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#31 Wetcoaster

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:49 PM

The feds are lowering those payments regardless.

Seems not.

Total CHT cash levels are set in legislation up to 2013-14 and grow by 6 per cent annually as a result of the automatic escalator. The Government announced in December 2011 that total CHT cash would keep growing at 6 per cent until 2016-17. Starting in 2017-18, total CHT cash will grow in line with a three-year moving average of nominal Gross Domestic Product, with funding guaranteed to increase by at least 3 per cent per year.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:49 PM

You missed the point... again.

Claims are being made that there is a constitutional right to health care and even free health care by some people.






The difference is critical because if it is a constitutional right enforceable under the Charter as opposed to a legal right enforceable under the Canada health Act then it is part of the supreme law of Canada.

Le sigh, indeed.


Oh, I wasn't in disagreement about that at all. In fact, as you note, I responded with "I seriously doubt that". But thank you for confirming.

I was simply making a comment about how some people (as noted in your response) do want to make it a constitutional right.

Much like the people that are doing the suing seem to think that free parking at the hospital is some sort of right.

My comment was simply that if they did have their way and it was a right it would be a path to bankruptcy.

That's all.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:52 PM

Seems not.

Total CHT cash levels are set in legislation up to 2013-14 and grow by 6 per cent annually as a result of the automatic escalator. The Government announced in December 2011 that total CHT cash would keep growing at 6 per cent until 2016-17. Starting in 2017-18, total CHT cash will grow in line with a three-year moving average of nominal Gross Domestic Product, with funding guaranteed to increase by at least 3 per cent per year.

http://www.fin.gc.ca...rov/cht-eng.asp




How people go around talking about health care cuts when in fact the budgets are growing far in excess of inflation is beyond me.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:00 PM

Seems not.

The federal share was much larger than what it is now.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:22 PM

The federal share was much larger than what it is now.

That was not what you claimed.

Those cuts date back to when Paul Martin was the Finance Minster in the Chretien government. The Conservatives have been ramping up dollars and its share from that time.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:37 PM

Yes it is. I said 'the feds.'

Your blind 'must defend Harper' act led you to believe that i meant Harper's feds. Anyway, this is off-topic.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:37 PM

'Wow' at 3 percent increases btw. Is that even inflation?

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:40 PM

I'm more interested on your take on the Newfoundland lawsuit.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:40 PM

That was not what you claimed.

Those cuts date back to when Paul Martin was the Finance Minster in the Chretien government. The Conservatives have been ramping up dollars and its share from that time.


But the problem is not the Paul Martin cuts it's the exponential growth in costs.

At least the Paul Martin cuts balanced the budgets which reduced interest charges on the debt. Imagine how much we would be paying on interest now were it not for that period of keeping the books in order. It's for that reason (and the resource economy) Canada has fared the best in the global financial crisis though our population and politicians seem determined to try to replicate the world's mistakes even if we are late to the party.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:43 PM

'Wow' at 3 percent increases btw. Is that even inflation?


It's 6 percent for the next several years. That rate doesn't even kick in until years from now.

At that time for all we know we could be facing deflation.

Right now it depends on how you want to define inflation but the traditional metric (which cuts out volatile things like food and fuel as if we don't actually need that) has it more like 2%.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:49 PM

If there is free parking, that means lost revenue. Loss revenue will have to be made up from higher fees, taxes, or service cuts.

Plus if there is free parking, people will park there for a long time, maybe all day. Suppose you are patient who has a cancer appointment. You may have to search and search for a spot if the lot is full.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:57 PM

There are plenty of ways to arrange transport to a hospital.

If you're well enough to drive yourself there, you're well enough to find a spot in the neighbourhood.
If you're not, you won't balk at paying a couple of bucks if you cannot find anyone to drive you.


I agree 100%. It's a fee, people. It's not like parking fees are brand new. Get over it and fork over the couple of bucks.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:04 PM

Well if they get rid of parking fees, then the price of something else will get jacked up to compensate for it.
It's pretty much just an argument about how they are going to take your money.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:32 PM

Paid parking does not prevent anyone from obtaining access to a hospital/healthcare.

If you are sick enough to be admitted through the ER/hospital, then you probably should not be driving. After all, when you are discharged you will have to have someone drive you home.

You could even consider having someone drop you off at the hospital.

Further, driving an automobile is not a right. It comes with responsibilities like paying insurance, fuel and maintenance, and yes, parking fees.

I have been to hospitals where you had to pay to park, and others that were free. Parking at the hospital is a short term thing.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

Well if they get rid of parking fees, then the price of something else will get jacked up to compensate for it.
It's pretty much just an argument about how they are going to take your money.

People do not know how much their healthcare really costs.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

'Wow' at 3 percent increases btw. Is that even inflation?

Apparently.


Year-Annual Rate

2011-2.9%
2010-1.8%
2009-0.3%
2008-2.4%
2007-2.1%
2006-2%
2005-2.2%
2004-1.9%
2003-2.8%
http://www.rateinfla...-inflation-rate

Perhaps you need to do some research and be able to frame your claims in language so that they are supportable.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:59 PM

And perhaps you should try to stay on-topic.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:02 PM

Meaning, "Hey, how 'bout that Newfoundland lawsuit? Can the guy win the case or not?"

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:21 PM

Parking at hospitals is insane. It adds more stress to what is usually already a stressful situation
Talk about price gouging people who are desperate
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:44 PM

It's true - parking is not a right.

One might consider the possibility of providing daily passes at a discounted rate for seniors and low-income households though. Household income is tied to your medical coverage payments, so it would be pretty easy to determine and prove.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:27 PM

And perhaps you should try to stay on-topic.

I am.

I am simply correcting your inaccurate statements.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:29 PM

"No!

Must...

Defend...

Harper!"


lol

You seem to be the one wandering off-topic.

I presented facts and you went off the deep end attributing something to me that was non-existent.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:55 PM

Thing is, i was totally getting along with you in this thread until you misinterpreted something i said. Meanwhile, not answering a question regarding the main point of the thread is once again the gameplan. Yawn.

It's too bad. I was actually hoping for your opinion on the Newfoundland lawsuit, (whether or not the guy can win, or whether or not the case will be thrown out) since you seem to have some experience in law.

In fact i was expecting a full report on it.

I am disappoint.

Edited by TOMapleLaughs, 18 January 2013 - 06:56 PM.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:02 PM

Oh SNAP, you DID already respond to it. My apologies. I must've had 'Wet wall of text ignore mode' set to on.

Anyway, nevermind. Turns out we totally agree.

Cheers.

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