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If Schroeder doesn't play a game this season, Will he request to be traded?


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:05 PM

He's too young for that, still

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:09 PM

I know I would. This organization expects everyone to just stay in the minors until their 26.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:15 PM

Actually...

1. Hodgson pretty much did seize his chance to stay with the team last year as a second line centre. His trade had more to do with his relationship with the team than his ability on ice.

2. Grabber still scored 30+ goals that year on NYi didn't he? O don't use the bottom feeder as an excuse. He was the top 3 +/- on NYi for two straight year. The important thing is that he did perform when given the chance.


Some players will only perform and develop in a real gaming environment. Burying prospects in minor for years is NOT an ideal practice for EVERY players. Some of them would need to given a chance in order to succeed.


He went from a +13 to a -18 the next season
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:17 PM

Actually...

1. Hodgson pretty much did seize his chance to stay with the team last year as a second line centre. His trade had more to do with his relationship with the team than his ability on ice.

2. Grabber still scored 30+ goals that year on NYi didn't he? O don't use the bottom feeder as an excuse. He was the top 3 +/- on NYi for two straight year. The important thing is that he did perform when given the chance.


Some players will only perform and develop in a real gaming environment. Burying prospects in minor for years is NOT an ideal practice for EVERY players. Some of them would need to given a chance in order to succeed.


Michael Grabner led the NYI in +/- his first year, but was 22nd his second year there.

It appears he had one outstanding year which many look to as if it were some sort of predictor of his future, but his NHL stats actually show a decline (as small as they are).

11 points in 20 games, and a +2 for us in 09-10
Then he bounced the league, got picked up on waivers by NY and realized he had to play for his life. So, yes, he put in a good (actually, really good) season.
52 points in 76 games and a +13
Then what?
Down to 32 points in 78 games, goals dropped from 30 to 20, and his +/- dropped to -18

Sounds like a lack of consistency, the very thing that got him traded, and put on waivers.

Just my opinion, and the facts, so no, he wasn't "top 3 +/- for two years", and, no, he didn't perform when given the chance, at least not last year.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:17 PM

Actually...

1. Hodgson pretty much did seize his chance to stay with the team last year as a second line centre. His trade had more to do with his relationship with the team than his ability on ice.

2. Grabber still scored 30+ goals that year on NYi didn't he? O don't use the bottom feeder as an excuse. He was the top 3 +/- on NYi for two straight year. The important thing is that he did perform when given the chance.


Some players will only perform and develop in a real gaming environment. Burying prospects in minor for years is NOT an ideal practice for EVERY players. Some of them would need to given a chance in order to succeed.


How do you figure?

Grabner was a -18 last season

Here's his stats:

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Doesn't speak much for a player that is apparently getting better and better. As I posted earlier, this year will be his make or break year. Another drop in production this season and he could easily find himself on waivers again.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:20 PM

Are you Jordan Schroeder?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:25 PM

He definitely should

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:25 PM

Funny that suddenly the +/- is everything when talking of Grabner now that his most recent season is -18 (on one of the crappiest team with the worst goaltending). I'm sure if (name deleted) was a fan of someone with -18, you wouldn't hear about it, as it wouldn't be beneficial to his arguement.

Bottom line is Grabner is a bonafied NHLer and MG let him go, with a 1st rounder and a plug for a $4mil Dman who has never found his niche in Van thanks to AV.


Back on topic, JS will get his chances. His spirit will need to be incredibly noble, though,in order to override his shortcomings.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:28 PM

Funny that suddenly the +/- is everything when talking of Grabner now that his most recent season is -18 (on one of the crappiest team with the worst goaltending). I'm sure if (name deleted) was a fan of someone with -18, you wouldn't hear about it, as it wouldn't be beneficial to his arguement.

Bottom line is Grabner is a bonafied NHLer and MG let him go, with a 1st rounder and a plug for a $4mil Dman who has never found his niche in Van thanks to AV.


They had one of the crappiest teams and the worst goaltending the season before as well. Fact is his production dropped across the board last year. Another drop like that this year and he will be far from a "bonafied NHLer"

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:31 PM

I don't follow the NYI very much so I don't know what circumstances may have contributed to his +/-.

I think we can all agree that judging a player based on +/- is pure folly, though. Unless it's extreme one way or the other.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:33 PM

Funny that suddenly the +/- is everything when talking of Grabner now that his most recent season is -18 (on one of the crappiest team with the worst goaltending). I'm sure if (name deleted) was a fan of someone with -18, you wouldn't hear about it, as it wouldn't be beneficial to his arguement.

Bottom line is Grabner is a bonafied NHLer and MG let him go, with a 1st rounder and a plug for a $4mil Dman who has never found his niche in Van thanks to AV.


Back on topic, JS will get his chances. His spirit will need to be incredibly noble, though,in order to override his shortcomings.


The +/- isn't everything, but the poster that claimed Grabner was top 3 two years in a row was wrong. He simply wasn't.

And, to say that 32 points is a "bonafied" NHL player is giving 32 points a lot of credit. Especially a player playing in a top 6 role. Grabner at -18 certainly shows no abilities as checking line player, or 4th line crasher, so top 6 it is. I'd be wanting a little more than 32 points from my $3M player
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:36 PM

Schroeder will play multiple games with the Canucks this year so this thread is done.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:36 PM

And who's going to take him? Florida?
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:39 PM

isn't it hilarious how the montreal canadians do it for years and they're geniuses, the redwings do it for years and they're geniuses.. but the second the canucks shelter young players, they're ruining prospects and running them out of town lol

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:42 PM

i might be blind, but Schroeder isn't on the Wolves or the Canucks roster :frantic: :frantic: :frantic: :frantic: :frantic: :frantic: :frantic:

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:42 PM

course not , guys still young as hell and by monday morning he might even be called up if one center goes down

we need him depth wise this season , even if hes never played a game , think about it

players are going to go down , and the team knows it

thats why gillis said that he expects Schroeder to come up this year

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:44 PM

I don't follow the NYI very much so I don't know what circumstances may have contributed to his +/-.

I think we can all agree that judging a player based on +/- is pure folly, though. Unless it's extreme one way or the other.



+13 to -18 is pretty extreme, no?

But I do agree about judging a player on +/- alone. It's his goal production related to his shot production that I noticed the most.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:44 PM

He will be back up, just salary cap reasons, he clearly played well enough to earn a shot, and AV liked what he saw.

I will start to get worried if he goes 2-3 weeks without a call up, but I expect him to be called up sometime next week honestly, unless Ebbett scores in every game & plays exceptional or something.

Edit: I don't think he would request a trade anyways, the guy is loaded with character IMO, and he has worked very hard for a long time. I don't see any issues like there was with Cody.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:44 PM

course not , guys still young as hell and by monday morning he might even be called up if one center goes down

we need him depth wise this season , even if hes never played a game , think about it

players are going to go down , and the team knows it

thats why gillis said that he expects Schroeder to come up this year


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

I don't follow the NYI very much so I don't know what circumstances may have contributed to his +/-.

I think we can all agree that judging a player based on +/- is pure folly, though. Unless it's extreme one way or the other.

not when you know who the player is and have seen him play before , hes a fast guy but he never backchecks , thats why his plus minus is terrible , would even be worse if he didnt finally start hitting the net unlike in van
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

Not really.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:10 PM

He's an RFA this summer. I'm unsure of the rules under the CBA about the status of ELC players who don't play in the NHL. But if they don't bring him in this year I can't see them qualifying him.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:38 PM

Schroeder was sent down because the Canucks would've been over the 23-man roster limit. Schroeder was the only player that was elligible to be sent down without having to pass through waivers. He'll obviously get some starting time soon. Simple as that.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

OP hit the nail on the head. The Canucks have been absolutely abysmal when it comes to letting their "valued" prospects have a chance to show their worth in the NHL. We saw it with Grabner, we saw it with Hodgson, we're seeing it now with Sauve and Connaughton. Even if you look further back you see how the Sedins were always given much less icetime as youngsters than their stats suggested they should get. If Cory Schneider weren't such an incredibly patient, team-player type of guy would he have wanted out after being forced to play 2nd fiddle for 2 years to a guy he was clearly outperforming?
I get that the Canucks are a deep team and that they have other options that help them win "now", but if we don't throw a few games at these kids once in a while how long can we expect them to stick around? Its also good for their development to see what the NHL game is all about. There are other deep teams in this league that are giving their youngsters a look and reaping the rewards from it as well. The Canucks on the other hand are looking at having a ridiculously bad team once thise core group retires because we've alienated all our prospects.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:15 PM

He'll stick it out, he's bound to get a chance when Henrik retires in 4-5 years.
But by that point Gaunce might already be ahead of him.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:26 PM

Younger players coming up often hit a ceiling with the organization which drafted them.

Look at Pittsburg. Are they bad managers of their assets because Staal asked to be traded because he saw that he wasn't going to be anything more than a 3C in their organization?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:30 PM

Edit: I don't think he would request a trade anyways, the guy is loaded with character IMO, and he has worked very hard for a long time. I don't see any issues like there was with Cody.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:33 PM

Just can't help yourself,can you?


I wasn't trying to slam Cody, and I don't mean issues as in him not wanting to be here, I meant issues as in AV calling him out, exc. AV seems to have confidence in JS honestly.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:44 PM

The +/- isn't everything, but the poster that claimed Grabner was top 3 two years in a row was wrong. He simply wasn't.

And, to say that 32 points is a "bonafied" NHL player is giving 32 points a lot of credit. Especially a player playing in a top 6 role. Grabner at -18 certainly shows no abilities as checking line player, or 4th line crasher, so top 6 it is. I'd be wanting a little more than 32 points from my $3M player


My bad. Was meant to type that year and somehow I typed two years.....

Anyway I won't argue his performance last season, but I m still confident that he could get out of his slump this season.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:31 PM

I wish we would of played him insted of ebbet.




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