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#61 rfus88

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:00 PM

This is all very pleasing to me, after being a huge canuck fan for over 20 years and the players and league showing they don't give a crap about the people that generate all the money they have been fighting over. I can't wait to watch this team fail at in every aspect of the game. i won't be watching the games but i sure will watch all the highlights just so i can cheer there trials and tribulations. This middle finger is for you canucks organization and i really hope you guys go 1-47.

Ha so I geuss the 94,95 lockout could just be slouched off, but not this time. Oh no, they owe you the viewing pleasure of watching them play and since those few months of pleasure didn`t happen and you have no life otherwise you`re very very angry. Oh and I geuss it was the Canucks organization specifically that orchestrated this whole lockout. Don`t spout your idiotic comments here, there`s enough of them. I think its time you put your money where mouth is and dont just half ass this attempt at a boycott. Cancel your account and remove yourself completely from this site of ``canucks fans``,which you are now no longer.

The idea that they owe the fans anything is ludicrous in my mind. They play a sport which we get enjoyment out of watching and therefore willingly pay them to continue. You have it backwards as to who owes who.


I am proud you have been a fan for twenty years, time is something to be very proud of for sure.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

Bandwagon fans go cheer for they leafs.... they won a game
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:08 PM

Someone better tell the players they're not going to win the Cup. It might save them some effort, energy, and disappointment. *sigh* And here I thought we could just be happy to see hockey again, but this OP has really set me straight with his official statements.

So... um... Go Habs?


Habs loss last night, there window has officially closed aswell... Leafs window has opened.... they won there game
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:18 PM

Ha so I geuss the 94,95 lockout could just be slouched off, but not this time. Oh no, they owe you the viewing pleasure of watching them play and since those few months of pleasure didn`t happen and you have no life otherwise you`re very very angry. Oh and I geuss it was the Canucks organization specifically that orchestrated this whole lockout. Don`t spout your idiotic comments here, there`s enough of them. I think its time you put your money where mouth is and dont just half ass this attempt at a boycott. Cancel your account and remove yourself completely from this site of ``canucks fans``,which you are now no longer.

The idea that they owe the fans anything is ludicrous in my mind. They play a sport which we get enjoyment out of watching and therefore willingly pay them to continue. You have it backwards as to who owes who.


I am proud you have been a fan for twenty years, time is something to be very proud of for sure.


Im not gonna cancel my account cause i like reading whiny douches like you stick up for this crappy team.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:22 PM

The Canucks always have a weak start. Yes, that might hamper them more in a shortened season but one game does not a season make.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:25 PM

Im not gonna cancel my account cause i like reading whiny douches like you stick up for this crappy team.


Wow, some life you must lead. I really feel sorry for you. Wait, actually I don`t care at all. Go on, give up your seat at the game, it`ll be filled immediately by the next eager fan, no one will remember or care that you decided to stop cheering for this team.

I`m afraid to say but back to back president`s trophies, you may be a little dissapointed in the results this year. Hoping for failure, only seeing success. I geuss you`ll have to make the bulk of your comments now before they have a winning record, or your comments will become even more meaningless.

40+ years of franchise + icing the best team they`ve ever had = time to give up on them

makes sense to me.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:28 PM

This is all very pleasing to me, after being a huge canuck fan for over 20 years and the players and league showing they don't give a crap about the people that generate all the money they have been fighting over. I can't wait to watch this team fail at in every aspect of the game. i won't be watching the games but i sure will watch all the highlights just so i can cheer there trials and tribulations. This middle finger is for you canucks organization and i really hope you guys go 1-47.


Somebody feels rejected and unloved?

It is nice that you still have a bit of feeling for this team cuz you put them at 1-47 rather than 0-48. Heck, I'm sure as the team starts to get better results you'll ease up on the vitriol, climb back up on the bandwagon and hope that they'll finish the season 2-46.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:31 PM

Problem 1:

45 million committed to 10 of 23 players:

Schneider

Garrison, Edler, Hamhuis, Bieksa

Sedins, Burrows, Kesler, Booth

Next year's salary cap is just a touch over 60 million. 15 mill left for the rest (13 players) meaning there will be no more upgrading via UFA or trades unless someone from the above list is traded

Problem 2:

The core above didn't get the job done in 2011 (peak of our window) and are now older, more expensive and for some, got health issues (Kesler, Edler, Booth)

Problem 3:

We got absolutely nothing from the farm that can give us a boost. Where are our own versions of hubedeau, tarasenko or kadri?? In fact we are probably at the bottom of the league in terms of quality prospects. Edbett and Schroeder is the best we got? Kassian is a total failure.

Conclusion: likely mediocrity for the next 5 years until we start rebuilding again. How many more years before the Canucks can win the Cup? <_<


This foolish faith in an unproven choker of a goalie pretty much was the final nail in the coffin.
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You have to be a true bandwagoneer if you buy Mike's line about looking for the right deal to trade Luongo.

True fans and hockey diehards know, that is double talk for, "Luongo is a high ticket commodity now or next year, we'll keep him around just in case Schneider turns out to be a lemon and chokes games."

And choke he will.

I know this. I'm never wrong.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

This foolish faith in an unproven choker of a goalie pretty much was the final nail in the coffin.

Referring to....
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:48 PM

Referring to....

Referring to....


The choker they yanked after letting in 5 goals last night.
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You have to be a true bandwagoneer if you buy Mike's line about looking for the right deal to trade Luongo.

True fans and hockey diehards know, that is double talk for, "Luongo is a high ticket commodity now or next year, we'll keep him around just in case Schneider turns out to be a lemon and chokes games."

And choke he will.

I know this. I'm never wrong.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:52 PM

I love this sport. Jump off the Bandwagon please -- it was one game. Every time I see a topic like this I just think "Mr. Reputable"


Hey hey now, that ain't fair. My Centre Ice and Trap threads are quite useful.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:01 PM

The choker they yanked after letting in 5 goals last night.

Seriously, after one game and the entire team playing lousy?
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

And this is why other teams fan bases hate us.

ONE GAME PEOPLE, FORTY-SEVEN to go! Calm the f down!

Edited by Steven Stamkos' Mullet, 20 January 2013 - 02:11 PM.

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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

   ryan kesler is going to the chicago blackhawks ...       quote me on it


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:09 PM

Seriously, after one game and the entire team playing lousy?

And this is why other teams fan bases hate us.

ONE GAME PEOPLE, out of FORTY-SEVEN. Calm the f down!


Deja vu from when Luongo was No.1


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You have to be a true bandwagoneer if you buy Mike's line about looking for the right deal to trade Luongo.

True fans and hockey diehards know, that is double talk for, "Luongo is a high ticket commodity now or next year, we'll keep him around just in case Schneider turns out to be a lemon and chokes games."

And choke he will.

I know this. I'm never wrong.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:20 PM

Problem 1:

45 million committed to 10 of 23 players:

Schneider

Garrison, Edler, Hamhuis, Bieksa

Sedins, Burrows, Kesler, Booth

Next year's salary cap is just a touch over 60 million. 15 mill left for the rest (13 players) meaning there will be no more upgrading via UFA or trades unless someone from the above list is traded

Problem 2:

The core above didn't get the job done in 2011 (peak of our window) and are now older, more expensive and for some, got health issues (Kesler, Edler, Booth)

Problem 3:

We got absolutely nothing from the farm that can give us a boost. Where are our own versions of hubedeau, tarasenko or kadri?? In fact we are probably at the bottom of the league in terms of quality prospects. Edbett and Schroeder is the best we got? Kassian is a total failure.

Conclusion: likely mediocrity for the next 5 years until we start rebuilding again. How many more years before the Canucks can win the Cup? <_<


Problem 4:

Bandwagon fans like you <_<
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:51 PM

Frack people and their positive thinking. Fans have the right to be angry at all the things that are going wrong. It's just stupid to think Canucks is perfect or even great. For those who say it's only one game, this isn't the first time Canucks lose to Ducks by a large margin. This happens 8 out of 10 times. Whenever Canucks win against Ducks, it's only by 1 or 2 goals versus 5-6 goals vice versa. Canucks always need the perfect set up and a few dozen passes before a shot gets taken. Ducks skates in and does a casual wrister and it's in the back of the net. I'd be happy if a Canuck can even hit the net from 5 feet. Frack management for their seniority mentality and not respecting young players' performances. Frack AV for "disciplined plays" aka boring and predictable plays.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:00 PM

No kidding Sherlock! I was referring the type of player...bigger and faster...something this team hasn't had much of in the last few years. True Rodin's success is yet to be determined so I may be overly enthusiastic on him...but he's big and fast and just turned 22 so hopefully develops into what the team hoped when they drafted him.


LOL Rodin Big and fast. You must be new to the team.
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A Toast to Aquillini for getting Torterella.

An owner who knows what the people want.

That's entertainment.


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:09 PM

Unfortunately, this poster is fairly dead on. The Canucks have assembled a nice core moving forward, but will not be able to compete for a cup again with this group. Schneider will be great, and at a very fair price. Our 20-25 million dollar big 4/5 on defence are way too small to compete with the Blues, Kings and others in the west. Bieksa,Hamhuis, even Garrison. Edler is big, but doesn't play big. Ballard 4 Mil ???.

Outside of the two aging Sedins, our offence is a complete joke. After last years 2nd half and playoffs, Gillis's # 1 priority should have been to get a couple forwards who could put the puck in the net. Outside the twins(and Kesler if healthy), we probably don't have a top 60 forward in the league. How is that possible for a supposed contender ?? I like Burrows, but dozens and dozens of players would have his, or better #'s playing with the twins. We are stuck with a bunch of players nobody else wants...Lapierre,Higgins,Booth,Malhotra(hate putting him in this group, but he is useless now),Raymond,Volpatti, Ebbett......COME ON !!!! Where's the talent/skill ??? All hard working good guys.
Name a guy on our roster that could score those 2 goals 42 yr old Selanne scored last nite...NOBODY

Gillis's other huge mistake for this year was not taking ANYTHING at all for Luongo. Sorry guys, but he is done. The more he plays, the more evident it will become. We will be stuck buying him out after this year, and lose the Cap room this Spring. There will be a ton of great offensive players available at the deadline....with teams out of it prepping for the new cap next year. Guys like Kessel,Getzlaf,Perry etc. if their teams fall out of contention,and don't think they'll resign.

We should have taken Bozak as a 3rd line C, and anything, just to free up the space if nothing else. I like MG as a person, and believe he can sell Vancouver, and the team to get people to sign here for less (who wouldn't want to play here?). But he has absolutely no ability to judge (and more importantly) predict talent.

All this said, with a healthy Kesler (if healthy our MValuable player IMO), we will be a middle of the road playoff team for the next half decade at least. The rink will sell out, the team will continue to make gobs of money, but as this poster stated, the window for a Cup has unfortunately been shut, due to Gillis's inability to continue making this team better.


Wow! What a very intelligent first post! :picard:
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:19 PM

No jumping on the wagon here, everyone on it has aids mate.


Hmm, and you would know this because... ?

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:23 PM

Can we add labels to this forum? So I know who to ignore?
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:35 PM

Frack people and their positive thinking. Fans have the right to be angry at all the things that are going wrong. It's just stupid to think Canucks is perfect or even great. For those who say it's only one game, this isn't the first time Canucks lose to Ducks by a large margin. This happens 8 out of 10 times. Whenever Canucks win against Ducks, it's only by 1 or 2 goals versus 5-6 goals vice versa. Canucks always need the perfect set up and a few dozen passes before a shot gets taken. Ducks skates in and does a casual wrister and it's in the back of the net. I'd be happy if a Canuck can even hit the net from 5 feet. Frack management for their seniority mentality and not respecting young players' performances. Frack AV for "disciplined plays" aka boring and predictable plays.


its the ducks....

their top defenseman is cam fowler.

STFU
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:43 PM

Frack people and their positive thinking. Fans have the right to be angry at all the things that are going wrong.


Nothing wrong with positive thinking, fans have a right to still feel positive about their team even if there has been a minor set-back. "All of the things that are going wrong" can be remedied, with a bit of effort on the part of the players, the coaches and management over time. Time is measured as the amount needed before Kesler and Booth return, and if/when Luongo is traded this season. If you wish to be angry about this, knock yourself out it it makes you feel better, but I suspect it will lead to an ulcer.


It's just stupid to think Canucks is perfect or even great.


Yup. Not sure who is suggesting that sort of thing. You may wish to re-read those posts when you are a bit less annoyed.


For those who say it's only one game, this isn't the first time Canucks lose to Ducks by a large margin. This happens 8 out of 10 times. Whenever Canucks win against Ducks, it's only by 1 or 2 goals versus 5-6 goals vice versa.


Yeah, they've done fairly well against the Canucksover the last few seasons. And the Canucks have lost to other teams by a large margin. It will probably happen again, but not too often. The challenge is to let it go when a loss such this happens, otherwise they'll always be losing like that rather than seldomly losing like that. I think they've been pretty sucessful in that regard.


Canucks always need the perfect set up and a few dozen passes before a shot gets taken. Ducks skates in and does a casual wrister and it's in the back of the net. I'd be happy if a Canuck can even hit the net from 5 feet. Frack management for their seniority mentality and not respecting young players' performances. Frack AV for "disciplined plays" aka boring and predictable plays.


Yeah, those "casual" plays like Anaheim has got them to 25th place last season and out of the playoffs two of the last three seasons. Yeah, the Canucks should go that route.


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:47 PM

Hate to tell u nazi mods the truth but he's right, it's not the players that I hate or the coaches... It's the idiotic owners. I would boycott the entire NHL if people would do it with me. I'm too much of a hockey fan not too watch though.. If someone dangled cash in front of your face wouldn't u take it? But maybe a year or two later we should take some of it back because u gave too much money away. It's a disgrace that the higher eshilon of players made the PA look bad because they are the rich ones and they fought but if not them then who? Yah they are over payed... but for the two sides to come to an agreement after this long is a slap in the face to every fan who stuck by the nhl through 2 lockouts and now 3. its an absolute joke and I for one am disgusted to even look at some of these posts and comments, u all are horrible brainwashed bandwagoners who probably would lick the juices from filthy mod scum instead of actually saying what u feel, good riddance and good on you for speaking up dragon!
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:47 PM

I hate u all

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:47 PM

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Edited by canucks_universe, 20 January 2013 - 04:00 PM.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:47 PM

Nothing wrong with positive thinking, fans have a right to still feel positive about their team even if there has been a minor set-back. "All of the things that are going wrong" can be remedied, with a bit of effort on the part of the players, the coaches and management over time. Time is measured as the amount needed before Kesler and Booth return, and if/when Luongo is traded this season. If you wish to be angry about this, knock yourself out it it makes you feel better, but I suspect it will lead to an ulcer.




Yup. Not sure who is suggesting that sort of thing. You may wish to re-read those posts when you are a bit less annoyed.




Yeah, they've done fairly well against the Canucksover the last few seasons. And the Canucks have lost to other teams by a large margin. It will probably happen again, but not too often. The challenge is to let it go when a loss such this happens, otherwise they'll always be losing like that rather than seldomly losing like that. I think they've been pretty sucessful in that regard.




Yeah, those "casual" plays like Anaheim has got them to 25th place last season and out of the playoffs two of the last three seasons. Yeah, the Canucks should go that route.


regards,
G.


Yeah, they only got a stanley cup. That's certainly a path Canucks is trying to avoid.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:59 PM

Yeah, they only got a stanley cup. That's certainly a path Canucks is trying to avoid.

regards,
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Yeah, and how's that worked out for them since then? If you want to use "they only got a stanley cup" as a measure of success then the Canucks should maybe try to model themselves after the Leafs. They only won 13 stanley cups.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:06 PM

"Quietly putting in places" = draft picks. Every NHL team drafts players annually. This is not something exclusive to the Canucks or Mike Gillis.

And you're really including Anton Rodin in that list of "next generation" for the Canucks?


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:07 PM

Hmm, and you would know this because... ?

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I hope your hockey knowledge is as good as your comebacks, go get mommy to make u more sandwiches and forget about hockey, go get some aids they helped jared

Edited by canucks_universe, 20 January 2013 - 04:14 PM.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:09 PM

Deja vu from when Luongo was No.1


Exactly.

We always lose our season opener, even with Lu we have lost every one in recent memory.

This is the exact reason we can't turn on Schneider, call him a choker, exc.

Lu/the team has struggled in every home opener and look how much Lu/the team has brought us, and it will be the same for Schneids, don't see any reason to overreact other than CDC being full of whiners.
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