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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:47 PM

AV is an idiot
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:55 PM

AV is an idiot


Just another reactionary response from someone looking to have their anti-AV bias confirmed for them without actually understanding the larger issues and reasons for sending Schroeder down.

Why do so many people post the first drivel that pops into their head without bothering to give the issues a moment of consideration?
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:59 PM

i believe it was the second line with ryan and selanne

Ahh, thanks. Well I know he isnt playing with the same calibre of players but hopefuly he can see some of the seccess he saw in Anahiem on the second line.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:03 PM

WOW this is RIDICULOUS, Vancouver is such a dead zone for prospect. Really useless. Play the kid already.

Why on earth do we need so many d-men at the beginning of the year. One of Barker or Vandemeer should have gone down.

Bunch of idiots.

Edited by 2nastie, 18 January 2013 - 05:04 PM.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:05 PM

WOW this is RIDICULOUS, Vancouver is such a dead zone for prospect. Really useless. Play the kid already.

Why on earth do we need so many d-men at the beginning of the year. One of Barker or Vandemeer should have gone down.

Bunch of idiots.


I'm not going to tell you what to do, but you should probably feel very silly for making this post.

There's a 23 man roster limit and Schroeder is the only one not eligible for waivers. He will be back, you just need to go take a deep breath.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:06 PM

Just another reactionary response from someone looking to have their anti-AV bias confirmed for them without actually understanding the larger issues and reasons for sending Schroeder down.

Why do so many people post the first drivel that pops into their head without bothering to give the issues a moment of consideration?


AV lovers are the worst. He's a failure of coach and can't develop prospects. How much more evidence do you need? How many more years of failure do you need to see? AV is a joke of a coach and should be canned ASAP!
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:09 PM

I'm not going to tell you what to do, but you should probably feel very silly for making this post.

There's a 23 man roster limit and Schroeder is the only one not eligible for waivers. He will be back, you just need to go take a deep breath.


Remy, we're fighting an impossible battle here. Let's just wait and laugh at them when this is all cleared up.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:09 PM

I entirely disagree... the best time to put guys on waivers (if you don't want them claimed) is today. There will be dozens of other players on the wire at the same time as every team has to drop to the 23 man roster and it would be much less likely that it would be your guy picked up.

Putting someone on waivers a couple of days from now (or even tomorrow) risks other teams finding out a player on their roster sucks or someone gets hurt (expect a dozen groin pulls over the weekend) and they don't have the depth on their own farm teams.


The number of players on waivers doesn't have any effect on good players being claimed. If anything, today would be the last day that GMs make their final tweaks by getting any depth guys they can off waivers.

If you put a player on waivers tomorrow before teams have even played, I doubt GMs will be looking to make upgrades as much.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:14 PM

AV lovers are the worst. He's a failure of coach and can't develop prospects. How much more evidence do you need? How many more years of failure do you need to see? AV is a joke of a coach and should be canned ASAP!


I can't quite tell, where do you yourself stand on the AV issue?
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:15 PM

Schroeder >>>>>>> Malhotra,Weise,Volpatti.

Those 3 make up up our 4th line. Thats not even in the top 6 of an AHL lineup let alone be on a team thats contending for the cup.

It will be comical watching that 4th line, disaster waiting to happen.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

If he doesn't get called up once everything is figured out with the roster limit and stuff then I will be very pissed at AV.

Untill then, it was the most logical choice.

He should still be playing tomorrow though...
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:17 PM

Schroeder >>>>>>> Malhotra,Weise,Volpatti.

Those 3 make up up our 4th line. Thats not even in the top 6 of an AHL lineup let alone be on a team thats contending for the cup.

It will be comical watching that 4th line, disaster waiting to happen.


Malholtra, Weise, and Volps played together last year for a bit a looked very good as a fourth line...
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:18 PM

The amount of naivetee in this thread is just staggering!...

Schroeder wasn't sent down because AV is an idiot. He wasn't sent down because AV likes grinders or hates rookies. And he wasn't sent down solely because of waivers (although that was a big part of it).

He was sent down because he's five foot nine and weighs less than 180lbs.

Everyone here makes fun of Mason Raymond for falling down all the time whenever someone barely touches him - yet, you all want someone smaller. Considerably smaller. Seriously? And, you want to put him on Raymond's line??? After getting man-handled by the Bruins in the final, you seriously want to get easier to push around??? Just imagine the liberties teams would take with the Sedins on the top line and Raymond/Schroeder on the 2nd. It would be embarrassing. We'd have to change the team's name to the Vancouver Ragdolls.

The AHL to NHL equivalency is 0.44. Schroeder has had 19 points in 30 games (or 0.6333PPG) with a negative +/- in the AHL (there are about 5 or 6 other non-NHL leagues which are ranked higher than the AHL in quality, and he's not exactly tearing it up down there). So, you can expect him to score 0.278PPG in the NHL this year, or less than 13 points. We can rather easily get those 13 points from someone who's 5 inches taller, 50lbs heavier, and a lot meaner. Players his size have to score almost twice as much in the AHL to even have a shot at the big leagues (go look up Keith Aucoin to see how dominant he is in the AHL, yet hasn'b been able to crack an NHL lineup in decades - and he's bigger than Schroeder).
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:41 PM by BloodyCanuckleheads

I could definitely see Grabner going. He seems to have done his best to play his way out the door (and Gillis seems to be the smartest GM we've ever had, so, put two and two together)...

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:19 PM

The amount of naivetee in this post is just staggering!...


Fixed that for you.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:21 PM

andrew ebbet is 5'9 so schroeder being small isnt actually the reason
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:21 PM

He was sent down because he's five foot nine and weighs less than 180lbs.


Except Schroeder is the exact same size as Ebbett. So there goes that argument...

Schroeder also put up pretty much the same amount of points as him, despite centering the Wolves 2nd line.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:25 PM

Except Schroeder is the exact same size as Ebbett. So there goes that argument...

Schroeder also put up pretty much the same amount of points as him, despite centering the Wolves 2nd line.


Schroeders a much better option, has a lot more offensive skill and creativity that we need. Stick Kassian on his line and his size doesn't matter so much anymore.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:27 PM

Ebbett is 30 years old and hasn't played the equivalent of 2 full NHL season in his entire career. Why do you think that is? Perhaps because he's the same size as Schroeder???
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:41 PM by BloodyCanuckleheads

I could definitely see Grabner going. He seems to have done his best to play his way out the door (and Gillis seems to be the smartest GM we've ever had, so, put two and two together)...

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:29 PM

Ebbett is 30 years old and hasn't played the equivalent of 2 full NHL season in his entire career. Why do you think that is? Perhaps because he's the same size as Schroeder???


Ebbett has less talent than Schroeder. There's a reason one went in the first round, and one went undrafted.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:30 PM

Ebbett is 30 years old and hasn't played the equivalent of 2 full NHL season in his entire career. Why do you think that is? Perhaps because he's the same size as Schroeder???


No, I think it has more to do with the fact that he went undrafted, and doesn't have nearly the dynamic skill set that Schroeder has.

If you're a small player that's drafted in the first round, you've got a shot. If you're an undrafted small player, the odds are almost zero, unless they're St.Louis good.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:31 PM

Malholtra, Weise, and Volps played together last year for a bit a looked very good as a fourth line...


That line has no identity whatsoever, 2 bangers and a guy whose only skill now is taking faceoffs. The guy is horrible with the puck.

If they get caught against a top line, God help them.

We could get 3 scoring lines if we had kept Schroeder.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Raymond - Schroeder - Kassian
Higgins - Lappiere - Hansen
Weise - Ebbett - Volpatti

Ebbett on the 4th line is alot better than Malhotra because he can actually dish the puck in the right location for Volpatti and Weise to do their job. Malhotra is so bad with the puck its sad.

Sometimes i feel the Canucks just give Malhotra a spot because they feel they have to after all thats happened to him. 2.5m for a one dimensional player is a waste of roster spot and cap space on any team.

Why mess with something that worked?

Im not a JS fanboy by any means, but imo, he has earned a spot on the starting lineup, especially with Kesler being out, we need all the scoring we can get.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:31 PM

Ebbett has less talent than Schroeder. There's a reason one went in the first round, and one went undrafted.


We've posted the exact same thing right after each other in like 3 threads. :lol:
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:31 PM

Maybe half this board should calm down and relax to see how it plays out before all the hate bashing and insults come out. I swear every time there is the slightest rumor, hearsay or moves that don't immediately explain themselves, half the people on these boards freak out and demands that heads roll.

Kudos to the patient ones on this thread who didn't lose it and understand that sometimes things are done for a reason and that reason may not be clear at first.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:33 PM

> Ebbett has less talent than Schroeder.

Yeah, this year Ebbett had 0.724PPG with a +5, while Schroeder had 0.633 with a -3.

Plus, Ebbett has CONSIDERABLY better AHL stats over his career. So, yeah he's totally worse...
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:41 PM by BloodyCanuckleheads

I could definitely see Grabner going. He seems to have done his best to play his way out the door (and Gillis seems to be the smartest GM we've ever had, so, put two and two together)...

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:33 PM

Basically, Schroeder>>>Ebbett.

In pretty much every category.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:40 PM

> Ebbett has less talent than Schroeder.

Yeah, this year Ebbett had 0.724PPG with a +5, while Schroeder had 0.633 with a -3.

Plus, Ebbett has CONSIDERABLY better AHL stats over his career. So, yeah he's totally worse...


Ya and obviously you only read the stat lines. Ebbett was gifted with first line minutes constantly, and got to play with the best players on the team. He's 30 years old with no where to go, look forward to seeing him back in chicago soon.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:41 PM

> Ebbett has less talent than Schroeder.

Yeah, this year Ebbett had 0.724PPG with a +5, while Schroeder had 0.633 with a -3.

Plus, Ebbett has CONSIDERABLY better AHL stats over his career. So, yeah he's totally worse...


I'm guessing that's about as deep as your ability to assess players goes...

Why do we have scouts when Gillis can just check hockeydb.com and get their stats.

Lets just sign all the unsigned players that are leading the AHL in scoring. Cause clearly there's a direct correlation between AHL stats and NHL stats...
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

Personally I think JS does deserve a spot on this roster over AB but just because he was sent down today doesn't mean he won't play at all this season. There is a lot more going on inside the locker rooms and offices that we fans don't see so I'd rather be patient than jump to conclusions based on a couple televised scrimmage games.

I do hope that JS gets a shot though. There are tons of athletes that have been disregarded based on size but then go on to prove that it isn't a factor. Doug Flutie (football), Spud Webb (Bball), Muggsy Bogues(Bball), Theo Fluery. Even St. Louis went undrafted because of his size and went on to prove everyone wrong. Even as recently as Brad Marchant who is about the same height is doing well (granted he's a big douche).
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:44 PM

I'm guessing that's about as deep as your ability to assess players goes...

Why do we have scouts when Gillis can just check hockeydb.com and get their stats.

Lets just sign all the unsigned players that are leading the AHL in scoring. Cause clearly there's a direct correlation between AHL stats and NHL stats...


Not to mention how "meh" Hodgson AHL stats were, and he was the next captain of Vancouver!
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:46 PM

Ebbett is NOT that terrible of a player. He averages about 30 points a season if he was able to stick around. Due to his size and a couple other things, he'll never be a regular NHL'er, but more of a journeyman.
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