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#31 Canouver

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:05 AM

We aren't as tough as some other teams, but we are tougher than before. We had an above average amount of fighting majors last year and I'm pretty excited about Jim Vandermeer, he may not play much but if we need him he'll go at it with anyone, and he plays nasty on the ice.

However I don't think toughness is why we lost last year (not that being gritty and tough is a bad thing). The Kings did NOT beat us up, they scored more goals and played defense. You win in the playoffs by being aggressive, physical and playing with balls, not necessarily by fighting. I think we are capable of that, but our skill has to show up as well.

i know it's only one hit but what's the one hit everyone remembers? Ya Dustin Brown on Henrik. I'm not saying that turned the tide but do you remember a huge hit on the kings that the Canucks delivered. NO
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:09 AM

ya you will.

screw you

god dammit
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:11 AM

i know it's only one hit but what's the one hit everyone remembers? Ya Dustin Brown on Henrik. I'm not saying that turned the tide but do you remember a huge hit on the kings that the Canucks delivered. NO

THEN WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS VICIOUS ASSAULT


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:13 AM

LA beat them up???

im pretty sure your confusing beat , with beat up , boston forsure beat us up

but la just scored goals ,

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Not a lot that I agree with clutch, but agreed.

LA didn't beat us up and played a relatively clean game. Boston was a mockery but that was more to do with bad ref's.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:16 AM

i know it's only one hit but what's the one hit everyone remembers? Ya Dustin Brown on Henrik. I'm not saying that turned the tide but do you remember a huge hit on the kings that the Canucks delivered. NO


Booth on Doughty!!!!!! That was like 5 minutes into game 1 too, if anything should have set the pace, it was that hit. Guys have to follow suit though.

"toughness" isn't a personnel issue for us, it's an accountability issue with our current roster.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:17 AM

Lol
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:29 AM

Well if their not tough they better be good on the powerplay. If their not, there going to get handled like the Costa Concordia.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:30 AM

I have no issues with toughness this season. We have Volpatti (Rinaldo of the West), Weise, Kassian and our 'goon' Vandermeer.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:47 AM

THEN WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS VICIOUS ASSAULT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gkqw5Fsyvok


QUICK, HIT HIM WHILE HE'S DOWN! :lol:

It's actually nice to see the sedins show a some agression in any form, even if it is a sneaky little elbow like that.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:24 AM

knowing him it was a mistake or a random twitch
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:24 AM

To play in the NHL you need to be tough, whether it be mental or physical. What I worry about for this team is the mix. The past two cup champs had a nice mix of skill and size throughout their lineup. When it comes to playoff hockey and the opposition views you as mentally or physically not up to the challenge, they will try to take advantage of that.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:33 AM

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:24 AM

Are we tough enough to win the cup? Yes.
Could we stand to be tougher? Sure.

We lost to LA because their defence was excellent.
All playoffs they were clinical defensively.

We cracked before they did.

Back to toughness....

Ideally we'd have one more tough, big body in the top 6.
The Sedins are tough, but are NOT physical nor agressive.
An imposing presence to compensate would be excellent.
But finding such a player is easier said than done.
If Kassian is ready for a top-6 role, that'd be brilliant.
But rest assured AV, is not going to put him there if he ain't ready for a top-6 role.

Also, if we had a real bruiser, tough customer, crease clearing d-man (think Engelland), that'd be ideal.
Vandemeer is step in the right direction. Alberts is so so.
Neither are skilled enough to be in the regular line up.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:32 AM

We made it to game 7 SCF we have a core that can win

Relax


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:48 AM

Sure, we're good. It wasn't toughness that was problematic against Boston, it was size, they wore us out over the seven games. Anyways that was years ago already, it's in the past. Between Volpatti, Wiese, Kassian, Lapierre, Bieksa and Alberts I think we are just fine toughness-wise. We could stand to be bigger on the bottom pairing, Ballard and Tanev aren't exactly the Matt Carkner types some teams have there.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:26 AM

We have gotten a bit toougher and nastier on the backend but up front it is same old same old. Kassian might have the potential, we are about to find out. The guys in the locker room all know that team toughness has been an issue (Hamhuis stated it) and I bet we see the Canucks more feisty and willing to stand up for each other this year. We'll need another big hard hitting forward to go anywhere in the playoffs, though.

Bringing Cloutier back adds to the toughness also, he doesn't have anything to teach Schneids or Lu except how to put up your dukes!
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:46 AM

Vandermeer and Kassian are two tough customers. Booth was also a nice addition in the physicality department, although he won't go around beating people up he is great at powering his way to the net and can throw his body around. Hopefully Volpatti stays healthy
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:51 AM

The more important question should be are they deep enough up front to consistently win games and burn their undisciplined opponents on the PP? I'm not sure I'd trust Ebbett in his ability to consistently do that once the Twins get off the ice from the PP (unless they play the full two minutes? :blink:) Hopefully Raymond proves that his play during scrimmages weren't a fluke!

Barker, Vandermeer, Garrison are plenty tough in terms of having goons and if Kassian could stick and really become the space-creating power forward we'd be okay. Au contraire, without Kes and Booth the team is both thin up front physically and in terms of skill. Replacing them while their out should be objective #1, not toughness.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:56 AM

We will have to be!! The only thing to really worry about is; " you can only score with shots on goal". Then to score more than the opposition.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:06 PM

We made it to game 7 SCF we have a core that can win

Relax


I wonder how many years this statement will be good enough to some fans if the Canucks continue to fail in the playoffs.

Edited by zero-ONE-three, 19 January 2013 - 01:06 PM.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:04 PM

Vandermeer, Kassian, Booth, Beiksa, Lappy, Garrison, Volpatti and even Ballard, plus hard hits from Edler i think we are pretty tough.. not full of goons tough but can hold our own.
Plus with Some tough guys in the system i think we are fine.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:33 PM

Try to keep up with the changes Canouver.

Haven't you heard?

Lapierre is a gawdamn hulking beast of a manhandler now.
Kassian exudes alpha masculinity.
Jim Vandermeer is the kinda guy who makes grown men feel safe.
The Sedins have been secretly training with ninjutsu warriors.
And Mike Gillis is cooking up a nice little deal to make Chris Neil a Canuck.

Just by osmosis my adrenals are feeling much much less stressed.
Hope that helps you feel a little better as well.

Edited by oldnews, 19 January 2013 - 03:39 PM.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:21 PM

LA beat them up???

im pretty sure your confusing beat , with beat up , boston forsure beat us up

but la just scored goals ,

terrible thread , will not return


Agree, we were not beaten up by LA. However they did seem to out muscle us at times. Against that we missed Daniel and played poorly.

If Garrison proves to be a stronger player than Sami and if big Kass is physical, what with Volpatti fit and Weise getting another season under his belt, Ballard getting more impressive every game, we might be ok. We also have Vandermeer who seems to be going to be used when required in an offensive role.

I could be happier but I'm still optimistic.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:57 PM

Try to keep up with the changes Canouver.

Haven't you heard?

Lapierre is a gawdamn hulking beast of a manhandler now.
Kassian exudes alpha masculinity.
Jim Vandermeer is the kinda guy who makes grown men feel safe.
The Sedins have been secretly training with ninjutsu warriors.
And Mike Gillis is cooking up a nice little deal to make Chris Neil a Canuck.

Just by osmosis my adrenals are feeling much much less stressed.
Hope that helps you feel a little better as well.

lol. I feel at ease now.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:00 PM

Zack Kassian can help in this situation, as he would drop the gloves with a Marchand or Bolland as soon as they got out of hand, and of course he could then handle the reprocussions of someone like Lucic or Ladd coming back after him. I just hope the canucks don't completely destroy what he has and turn the pittbull in him into a crapzu. They need to just accept what he is and not push the whole vegan/yoga/hippy/weightloss/super discipline/no fighting Vancouver philosophy on him. lol


Kassian was in the lineup when Keith cheap-shotted Sedin, was he not?

Not much of a deterrent, nor did he respond.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:04 PM

Kassian was in the lineup when Keith cheap-shotted Sedin, was he not?

Not much of a deterrent, nor did he respond.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:04 PM

Duncan Kieth's dirty elbow was the major blow to our LA series,what if any answers there are with our team toughness begins with protecting our star players. Heading into the season as a one line team I expect more of the same especially in the playoffs.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:20 PM

Maybe we should just surrender and pack it in. :frantic:

Could they play a couple of games before we start whining about toughness. :picard:
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:23 PM

LOL at people using that argument. That is only ONE team with that kind of softness winning them cups.

We are still incredibly soft but I am happy that at least we have 3 legitimately capable fighters in Patti, Vandermeer and Kassian.

And NO Lapierre, Weise and Bieksa are not established fighters.

Weise, with plenty of evidence, is a punching bag against anyone with skill in that department.

Lappy strictly takes on completely non fighters and Bieksa reeaaaaallly picks his spots, has some skill but in no way can take on the heavies.

The top 6 is the problem, and has been for years, no grit....

I've statistically answered the Bieksa issue year after year, I'm not gonna waste my time digging real stats for no minds this year. Bieksa consistently fights heavier players who are payed less, he is a top pairing defenceman for pete's sake, not a goon for hire. Of course he doesn't take on the real heavies, HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO

Edited by WL Canuck Fan, 19 January 2013 - 06:25 PM.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:26 PM

The question is are they skilled enough? Top end talent? I say not compared to the blues wild hawks kings and sharks even the oilers

Edited by Lui's Knob, 20 January 2013 - 12:27 PM.

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