Burnsey Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Problem 1: 45 million committed to 10 of 23 players: Schneider Garrison, Edler, Hamhuis, Bieksa Sedins, Burrows, Kesler, Booth Next year's salary cap is just a touch over 60 million. 15 mill left for the rest (13 players) meaning there will be no more upgrading via UFA or trades unless someone from the above list is traded Problem 2: The core above didn't get the job done in 2011 (peak of our window) and are now older, more expensive and for some, got health issues (Kesler, Edler, Booth) Problem 3: We got absolutely nothing from the farm that can give us a boost. Where are our own versions of hubedeau, tarasenko or kadri?? In fact we are probably at the bottom of the league in terms of quality prospects. Edbett and Schroeder is the best we got? Kassian is a total failure. Conclusion: likely mediocrity for the next 5 years until we start rebuilding again. How many more years before the Canucks can win the Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Jensen, Corrado, Gaunce, etc.Low drafting due to extended years of on ice successPossible upgrades coming back in goalie tradeCore being locked in is a good thing #signsthelockoutisover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Problem 1: 45 million committed to 10 of 23 players: Schneider Garrison, Edler, Hamhuis, Bieksa Sedins, Burrows, Kesler, Booth Next year's salary cap is just a touch over 60 million. 15 mill left for the rest (13 players) meaning there will be no more upgrading via UFA or trades unless someone from the above list is traded Problem 2: The core above didn't get the job done in 2011 (peak of our window) and are now older, more expensive and for some, got health issues (Kesler, Edler, Booth) Problem 3: We got absolutely nothing from the farm that can give us a boost. Where are our own versions of hubedeau, tarasenko or kadri?? In fact we are probably at the bottom of the league in terms of quality prospects. Edbett and Schroeder is the best we got? Kassian is a total failure. Conclusion: likely mediocrity for the next 5 years until we start rebuilding again. How many more years before the Canucks can win the Cup? So many things, where to start? First of all, you know that we don't just get to start randomly picking? - that there's an order and because we've been a top team, that is reflected in that? You speak as if it's for a lack of trying but it's simply how the process works. Secondly, you're already writing off our prospects and upcoming players? Awesome, I should end this now then (but won't). Now, I'm no expert as I don't follow too closely - but Kadri hasn't exploded in either....I recall he was being pressured to prove himself and was being questioned as to his readiness. Players WILL have peaks and valleys and you simply aren't giving enough time to assess the successes/failures in my view. Patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman60 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 It is only the first game but you do bring up some valid points. This team does not have the right personel to play against a big line like the Ducks first line or when they come up against a tight checking hard hitting team like Boston or LA. That has to be addressed when Luongo is traded. Hopefully MG can get some players that fill the bill....big skilled players that can do more than check. Last night their was very few Canucks doing what they had to win. The PK was awful as was the goaltending. In a shortened season, it will not take too many more of these stinkers before we will be counting on another team to lose so that we make the playoffs by default. I hope that last nights game served as a wakeup call and that we see a complete team that is hungry to win tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman60 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 i hear Toronto is still accepting new fans... You should look into it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Yup, I'm actually excited about how Gillis is quietly putting in places the next generation of this team. Jensen, Gaunce, Corrado, Rodin, and Kassian... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanKeslord17 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Our window is closed because of people like you actually. One cracking game, and apparently, our season is over. Are you saying if we beat the oil tonight were back to contending again? What's joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Problem 1: 45 million committed to 10 of 23 players: Schneider Garrison, Edler, Hamhuis, Bieksa Sedins, Burrows, Kesler, Booth Next year's salary cap is just a touch over 60 million. 15 mill left for the rest (13 players) meaning there will be no more upgrading via UFA or trades unless someone from the above list is traded Problem 2: The core above didn't get the job done in 2011 (peak of our window) and are now older, more expensive and for some, got health issues (Kesler, Edler, Booth) Problem 3: We got absolutely nothing from the farm that can give us a boost. Where are our own versions of hubedeau, tarasenko or kadri?? In fact we are probably at the bottom of the league in terms of quality prospects. Edbett and Schroeder is the best we got? Kassian is a total failure. Conclusion: likely mediocrity for the next 5 years until we start rebuilding again. How many more years before the Canucks can win the Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 "Quietly putting in places" = draft picks. Every NHL team drafts players annually. This is not something exclusive to the Canucks or Mike Gillis. And you're really including Anton Rodin in that list of "next generation" for the Canucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCR Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Isn't it a good thing that hockey players don't have to climb through a window to make it into the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frazzY Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 lol how can u call kassian a failure? hes 21 and has played less than half a season for us in total games played... smh wheres our version or huberdeau, tarasenko????? HELLO!?!? look at where the blues and panthers sat in the standings a few years ago before they started getting better??? thats the consulation for SUCKING HARD, UNLIKE THE CANUCKS! you get high draft picks.... we sucked hard in the nineties and look what we got to show for it. back to back art ross winners the TWINS!!! BLUE CHIPS LIKE EDLER, SCHNEIDER!! Our "huberdeaus and tarasenkos" came about a decade earlier than these teams. MAN CDC MAKES ME MAD LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 please burn yiur jersery and never come back lotal fan never gives yp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 FIrst game of the season we lose and everyone is in panic mode and ready to jump ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 This thread would not exist if the Canucks had won last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 you friggin kidding me you idiot? Last year we lost home opener 4-3 against penguins in OT. We won Prez trophy. 2 years ago we lost home opener 2-1 to LA, we went to Cup Finals. 3 years ago we lost home opener to flames 3-5, we went to game 6 in the second round. From what I see, losing home opener is fine if it'll get us to the playoffs and finals... so shut up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surtur Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 This was a reality check game for the team.. now let them do what they do every year and start to work together to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 So according to CDC we were supposed to go 48-0-0 this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 "Are you an official here? Cause you've officially just"...lost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Dragons Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 This is all very pleasing to me, after being a huge canuck fan for over 20 years and the players and league showing they don't give a crap about the people that generate all the money they have been fighting over. I can't wait to watch this team fail at in every aspect of the game. i won't be watching the games but i sure will watch all the highlights just so i can cheer there trials and tribulations. This middle finger is for you canucks organization and i really hope you guys go 1-47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37yrsncounting Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Having only a 48 game schedule,not having Kesler and booth in the lineup really hurts The fact that none of our prospects can crack the bottom nine forwards really goes to show how poor the talent pool is in the farm. Yes we can talk about gaunce and Jensen and corrado but weren't we talking about hodgson and sauve and Schroeder a few yrs back,where are they now In the mike gillis era, the Canucks have shown an consistent inability to develop their younger players, kassian for one should be playing for the wolves and getting 20 min a game,he's only up here so that the hodgson trade doesn't look so bad. We all watched how Kesler and burrows develop in front of our eyes as third line players. Do we have anything remotely like them right now. It was a pain to watch the nucks last night, they can't score on even strength, they run around in their own zone and the coverage was awful. For those of you who say this was just the first game, well I would understand if this group was getting to know each other, but they basically have been intact for the last three years. It's not that they lost last night, it wasn't even a close game. All is not as well in Canuck land as some of you think, we transitioned from linden to bure to messier (sort of) to naslund to bertuzzi to the sedins to luongo to kes and bur and now there is nobody. Every night we are going to watch the sedins get mauled, Raymond and Hansen fall down,nthe total lack of skills with the remaining forwards, Edler drop passes being picked off, bieksa running around and Ballard looking towards the sky. This is the results of mike gillis hockey, what happened to the puck possession team, what happened to the bold moves, what happened to developing young players so they can step in and make things happen. Yes the Canucks have played at a very high level but to not see that there is something wrong and the future is not quite as bright as before is just as bad as bandwagoners who jump on and off. I'm not a bandwagoner, just a fan for 37 yrs and I'm starting to see and feel like the era just before mike Keenan put his mark on our team, get ready for a bumpy ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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