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#181 Gumballthechewy

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:26 PM

Its apparently got another ntc. Would have honestly rather overpaid 1-1.5 million more to make him more tradable if necissary.


I hate NTC's. You want job security? Play well, consistently, there's your job security...

I'm not calling Edler lazy or anything, that just my view on NTC's in general.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:27 PM

He was injured for the Kings series.

If you want to know what he's like when healthy, check 2011 playoffs. of course the bruins broke his finger after he dominated game 5... he can bring it all
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:30 PM

Its apparently got another ntc. Would have honestly rather overpaid 1-1.5 million more to make him more tradable if necissary.


He's a core player. You can't disrespect your core players like that. The best you can really do with core guys is make it a limited NTC. That's the new era of pro-sports.

Edler could've gone to UFA and gotten a 7-year/$49m contract with a full NTC. I don't think any GM in the league gets him signed without a NTC.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:34 PM

Great Signing - Can't wait to see him play tomorrow night and give him a big shout out!

That's the way to give back to the fans - thanks eddie :)
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:36 PM

Great Signing - Can't wait to see him play tomorrow night and give him a big shout out!

That's the way to give back to the fans - thanks eddie :)


Eee!

I almost forgot! Tomorrow is game night!!
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:37 PM

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Never enough for some on CDC.

MG just signed one of the best Dmen in the league to a great contract, now there are complaints of NTC attached to contract. No way Edler signs without NTC for $5 mill or $6+ mill. Money is not the issue, the thing is Edler wants to stay here and he took less to make that happen.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:42 PM

Never enough for some on CDC.

MG just signed one of the best Dmen in the league to a great contract, now there are complaints of NTC attached to contract. No way Edler signs without NTC for $5 mill or $6+ mill. Money is not the issue, the thing is Edler wants to stay here and he took less to make that happen.


I just hate NTC's in general, it has nothing to do with Edler or Gillis.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:45 PM

what a steal! how many of these Defenseman better than Edler?

1. Weber, Shea » D NAS 27 14 $7,857,143
2. Suter, Ryan » D MIN 27 13 $7,538,462
3. Campbell, Brian » D FLA 33 8 $7,142,875
4. Doughty, Drew » D LAK 23 8 $7,000,000
5. Chara, Zdeno » D BOS 35 7 $6,916,667
6. Bouwmeester, Jay » D CGY 29 $6,680,000
7. Boyle, Dan » D SAN 36 6 $6,666,667
8. Phaneuf, Dion » D TOR 27 6 $6,500,000
9. Karlsson, Erik » D OTT 22 7 $6,500,000
10. Timonen, Kimmo » D PHI 37 6 $6,333,333
11. Green, Mike » D WAS 27 3 $6,083,333
12. Seabrook, Brent » D CHI 27 5 $5,800,000
13. Burns, Brent » D SAN 27 5 $5,760,000
14. Markov, Andrei » D MTL 34 3 $5,750,000
15. Visnovsky, Lubomir » D NYI 36 $5,600,000
16. Keith, Duncan » D CHI 29 13 $5,538,462
17. Gonchar, Sergei » D OTT 38 3 $5,500,000
18. Wisniewski, James » D CLB 28 $5,500,000
19. Myers, Tyler » D BUF 22 7 $5,500,000
20. Carle, Matt » D TBL 28 6 $5,500,000
21. Yandle, Keith » D PHO 26 5 $5,250,000
22. Wideman, Dennis » D CGY 29 $5,250,000
23. Byfuglien, Dustin » D WIN 27 $5,200,000
24. Martin, Paul » D PIT 31 5 $5,000,000


probably 5-10 of them for sure, then it's a toss up. weber, suter, doughty, chara, keith are the norris trophy class. Edler is right there after them, but so are most of these guys. But I agree with the point, great great great deal for the $ - as long as the back is really ok, which probably is. he is still young enough to get over it and not let it effect his game...
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:52 PM

I just hate NTC's in general, it has nothing to do with Edler or Gillis.


I don't like them either, but unless they were banned under the CBA there was no way Edler was going to sign with any team in the NHL without NTC. He's a top tier Dman and has the power to demand a NTC. Any player who takes less $ to play for a team is going to have a NTC.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:53 PM

Praise science!
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:54 PM

Canucks sign key defenceman Alex Edler to six-year, $30-million deal

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Vancouver, B.C. - The Canucks have locked up another piece to their blueline, signing Alex Edler to a six-year, $30 million contract extension.
“They’re all difficult,” Vancouver GM Mike Gillis said. “But this is good for him and good for us.”

Edler is the quiet, professional Swede. He produces at an elite level, having become a 50-point defenceman who has significantly out-performed his $3.1 million-per-year contract for the past two seasons.

Edler was looking to be the Canucks highest paid defenceman and got it, averaging $400,000 more than Kevin Bieksa. And you can be sure he would have got a huge payday this summer if he made it as a UFA, from teams like Detroit, desperate for blueliners.

The deal has a no-trade clause.

It means the Canucks top-four defencemen are signed until 2016-17 which gives the team significant cost certainty.

He is also just 26, and Gillis said he believes he’s still growing, learning and developing.

“He’s got size, skating, and a great shot,” Gillis said. “He’s going to continue to get better, grow into the role of a top-two defenceman.”

Edler’s sagged badly in the spring in a five-game series against the L.A. Kings. That’s when the criticism of his inconsistency finally crossed the line into concern he may never be the top-tier, No. 1 defenceman many believed he had the talent to become.

“I think he was mentally tired, we limped into those in the playoffs,” Gillis said.

As Gillis suggested, many assumed the problem to be mental. It looked that way, as he committed a string of unforced errors.

But what if it wasn’t? What if the problems go back years?

Edler underwent surgery, because of a bulging disc, in January 2011. It was a problem that had plagued him for years. He didn’t miss games, though as he could manage it enough with physical treatments.

Edler continued to experience back spasms throughout the next season in 2011-12. He missed practices, and couldn’t play one game in December.

Those back problems crept back up for Edler this September, something the Canucks examined thoroughly while he was injured during the lockout and under team supervision.

“He was under our supervision and we had him checked out and got multiple opinions and do not believe it’s going to be an issue,” Gillis said.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:58 PM

awesome deal. I was really worried about losing him. Next up....Higgins and Lapierre.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:10 PM

Lol, was just going to buy a Kassian jersey Tmr, now I'm thinking Edler maybe?
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:14 PM

Never enough for some on CDC.

MG just signed one of the best Dmen in the league to a great contract, now there are complaints of NTC attached to contract. No way Edler signs without NTC for $5 mill or $6+ mill. Money is not the issue, the thing is Edler wants to stay here and he took less to make that happen.


Yup. And people are upset all for a NTC - which we've seen time and time again doesn't mean a heck of a lot if you really have to move a player (save for Luongo, which is really because of his contract, not the NTC).

This is a great deal for a Top defenseman Now lets just hope he takes the next step and finds the consistency to be an elite d-man for the next 6 years.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:20 PM

Never enough for some on CDC.

MG just signed one of the best Dmen in the league to a great contract, now there are complaints of NTC attached to contract. No way Edler signs without NTC for $5 mill or $6+ mill. Money is not the issue, the thing is Edler wants to stay here and he took less to make that happen.


No kidding. These two are my favorite:

Its apparently got another ntc. Would have honestly rather overpaid 1-1.5 million more to make him more tradable if necissary.

I am not giddy like most on this signing because at his best he can be a beast (as much as a soft euro can be) or he can be horrible like he was against LA and at other times so far.

Time will tell whether this dea is good or bad for the organization.

I am not sold either way.


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But of course, we're all just being "fan boys". These guys are the realists. :rolleyes:
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:26 PM

Great signing! Thank you!
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:29 PM

No kidding. These two are my favorite:




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But of course, we're all just being "fan boys". These guys are the realists. :rolleyes:

I already said i loved the signing. I just dont like how MGs handed out NTCs like its his job. Any player who signs with him from now on will get one since he gives them out. Even Manny has one. Some GMs dont give them out on principle. May cost them some players/ deals/ value but at least interested players dont come to expect them. People praise MG for all his value on these resignings (rightfully so) but dont point out his willingness to give out these clauses.

Its not like Im trying to be negative for the sake of it. I was writing this stuff yesterday before this signing occured. I bet (without looking) no team in the league comes close to as many NTCs as we have.

Edit: after looking it seems its not as bad as I thought. Still, we have some of the most among teams Ive checked.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:35 PM

lots of potential, he is not there yet in terms of consistency

hope his injury situation in the last few yrs will not be an issue when it matters the most in playoffs

5mill/yr is similar KB and hammer range.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:37 PM

I already said i loved the signing. I just dont like how MGs handed out NTCs like its his job. Any player who signs with him from now on will get one since he gives them out. Even Manny has one. Some GMs dont give them out on principle. May cost them some players/ deals/ value but at least interested players dont come to expect them. People praise MG for all his value on these resignings (rightfully so) but dont point out his willingness to give out these clauses.

Its not like Im trying to be negative for the sake of it. I was writing this stuff yesterday before this signing occured. I bet (without looking) no team in the league comes close to as many NTCs as we have.

Edit: after looking it seems its not as bad as I thought. Still, we have some of the most among teams Ive checked.


Calgary with 11.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:42 PM

Looks pretty likely that this is Ballard's final 1/2 season with the club.
At least he'll leave with a cup ring :bigblush:

Bally aint the worst d'man making 4+ mil on the nucks.. but probably the only one without a NTC... sucks i like him.
hope he gets a ring with us ........... same with Lu.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:45 PM

Calgary with 11.

They arent exactly a model franchise. And stajan, Glencross, Tanguay, Babchuck, and Sarich all make 3.5 or less so they arent on the same level.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:48 PM

:picard:

But of course, we're all just being "fan boys". These guys are the realists. :rolleyes:


We get a 50 point d-man for $5m a year and they're upset about an NTC. Like one has never been waived before. Likely the same ones upset about Ehrhoff walking. I'd take Edler and his deal any day, any time, over that Ehrhoff deal.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:51 PM

HELL. EFFING. YES.


My biggest concern was losing him after this season. Looks like I'll be keeping my Edler jersey.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:52 PM

I already said i loved the signing. I just dont like how MGs handed out NTCs like its his job. Any player who signs with him from now on will get one since he gives them out. Even Manny has one. Some GMs dont give them out on principle. May cost them some players/ deals/ value but at least interested players dont come to expect them. People praise MG for all his value on these resignings (rightfully so) but dont point out his willingness to give out these clauses.

Its not like Im trying to be negative for the sake of it. I was writing this stuff yesterday before this signing occured. I bet (without looking) no team in the league comes close to as many NTCs as we have.

Edit: after looking it seems its not as bad as I thought. Still, we have some of the most among teams Ive checked.


Who cares if he has a NTC? Are we going to want to trade him in the next 6 years? Probably not.

If he keeps performing like a 5 million dollar defenseman, why would we wanna trade him? If he doesn't, then we probably won't be able to anyways.

If he really starts stinking it up, he can be asked to waive his no trade or be bought out. Why fans worry about some hypothetical in the future, I don't understand.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:53 PM

B-B-B-But I @SamJam99 didn't confirm this yet???


On a serious note, its a good feeling to know that Edler will be patrolling our blueline for the next 6 years.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:58 PM

We get a 50 point d-man for $5m a year and they're upset about an NTC. Like one has never been waived before. Likely the same ones upset about Ehrhoff walking. I'd take Edler and his deal any day, any time, over that Ehrhoff deal.


I don't know about anyone else here but I'm not a fan of NTC's no matter what contract they're in, yet they are a part if hockey, whatever, I was just voicing my general opinion about them not that Edler got one.

Same thing about the trapezoid, I think it's the second stupidest thing in Hockey, but it's a part if hockey so I deal with it.

People can't say they don't like a certain aspect of contracts in general without people going on about it?
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

The thing is all the players on Canucks with NTC are core players and they won't be traded anyways. Luongo is the only only one who will be and that's because he asked for a trade.

Key is MG doesn't hand out too many NMC's. Only the Sedins have those.

If worst come to worst (unlikely) MG could waive any of these players and someone is bound to pick them up.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

A player shows loyalty by taking less. A GM shows it by giving them a NTC.

All this means is that Edler wants to finish his career here.

I don't think every player should get one, but I definitely think Edler should. He's a core player, and a career canuck.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

I literally was like :towel: :frantic: when i found out about the deal. I absolutely love the way Eddie plays. big, good offensively, good defensively, and throws his body around. His value on this deal is incredible compared to what he could have got on the open market. There is no question in my mind that he would fetch at least 6.5 on the open market... he is easily better than Phaneuf. For a 26 year old guy, I have no problem giving him the term either. LOVE IT!
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

Who cares if he has a NTC? Are we going to want to trade him in the next 6 years? Probably not.

If he keeps performing like a 5 million dollar defenseman, why would we wanna trade him? If he doesn't, then we probably won't be able to anyways.

If he really starts stinking it up, he can be asked to waive his no trade or be bought out. Why fans worry about some hypothetical in the future, I don't understand.

If we had more of our d corps free to trade as we pleased we could have opened the door to have gotten Schultz in the offseason. This is just one little example. Its harder to move around assets. Wha if a great trade oppurtunity came around but our guys wouldnt leave? It just makes me uncomfortable and I was hoping to overpay eddy with no NTC. Maybe he wouldnt have signed without one. Hes earned that right. Im ecstatic with the terms. I dont see whats wrong with worrying about things like this. It goes both ways tho. Him signing for cheaper allows us to do more too. I just dont want this to turn into a team filled with NTCs.

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