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#1 Lui's Knob

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:16 PM

With Kesler and booth in or out the Canucks are thin in offensive top end talent compared to LA or Chicago. If someone wanted to do a team by team breakdown it d be interesting to look at. This comes up as sportsnet panel all picked other than John Shannon to win the west (although lose again to Pittsburgh)
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:17 PM

Without Kesler and Booth our top 6 is almost as bad as Calgary's, and that's pretty bad.

But really it is the top 9 that wins you the Cup, not top 6.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:19 PM

LA has the best

Penner Carter William
Gagne Richard Brown

that is a stacked top 6 with skilled, speed, and toughness
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:20 PM

And no Kopitar there lol
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:21 PM

LA has the best

Penner Carter William
Gagne Richard Brown

that is a stacked top 6 with skilled, speed, and toughness


Ya, LA looks pretty good with Philly's junk. Crazy that Holmgren gets so much credit in his rebuild (deservingly so), only to have the players he traded go on to win a cup that same year.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:38 PM

Ya, LA looks pretty good with Philly's junk. Crazy that Holmgren gets so much credit in his rebuild (deservingly so), only to have the players he traded go on to win a cup that same year.

It even more scarier that they still missing Kopitar and that top 6 is super stacked yikes.........we have nothing close to match that
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:54 PM

My gut tells me that we will still be able to win enough games in our conference to be in the playoff race when Kes and Booth come back. No need to panic and trade one of our great goalies for pieces that aren't the pieces GM MG intends to get (prospects of value or legit top 6 play maker or both).
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:04 AM

How about San Jose:

Thornton couture havlat
Clowe Marleau pavelski

Beats our top six easy and comparable to LA

Chicago

Toews Hossa Sharp
Kane Stalberg Kruger

Great top 4 but not top six... Say even with Vancouver ( with Kes and booth back)

Edmonton
RNH yakupov hall
Eberle Hemsky horcoff

Pretty wickedly young top talent line but not LA

St Louis

Berglund Steen Backes
Oshie Perron Macdonald

Meh to that

Detroit

Zetterberg Fransen Datsyuk
Filpulla Brunner Samuelsson

Aging ... Vancouver is better

Wild

Heatley koivu parise
Setoguchi Bouchard granlund

On par with Vancouver

Anaheim

Perry Getzalf koivu
Ryan selanne cogliano

Great top 3 but not top 6

Bottom line is it looks like the kings are definitely the team to beat, maybe the sharks too and Vancouver needs to fix their second line and bottom six scoring depth if they hope to win the west and reach the SCF again

Edited by Lui's Knob, 18 January 2013 - 12:09 AM.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:05 AM

thats one jumbled up LA top six
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:08 AM

Who has the best defense in the West?

Who has the best goalie tandem?

Offense isn't the only thing that wins you games. The Canucks system is strong enough that you can plug other players in and barely miss a beat. We've seen it before.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:11 AM

I would say LA has great D and Vancouver matches up equally there but last year the kings top 3 lines decimated and overwhelmed our D. If luongo stays the team has the best goalie tandem in the west
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:13 AM

To be honest, I'm semi-happy with our top 6 when healthy.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:15 AM

We have to compare entire teams, I think our defense and goaltending tandem is the best in the West, offensively we have the best line IMO.

and we do have some depth, maybe other teams have more but if Kes and Booth return to form & Raymond plays like he did tonight then I think ours is right their.

I think people are underestimating us, I could easily see Schneider playing like Quick & Thomas did.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:17 AM

To be honest, I'm semi-happy with our top 6 when healthy.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian


As am I, althought after tonight I would think the 2nd line would be Raymond instead of Kassian, looks like the Raymond of old, that would make our top 6 right their with other teams IMO.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:18 AM

Vancouver's top 3 is one of the best in the league.

Due to injuries to Kesler and Booth, out top 6 is virtually weaker.

When the two comes back and recovers, Vancouver's top 6 is one of the tops in the West. Couple this with that great D-corps and the best goaltending duo (if Lu stays for now), it's going to be dynamite.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:19 AM

If we have Kesler, Booth, and Raymond all playing at their best, along with elite play from the Sedins and Burrows, our top 6 would be the best.

But that's a big IF. Otherwise I'd say LA has probably the best top 6.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:20 AM

I would agree but I think there's a couple 'ifs' and a couple holes for the 2nd line with the nucks but LA holds that title as the team to beat as it stands now by a margin... Will see how it goes come the trade deadline


We have to compare entire teams, I think our defense and goaltending tandem is the best in the West, offensively we have the best line IMO.

and we do have some depth, maybe other teams have more but if Kes and Booth return to form & Raymond plays like he did tonight then I think ours is right their.

I think people are underestimating us, I could easily see Schneider playing like Quick & Thomas did.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:23 AM

As am I, althought after tonight I would think the 2nd line would be Raymond instead of Kassian, looks like the Raymond of old, that would make our top 6 right their with other teams IMO.


That may be, but we have enough softness in our top 6, need some more grit and size.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:23 AM

I would agree but I think there's a couple 'ifs' and a couple holes for the 2nd line with the nucks but LA holds that title as the team to beat as it stands now by a margin... Will see how it goes come the trade deadline


I think once our 2nd line is healthy we are right their, and I don't see any issues or holes or "ifs" in our line-up, I also think with Kassian and Schroeder being ready to contribute offensively & Raymond playing better (atleast it seems that way) we have more scoring depth than we have in awhile.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:25 AM

That may be, but we have enough softness in our top 6, need some more grit and size.


Perhaps, I think it is alright though, Booth brings more size and I think we will see that and see him at his best if this team goes on a roll in the playoffs, if Raymond can be 09/10 Raymond then I have no issues with him in the top 6, with Kassian right their ready when needed.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:52 AM

Like every year, things look good on paper. Let's see what happens, once the puck drops. There could be a slough of groin issues among the other teams, and the Canucks will be in the thick of things, this whole, short, season. Wait and see!
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:23 AM

Don't underestimate the STL top 6, they are a bitch top play against.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:27 AM

How about San Jose:

Thornton couture havlat
Clowe Marleau pavelski

Beats our top six easy and comparable to LA


That would have been a wicked top six, had it still been 2008.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:35 AM

How about San Jose:

Thornton couture havlat
Clowe Marleau pavelski


Why would Thornton not be centering that line?

Anyway, yeah, our O lines besides our top line sucks this season. We'll be winning by the Sedins + awesome D if we win.

The SJ core is aging a bit worse than the Canucks (similar age but they're showing a lot more wear+tear) so I think after the next couple years they'll need to rebuild. I don't think they're an elite team anymore and I can't see them winning a cup. Couture is their own bright spot, that kid is great.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:35 AM

Lui's Knob you are wrong about a lot of other teams' top 6 lines. Please don't list them unless you are sure about what you are talking about; otherwise you are misinforming others.

SJ
Marleau - Thornton - Havlat
Clowe - Couture - Pavelski

Marleau will be playing with Thornton, not centering his own line.


EDM
Hall - RNH - Eberle
Yakupov - Gagner - Hemsky

Yakupov is NOT starting on their top line.


DET
Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Brunner
Franzen - Filpula - Bertuzzi

Samuelsson may or may not start on the second line, but I have no idea why you stated that Brunner is starting the season on the second line.


ANA
Ryan - Getzlaf - Perry
? - Koivu - Selanne

Not sure if it's Cogliano or Beleskey starting the second line, but it will be Bobby Ryan with the big boys and Koivu centering the second line.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:43 AM

How has the Penguins not made this list? The two best players in the world (or at least two of the top 4):
Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Tangradi-Malkin-Neal
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:46 AM

How has the Penguins not made this list? The two best players in the world (or at least two of the top 4):
Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Tangradi-Malkin-Neal


They're an Eastern Conference team. This thread was mostly for how we stack up against other Western Conference teams.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:47 AM

How has the Penguins not made this list? The two best players in the world (or at least two of the top 4):
Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Tangradi-Malkin-Neal


The thread was about Western teams I think. But yeah, the pens have some quality O.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:52 AM

People might be forgetting Dallas has a bunch of talented forwards this year... the illustrious Jaromir Jagr, Ray Whitney, Jamie Benn (will prob be a break out year soon), Eriksson, Ryder, etc.

These aren't light weights. I think I might buy tickets to see Dallas when they come to town this year, they have some cool players.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:17 AM

We don't have a 2nd line, and who knows what is happening in the bottom 6. All we can hope for is our first line to get us through until all the injured players are back!
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