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#1 rizzuto&hatoum

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:47 PM

Did you see Manny losing 3 straight faceoffs on the first PK, the last one to a winger (Selanne) on the Souray goal? They were all lost on the right faceoff dot in front of the goalie.

On the next PK, AV inserted Lapierre, instead of Malhotra, on the right dot face-off, which Hamhuis fumbled on and allowed Perry to score.

Appears AV has lost a bit of confidence in a guy who's forte is no longer his forte. It's a sin to lose a faceoff to a winger, maybe even more than once.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:51 PM

Manny needs to retire. Totally a lame player since his injury
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:53 PM

Malholtra is not the same player anymore. Ever since his injury, he's been a liability which is unfortunate.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:54 PM

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Selanne is one of the best players ever to lace them up.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:55 PM

Manny has definitely become a liability, feel bad for him.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:56 PM

Manny didn't play that well, but the faceoff dot on the right side is not the strong side for any left-handed centreman.

Guarantee that if Kesler was playing or Lapierre wasn't in the box, either of them would've taken that faceoff instead of Manny
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:58 PM

Selanne is one of the best players ever to lace them up.


That's besides the point. He's a winger, and our supposed ace centre at face-offs lost it to him. I really love Manny and the leadership he brings, but since that injury, he has been really below average. He dropped from our 3rd to 4th line and is showing no signs of improvement. I'm hoping it's just a bad start to the year, but it doesn't seem that way.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:00 PM

That's besides the point. He's a winger, and our supposed ace centre at face-offs lost it to him. I really love Manny and the leadership he brings, but since that injury, he has been really below average. He dropped from our 3rd to 4th line and is showing no signs of improvement. I'm hoping it's just a bad start to the year, but it doesn't seem that way.


Just because he's a winger doesn't automatically make him garbage at faceoffs. He fought hard for that faceoff win.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:09 PM

His faceoffs were just as good last year after the injury as they were before it. The only thing I think might affect him is not being allowed to use your glove to push it back, which he does often when it's not a clean win. I'll reserve judgement until we have a larger sample size to go on, but I'll do the same to see if he's been able to gain back any of his ability in open play as well.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:10 PM

Malholtra looks even worse than he was last season... Sadly i think this is his last year here.. Great guy but man he is not looking good at all.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:14 PM

Imagine a 4th line of Volpatti-Lapierre-Weise, they're going to destroy when everyone is healthy. Malholtra better not be the on the team. His play could end up costing us a playoff spot in this shortened season, I would rather have Schroeder.

The only thing Manny is better at then Schroeder imo is faceoffs and he's not that great at them either anymore....


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:17 PM

Manny didn't play that well, but the faceoff dot on the right side is not the strong side for any left-handed centreman.

Guarantee that if Kesler was playing or Lapierre wasn't in the box, either of them would've taken that faceoff instead of Manny

There's your answer right there.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:22 PM

Just because he's a winger doesn't automatically make him garbage at faceoffs. He fought hard for that faceoff win.

its not just because he is a winger... he is an all star caliber player.... which means he is good in most positions...
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:26 PM

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We finally get a perfect 3rd line center and he get's half blinded not even 1/3 through his contract.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:28 PM

Yeah as was stated once, but ignored by many.. Manny takes faceoffs on the left dot, of all his faceoffs last year (he took the most in the NHL) only 13% were on the right side.

He won a lot more than ebbett did.. that guy mid as well just hand the puck to the other team and save 5 seconds.

Edited by G-52, 20 January 2013 - 01:29 PM.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:51 PM

Yeah as was stated once, but ignored by many.. Manny takes faceoffs on the left dot, of all his faceoffs last year (he took the most in the NHL) only 13% were on the right side.

He won a lot more than ebbett did.. that guy mid as well just hand the puck to the other team and save 5 seconds.


Why does it matter where he takes the faceoffs? His great contribution to the team is ....... faceoffs.

Also Ebbett is not a faceoff 'specialist' like Manny and doesnt get paid 2.5m to do it.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:11 PM

It's weird how a bad eye can completely change the players skating, stickhandling, shot, conditioning, etc
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:12 PM

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Why does it matter where he takes the faceoffs? His great contribution to the team is ....... faceoffs.

Also Ebbett is not a faceoff 'specialist' like Manny and doesnt get paid 2.5m to do it.


Nearly all hockey players are stronger at winning a faceoff on their backhand than their forehand.

When a faceoff is taken in the defensive zone, the linseman dropping the puck always positions himself to the outside of the slot, on the side closest to the boards. When the faceoff is on the left side, this works in favour of a left-handed defensive centreman, as his right side is not being obstructed by the linseman, allowing him to attempt to win the faceoff on the backhand.

When the faceoff is on the right side, the linseman obstructs the right side of the defensive centreman. This makes it more difficult to win a faceoff on the backhand.

So yes, it does matter where he takes the faceoff. He is more likely to win a faceoff taken on the left side than the right.

Edited by Brad Marchand, 20 January 2013 - 02:22 PM.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:16 PM

It's weird how a bad eye can completely change the players skating, stickhandling, shot, conditioning, etc


I know, just like a disabled person who can't function like a normal person. It is really weird...
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

Manny didn't play that well, but the faceoff dot on the right side is not the strong side for any left-handed centreman.

Guarantee that if Kesler was playing or Lapierre wasn't in the box, either of them would've taken that faceoff instead of Manny


Good point however, Manny failed to perform in any meaningful way outside of faceoffs either. SInce his injury he does not appear able to handle the puck effectively and I have yet to see him actually attack or carry the puck into a zone. He gets the puck up to center(sometimes) and chips it in and heads to the bench. His forecheck is non-existent and for one of our biggest forwards, he seldom hits anyone.

I feel sorry for him 'cause he was a stud before his injury. TIme to move on gracefully and take a coaching/scouting role.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:56 PM

I'm sorry, really, but he is the definition of a plug. By far the worst player on the team, he is bad at hockey.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:34 PM

One game. Settle your tits.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:39 PM

The ducks looked confused when Volpatti and Weise came out flying and hitting everything in sight. Must of not been used to seeing that from the nucks, we need more of that.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

Ummmm;

Manny is 220 lbs and is being asked to play a defensive role; predominantly against opponents top lines from draws in the defensive end.

Schroeder is 175 lbs. No way AV or any other coach is putting him in to take a draw against Getzlaf in our end, for an important draw. They will be here together for most of the year for completely different roles...

Imagine a 4th line of Volpatti-Lapierre-Weise, they're going to destroy when everyone is healthy. Malholtra better not be the on the team. His play could end up costing us a playoff spot in this shortened season, I would rather have Schroeder.

The only thing Manny is better at then Schroeder imo is faceoffs and he's not that great at them either anymore....


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:57 PM

One game. Settle your tits.


WIth regards to Manny it has been over a season where his play is no longer effective. If he can't dominate face-offs, kill penalties, shut-down top lines or bottle up teams in their end, exactly what is his role that justifies $2.5M?
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:03 PM

The ducks looked confused when Volpatti and Weise came out flying and hitting everything in sight. Must of not been used to seeing that from the nucks, we need more of that.

Yes we do -on the third and second lines.Forget the first line dream as Gillis' one move was Kassian,whom was not exactly a Raffi Torres wrecking ball last night.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

That had to be our worst face off game as a team that I have ever seen.. I think henrik was high or something, he couldn't buy a face off win for the longest time. Then he got waved out on one and burrows comes in and wins it lol.

These guys are just a little rusty. I actually like the dynamic of our 4th line right now. Best faceoff guy in the league, a defensive specialist and mentor for the haywire goons in manny. With weise and Volpatti bangin the bodies on the wings I think they could be very effective.

I agree that lappy would be the best 4th line center in the league though.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:38 PM

Manny cant even ???? see anymore, how's he suppose to win faceoffs?

i love that we hold onto these "charity" cases like when Pyatts fiancée died, Manny loses his Vision in right eye, etc. because we feel obligated to keep them around

Manny has never come out once and said what his vision is like in that eye, if it's like 45-60% WTF ARE WE DOING KEEPING HIM?
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

bottom line , when weise is your most energetic noticeable player , theres something wrong
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 05:06 PM

Manny cant even ???? see anymore, how's he suppose to win faceoffs?

i love that we hold onto these "charity" cases like when Pyatts fiancée died, Manny loses his Vision in right eye, etc. because we feel obligated to keep them around

Manny has never come out once and said what his vision is like in that eye, if it's like 45-60% WTF ARE WE DOING KEEPING HIM?


I agree, it seems like were only keeping him on the team because management feel we would look bad by waiving or trading him.

It's great that he's a team guy and good in the locker room and all that, but his skill set isnt even AHL level at this point. I watched the shifts Wiese and Volpatti had last night, they did all the hardwork, Manny barely even got to touch the puck. They even avoid passing to him at times.

If he embraces the 4th line engery role, i wont be bitching about him, but the guy does not hit anyone. 6'2 220lbs and he's easier to knock off the puck than Raymond.

MG and AV said everyone (outside of the core players) will have to earn their spots, then Malhotra who does nothing has his spot locked.

Could you imagine how frustarted JS must've felt hearing he will get sent down when he did everything he could to earn a spot.
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