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#1 RyanKeslord17

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:15 PM

They can't go on much longer icing two great goalies that should both be starters. Management has to decide on one goalie and move forward. I'm not saying by any stretch that Schneider will continue to play like that every game if Luongo is here, but he will constantly have it in the back of his mind. Every goal Schneider lets in, he'll be looking to the bench to see if Roberto is coming in.

It's not the same for Schneider anymore. A decision was made last playoffs that Schneider is supposedly our go to guy, and we locked him up for the next 3 years. The pressure is much higher this year, and having Luongo on the bench is a nice option for us, but for Cory, it is probably a nightmare. If we get an actual back-up, he can relax a little, and know that all our faith is truly on him.

Also, say Luongo comes in and gets a shutout tonight, or plays absolutely amazing, AV will continue to play him, like he said, the better goalie plays. This decreases Schneider's confidence completely. I know Luongo and Cory have nothing against one and other, and they are supportive for each other, but inside, Lu wants his job back, whether it's here or elsewhere.

Trade one of the two, preferably Luongo, as we have already made a decision once already to trade Lu.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:17 PM

They can't go on much longer icing two great goalies that should both be starters. Management has to decide on one goalie and move forward. I'm not saying by any stretch that Schneider will continue to play like that every game if Luongo is here, but he will constantly have it in the back of his mind. Every goal Schneider lets in, he'll be looking to the bench to see if Roberto is coming in.

It's not the same for Schneider anymore. A decision was made last playoffs that Schneider is supposedly our go to guy, and we locked him up for the next 3 years. The pressure is much higher this year, and having Luongo on the bench is a nice option for us, but for Cory, it is probably a nightmare. If we get an actual back-up, he can relax a little, and know that all our faith is truly on him.

Also, say Luongo comes in and gets a shutout tonight, or plays absolutely amazing, AV will continue to play him, like he said, the better goalie play. This decreases Schneider's confidence completely. I know Luongo and Cory have nothing against one and other, and they are supportive for each other, but inside, Lu wants his job back, whether it's here or elsewhere.

Trade one of the two, preferably Luongo, as we have already made a decision once already to trade Lu.


Actually, a decision doesn't have to be made quick.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:17 PM

Totally agree. I thought this could work with the 2 of them this season but its clearly not going to.. Its a mess already and its been 1 game. The fanbase on here is already divided.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:20 PM

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:21 PM

This is going to be a disaster of a season I knew that was going to happen last night and I have a feeling same thing will happen against the Oilers tonight, but could be worse...

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:23 PM

AV made the wrong decision here.... if schneids is "our no. 1 guy" then he would be starting tonight.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:24 PM

We are in a bad situation. I wouldn't doubt it MG rides it out. We don't have to win this year.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:25 PM

so make the decision then OP. And inform canucks management what your decision is.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:27 PM

Wow you guys really need to keep away from the panic button. It's been 1 game, that's it.

And if you're really going to try and use this as motivation to trade Lu, that's just crazy. If you think Cory can't handle the pressure of Luongo, how do you expect him to handle the pressure of winning a cup?

Keep them both here until one proves they can handle the job alone.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

How can having 2 good goalies be bad? what they don't need is having to pull your goalie everynight. only 1 game and the bandwagoners are already jumping off. typical Vancouver fans.

IMO having a highly paid guy like luongo on the bench is not good business sense. so a deal needs to be done but Van needs to get a solid D and a 2nd line centre and a draft pick

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

AV made the wrong decision here.... if schneids is "our no. 1 guy" then he would be starting tonight.


Actually, AV's making the right call here (as rare as that may be) since this avoids the possibility of Cory getting pulled in back to back nights. Which would really call for controversy.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:33 PM

I'd rather see the team hold all cards until the trade deadline. that's when teams overpay and get fleeced for spare parts, what do you think a luongo would command in terms of return at the trade deadline? A top six forward, a blue chip propect and a 1st? Maybe something even better... Patience...
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

The decision has already been made. We have played ONE game.. please go away.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

Actually, AV's making the right call here (as rare as that may be) since this avoids the possibility of Cory getting pulled in back to back nights. Which would really call for controversy.


So, basically, he doesn't trust Schneider anymore after ONE game? Man, that speaks a lot about his confidence in Schneider. To risk the possibility of being yanked in back to back games is ridiculous. If he doesn't trust Schneider anymore after only one game, we've got a huge problem here.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:36 PM

Tuuka Rask lost his job to 38 year old Tim Thomas who went on to win the cup, vezina, and conn smythe.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:41 PM

They can't go on much longer icing two great goalies that should both be starters. Management has to decide on one goalie and move forward. I'm not saying by any stretch that Schneider will continue to play like that every game if Luongo is here, but he will constantly have it in the back of his mind. Every goal Schneider lets in, he'll be looking to the bench to see if Roberto is coming in.

It's not the same for Schneider anymore. A decision was made last playoffs that Schneider is supposedly our go to guy, and we locked him up for the next 3 years. The pressure is much higher this year, and having Luongo on the bench is a nice option for us, but for Cory, it is probably a nightmare. If we get an actual back-up, he can relax a little, and know that all our faith is truly on him.

Also, say Luongo comes in and gets a shutout tonight, or plays absolutely amazing, AV will continue to play him, like he said, the better goalie plays. This decreases Schneider's confidence completely. I know Luongo and Cory have nothing against one and other, and they are supportive for each other, but inside, Lu wants his job back, whether it's here or elsewhere.

Trade one of the two, preferably Luongo, as we have already made a decision once already to trade Lu.


Why a decision has to be made after one game? And if Schneider gets injured after we trade Luongo, then what? Pretty stupid to rush in decision making. Just relax and watch the game today, yesterday wasn't a good game for all the players in the Canucks uni .

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:41 PM

Here's the deal - I believe a decision was likely made but, until you find the right trading partner, you can't force things to happen with other teams. I like that patience has been exercised in not allowing the predicament to render an emergency or urgent status that has us getting the raw end of a deal. Lu is a valuable commodity and other teams would pry on any desperation to "get it done" in trying to give us less in return than what he command. Until the right thing comes along for everyone involved, we aren't forced to do anything and can sit back with a pretty solid goaltender tandem. The guys have already likely gotten used to this rather awkward situation so, for now at least, it is what it is.

People speak as if we are the only interested party and can simply "do" this, but we can't. We have to find a team that is willing to negotiate a fair and reasonable deal and, until that happens, nothing is happening (despite it being best that it does).

Teams will become more desperate as their own goaltenders falter....then the values increase. Right now, not so much.....

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So, basically, he doesn't trust Schneider anymore after ONE game? Man, that speaks a lot about his confidence in Schneider. To risk the possibility of being yanked in back to back games is ridiculous. If he doesn't trust Schneider anymore after only one game, we've got a huge problem here.



It appears to have NOTHING to do with this ("picking" one over the other) at all....it's actually a team, sticking to their gameplan and is NOT decided on a fly by night basis. Back to backs and each goaltender was to be assigned a start....that actually makes it easier in that no feathers are ruffled because it's not a matter of choosing one over the other, it was a game plan already in place. I had the same thinking as you, until I heard AV's interview and realized that it made sense.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:42 PM

So, basically, he doesn't trust Schneider anymore after ONE game? Man, that speaks a lot about his confidence in Schneider. To risk the possibility of being yanked in back to back games is ridiculous. If he doesn't trust Schneider anymore after only one game, we've got a huge problem here.


To suggest trading our proven player for a guy who got pulled in his first game as "starter" is far more ridiculous.

If Cory starts tonight and gets pulled, that would be a far bigger confidence crusher than sitting him for a game.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:42 PM

So, basically, he doesn't trust Schneider anymore after ONE game? Man, that speaks a lot about his confidence in Schneider. To risk the possibility of being yanked in back to back games is ridiculous. If he doesn't trust Schneider anymore after only one game, we've got a huge problem here.


You are worst than a girl with these stupid drama making gossips. Just shut it and watch the game. No need to overreact over a regular season loss. We won't win every game, and this type of game was bound to happen with no training camp and a long layoff.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:44 PM

Actually, AV's making the right call here (as rare as that may be) since this avoids the possibility of Cory getting pulled in back to back nights. Which would really call for controversy.


I agree that playing Lu tonight makes sense. Anything else would be insulting to Lu. That said, I was thinking the same thing as the OP. This situation has to be tough on both guys and will make it harder for Schneider to play with confidence.

Still, MG cannot give Lu away. Let's just hope both guys find their game soon.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:46 PM

Still wish we would of traded him for Kadri and some other pieces, Kadri would look A LOT better then Ebbett right now, and he could replace Cody.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:46 PM

I'd rather just get Mckinnon in the draft. I doubt even if we finished last in the league that we would get him, but maybe we could trade up I dono. I'm not saying the canucks are done this season by any means, just thinking we need talented young players for the future, be nice to get two first rounders this year :)
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:48 PM

This is going to be a disaster of a season I knew that was going to happen last night and I have a feeling same thing will happen against the Oilers tonight, but could be worse...


Maybe you should go cheer the Oilers. Its obvious the Canucks won't make the playoffs after losing ONE game. Time to pack it up boys, it is a foregone conclusion. So this years draft lottery teams will include Canucks, Flyers, Capitals, Red Wings, Kings and Predators.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

Maybe you should go cheer the Oilers. Its obvious the Canucks won't make the playoffs after losing ONE game. Time to pack it up boys, it is a foregone conclusion. So this years draft lottery teams will include Canucks, Flyers, Capitals, Red Wings, Kings and Predators.


Man, we get it, one game. I still think we finish very high in the standing. It's not that we lost, it's the way we lost. Giving up 7 goals to a team that isn't exactly loaded with talent is somewhat worrying, even if it is an opening game. The Ducks were opening as well. Hopefully a much better effort will be put fourth tonight against the Oilers.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:57 PM

Omg its our first game these guys havent played for awile give them a couple ov games to get in the grove just relax things will get better and having luongo there is a bonus i beleive he can still help out when called upon luongo is a world clase goalie and dont u think he has somthing to prove this year he will be our guy this year u watch wich is fine by me luongo rules.....

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:59 PM

wow some people went crazy over the lockout. or do we have a new breed of bandwagoners...now that this is all the news...get on board.
we have the best tandom in the league, relax.
our only problem is that rediculious contract of lous. the nucks should buy him out and re sign him at minimum. then we would have the best tandom and lots of cap space.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

wow some people went crazy over the lockout. or do we have a new breed of bandwagoners...now that this is all the news...get on board.
we have the best tandom in the league, relax.
our only problem is that rediculious contract of lous. the nucks should buy him out and re sign him at minimum. then we would have the best tandom and lots of cap space.


Oh the irony...
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

Maybe you should go cheer the Oilers. Its obvious the Canucks won't make the playoffs after losing ONE game. Time to pack it up boys, it is a foregone conclusion. So this years draft lottery teams will include Canucks, Flyers, Capitals, Red Wings, Kings and Predators.


It's not that we lost one game.. its a 48 game season and we always start slow and then goalie drama and injuries... things aren't looking too good.

We're going to be without Kesler and Booth for atleast a month. Did you see the 2nd line? Do you think we are going to make the playoffs playing like that? Atleast those other teams aren't missing their 2nd line.

Oh and Losing Booth and Kesler means we lose a lot of grit also. Our first line is the softest in the league, Kesler and Booth and the rest of the team made up for that with their gritty play, we are a much easier team to play against without those two.

AVs gameplan relies a lot on faceoffs, With Kesler out that screws everything up.

Atleast Hodgson was good enough to cover for Kesler while he was out, Ebbetts terrible and AV doesn't seem to want to give JS a chance.

Only way we make playoffs imo is if our goalies play lights out till they return or we get something good for Luongo.

Edmonton, Minny, Calgary improved a lot while we are worse then last year.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

This is the last time I post and/or venture into Canucks Talk for a very long time. It amazes me the sheer stupidity and panic that sets in to these armchair GM geniuses.

We actually have a thread (locked) titled "Hodgson 1, Kassian 0". Like for real. You wonder why people hate Canucks fans so much. CDC - Canucks Talk is the perfect example why.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:30 PM

All the other teams in the league wouldlike to have 2 elite goalies. Why rush it.
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