched drug operation, and the U.S. has historically attempted to assist those opposing a tyrannical dictator...as they did in Libya, as they're now doing so in Syria, and as they've done so at other times in their past....ask the 'freedom fighters' of the French Resistance.

What makes you to desire hanging a botched drug enforcement operation solely on him though?
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 05:25 PM

I can't. But I can guarantee that it's a far less likely scenario than some nutjob taking a semi-automatic with a high capacity magazine into a school and indiscriminantly shooting children.

WHAT!?!? Its far less likely but carries FAR FAR greater risk. You think whats happening in North-Korea isn't as bad as Sandy Hook? Some really dumb posts on CDC today.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 05:36 PM

And the stupidity begins :sadno: I guess having that fully automatic weapon in your possession is far more important than the lives of children and innocent parties. I've said it before, and I'll say it again......automatic weapons have no place in the hands of Joe Q Public. And the only purpose, of armour-piercing bullets is to kill someone wearing body armour. In other words, their only purpose is to kill people. Yep, those are really required and deserve defending with so-called constitutional 'rights'.


Cmon, really. I expect better. They are looking to put restrictions on semi-automatic guns. Not fully automatic guns which are allready really really hard to get and are heavily regulated.

You can't say they don't have a place either because they do. To protect against tyrannical governments. Can you please show some evidence that the USA isn't becoming more and more of a police state?
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 05:59 PM

Cmon, really. I expect better. They are looking to put restrictions on semi-automatic guns. Not fully automatic guns which are allready really really hard to get and are heavily regulated.

You can't say they don't have a place either because they do. To protect against tyrannical governments. Can you please show some evidence that the USA isn't becoming more and more of a police state?


So just how do you plan on protecting yourself from those drone strikes, and the Abram tanks when they push your house trailer over looking for you? .. you gonna dig a deeper hole and cower lower?? .. your premise is that a semi-auto, with a bullet the size of a pea, is gonna shoot em down? .. blow a tread off? .. I. Sir, have heard it all :lol:
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:01 PM

WHAT!?!? Its far less likely but carries FAR FAR greater risk. You think whats happening in North-Korea isn't as bad as Sandy Hook? Some really dumb posts on CDC today.


But .. but .. America is the land favored by "GOD HIMSELF" .. HE would never let that happen, would he? .. well maybe, as HE does like to test folks on occasion .. just ask Lot ..
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:10 PM

Cmon, really. I expect better. They are looking to put restrictions on semi-automatic guns. Not fully automatic guns which are allready really really hard to get and are heavily regulated.

You can't say they don't have a place either because they do. To protect against tyrannical governments. Can you please show some evidence that the USA isn't becoming more and more of a police state?


"Tyrannical governments"

"Police State"


What? The government of the USA?

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The paranoia runneth rampant in some......... c'mon back and post when you actually are facing a tyrannical government........you know....like some Middle East Countries and the like. Phhhhhhtttt..........please, 'tyrannical government' indeed.... yep, those jackboots should be clomping down a cobblestoned avenue near you any day now.......

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:20 PM

Cmon, really. I expect better. They are looking to put restrictions on semi-automatic guns. Not fully automatic guns which are allready really really hard to get and are heavily regulated.

You can't say they don't have a place either because they do. To protect against tyrannical governments. Can you please show some evidence that the USA isn't becoming more and more of a police state?

Don't feed the trolls. Ignore function is best. The more people that ignore them, the more time they waste responding in futility to posts.

http://www.theatlant...gun-list/61075/

What I find about the "23 executive actions" is, well.. much ado about nothing. I guess Obama sycophants like those cheering in the first page expected him to single handedly uproot the Constitution. :lol:

Edited by zaibatsu, 16 January 2013 - 06:21 PM.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:22 PM

Don't feed the trolls. Ignore function is best. The more people that ignore them, the more time they waste responding in futility to posts.

http://www.theatlant...gun-list/61075/

What I find about the "23 executive actions" is, well.. much ado about nothing. I guess Obama sycophants like those cheering in the first page expected him to single handedly uproot the Constitution. :lol:


You would starve to death first, huh? .. :lol:
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:23 PM

Don't feed the trolls. Ignore function is best. The more people that ignore them, the more time they waste responding in futility to posts.


Speaking specifically and directly to the post content above: You need to look up the definition of troll as it applies to a message board before you start throwing it around like you know what it actually means. Fortunately, I do know the definition and recognize one when it presents itself.


You would starve to death first, huh? .. :lol:


:lol: Indeed, it would so.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:34 PM

Democracy is more than the simple majority rules model.

It sounds quite democratic as that is the US system of democracy that recognizes there are three branches of government - executive, legislative and judicial - each with their own role to play.


Considering this is a very hot-topic issue with a large portion of the population going to disagree with Obama's plans.... wouldn't it be better to have the issue dealt with through Congress, the Senate, etc?

Plus, wouldn't the effect of his action be a unconstitutional, thus getting the Supreme Courts involved?
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:57 PM

Considering this is a very hot-topic issue with a large portion of the population going to disagree with Obama's plans.... wouldn't it be better to have the issue dealt with through Congress, the Senate, etc?

Plus, wouldn't the effect of his action be a unconstitutional, thus getting the Supreme Courts involved?

It depends on what he does. If he were to implement outright assault rifle bans, well, that very well can set up a show down with SCOTUS which likely wouldn't end well for the executive order as it is, like the line item veto Clinton employed, not even authorised by the Constitution. Of course, there is a bit of history with the executive order that spans for a significant portion of US' existence, but SCOTUS nowadays is far more "active" and politically motivated in rulings than before so relatively difficult to predict sometimes. Still, SCOTUS has been involved in the gun issue as well and (for now) sides with guns (aka the Constitution), so the President would not be setting himself and future Presidents up well. And given his about face on the NSA-AT&T issue he once criticised as a state and US Senator, until he was going to become President, Obama certainly would like to continue making use of the executive order so it was a given he would shy away from a big confrontation.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:02 PM

Newsflash: pretty much every current or historical tyranny needed time to get up and running, the Bolsheviks, National Socialist Germany, North Korea, all started out being much less nasty than they'd later become, but even at their early going the signs were clearly there.

It takes time to implement mechanisms of control and deal with those seen as threats and liabilities. If anyone thinks the likes of the Patriot Act and NDAA is worrisome, imagine what lies further down that road?


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:11 PM

If America ever has a dictator, he, or she, will be a Republican ..
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:13 PM

Newsflash: pretty much every current or historical tyranny needed time to get up and running, the Bolsheviks, National Socialist Germany, North Korea, all started out being much less nasty than they'd later become, but even at their early going the signs were clearly there.

It takes time to implement mechanisms of control and deal with those seen as threats and liabilities. If anyone thinks the likes of the Patriot Act and NDAA is worrisome, imagine what lies further down that road?

It was only worrisome when Bush was in office.. if you go by CDC outrage. :lol: Obama can't abuse his authority.. he's such a great looking guy and a great speaker.. so dreamy.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:15 PM

If America ever has a dictator, he, or she, will be a Republican ..


Without a doubt. Gad I feel almost sorry for these sad sack paranoiacs. What a horrible way to live.....watching over your shoulder every day for THE MAN.......fortunately, enlightened folk are free to enjoy their lives........

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:21 PM

Don't feed the trolls. Ignore function is best. The more people that ignore them, the more time they waste responding in futility to posts.

http://www.theatlant...gun-list/61075/

What I find about the "23 executive actions" is, well.. much ado about nothing. I guess Obama sycophants like those cheering in the first page expected him to single handedly uproot the Constitution. :lol:


I find it ironic that you sit here criticizing people for plugging their ears about the 'truth about guns and gun violence, yet here you promote ignoring and apparently ignore the people who disagree with you. Your ears must be full of plugs.

I disagree with a lot of people about a lot of things here, but the last thing I'd do is ignore any of them. To willfully block those you disagree with just so you don't have to hear their opinion is pathetic.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

Considering this is a very hot-topic issue with a large portion of the population going to disagree with Obama's plans.... wouldn't it be better to have the issue dealt with through Congress, the Senate, etc?

Plus, wouldn't the effect of his action be a unconstitutional, thus getting the Supreme Courts involved?

It is called leadership.

And from what I have seen thus far his Executive Orders seem to fall within his powers under the Constitution.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:38 PM

Mass tyranny and dictatorship??? :lol:

If the shoe fits...

And such sentiments are in the forefront of the concerns of elected US politicians as well. Pretty clearly President Obama is “cynically and systematically using his position as President to lead the country.” God forbid, eh?

Oh yeah and what is Obama facing according to a Republican Texas Congressman - impeachment and/or deportation because ya know he was not born in the US of A and his birth certificate is fake, eh?



Responding to reports that President Obama is considering signing as many as nineteen executive orders on gun control, Republicans in Congress unleashed a blistering attack on him today, accusing Mr. Obama of “cynically and systematically using his position as President to lead the country.”


Spearheading the offensive was Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas), who charged the President with the “wanton exploitation of powers that are legally granted to him under the U.S. Constitution.”


Calling him the “Law Professor-in-Chief,” Rep. Stockman accused Mr. Obama of “manipulating a little-known section of the Constitution,” Article II, which outlines the power of the President. (my note the Law Professor-in-Chief crack was first used by Sarah Palin for which she was roundly ripped.)


“President Obama looks down the list of all of the powers that are legally his and he’s like a kid in a candy store,” Rep. Stockman said. “It’s nauseating.”


The Texas congressman said that if Mr. Obama persists in executing the office of the Presidency as defined by the Constitution, he could face “impeachment and/or deportation.”


Noting that the President has not yet signed the executive orders on gun control, Rep. Stockman said that he hoped his stern words would serve as a wake-up call to Mr. Obama: “Mr. President, there’s still time for you to get in line. But if you continue to fulfill the duties of President of the United States that are expressly permitted in the Constitution, you are playing with fire.”

http://www.newyorker...l#ixzz2IAiGaqEX

Bizarre.


So he is playing with fire using his constituional powers but going ahead and citing the constitution so you can play with firearms is totally the american way?

Never been more in agreement with you wet this is outright bizarre. Makes the NDP seem competant in comparison.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:39 PM

If America ever has a dictator, he, or she, will be a Republican ..


The way that they have been blocking any and everything from going through congress is more a sign of dictatorship than anything Obama is doing to say the least.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:56 PM

"Tyrannical governments"

"Police State"


What? The government of the USA?

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The paranoia runneth rampant in some......... c'mon back and post when you actually are facing a tyrannical government........you know....like some Middle East Countries and the like. Phhhhhhtttt..........please, 'tyrannical government' indeed.... yep, those jackboots should be clomping down a cobblestoned avenue near you any day now.......


Paranoid? I'm not paranoid. I'm cautious. I'm not saying we are facing a tyrannical government right now either. But the signs in the USA say it could happen one day.

One of the things that really bothers me is that mainstream media consistently refers to these weapons as Assault Weapons. I'm not saying they aren't... but a better definition is a Semi-Automatic Rifle. They try to use this term as seldomly as possible. Why? Semi-automatic rifles aren't as scary as Assault weapons. They definetly have an agenda going on and it is to strip rights away from American Citizens. There is no denying that.

Many people believe an assault weapon is a fully automatic rifle. I'm not trying to attack you BertuzziBabe but in your first post you said something along the lines of "I don't see the need for them to possess Automatic Weapons". Go ask other random people around town what an assault weapon is. Most I've talked to say its a fully automatic weapon. (It isn't)

There is also no denying that a tyrannical government has an easier time controlling an unarmed population. Its too bad that if you bring up this point people try to label you as paranoid, lunatic, right winger, etc.

Not trusting your government now labels you insane according to most of the posters on CDC.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:57 PM

If America ever has a dictator, he, or she, will be a Republican ..


Meh. I bet it will be a democrat. No one will expect it because only a republican could be corrupt and power hungry. :frantic:
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:10 PM

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in the last 10 years the US gov has taken Americans Jobs/ Taken their money now they are going for their guns. Ya this will end well. Soon the Inflation will run double digits. Homeland security will label many Americans Terrorists in the near future as they gave up liberty for security. The Fall of the Empire under hope and change. you can't write this stuff.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:19 PM

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:44 PM

President doesn't have authority of legislation.. oh no he authorised research (wonder what it'll say :lol:)! Oh no he beckoned Congress to pass gun control laws (which won't pass)!

Not sure why all the hype in the first page.. nothing happened. What isn't surprising, but still just as funny, is how Obama's fans get all tickled pink when he speaks, a reaction much like teenage girls seeing Robert Pattinson in a new Twilight trailer . :lol:

If anything, I see more state level gun control measures, as Obama is (despite his announcements which greatly excite his fans), sufficed to say, handcuffed.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:46 PM

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:48 PM

Don't class me as one of the conspiracy nuts. Just somebody who wants some assurance, and sees the occasional random shooting as the lesser evil compared to mass tyranny and dictatorship.


Tyranny and dictatorship??
If you call the US government a tyrant and a dictator then what would you call the regime in North Korea??
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:57 PM

The pro-gun people really have nothing to fear because the Republicans are in the majority in Congress. I don't see how any of the legislative meaures will be able to pass Congress. The only reason the 1994 assault weapon ban succceded was that the Democrats controlled both houses. And because of the 1994 ban, the Republicans was able to gain control Congress for the first time in 60 years in the 1996 elections.

In the 2014 elections, the Republicans will likely retain their majority or increase their majority in Congress. Every Democrat in conservative rural districts face the possiblility of losing their seats. Furthermore, the Democrats could even lose control of the Senate.

So President Obama is really playing with fire with the gun control legislation. If he loses both houses, he will have difficulty in passing any legislation.


At least he is a man of his words. He did say in his mourning speech after the school shooting that he will try to make some changes to the gun laws and promised to do what he can to see those changes take place.
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