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#1 Wetcoaster

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:38 AM

In 2011 there were 32,163 deaths in the US from firearms (11,101 homicides) - an average of 88 per day.

And gun suicides... in 2011 there were 19,766.

And that is just deaths, not injuries by firearms. Firearm injury in the United States has averaged 32,300 deaths annually between 1980 and 2007. It is the second leading cause of injury death after motor vehicle crashes. While the ratio varies, there are an average of five nonfatal firearm injuries for every two firearm deaths.
http://www.uphs.upen...f/monograph.pdf

And as that study by the University of Pennsylvania, Firearms Research Centrer notes gun control coupled with aggressive enforcement works and they cite New York as an example.

New York City experienced a large increase in the rate of firearm homicides in the late 1980s and early 1990s. After aggressive policing tactics and regulations beginning in 1994 in the City, New York State’s firearm homicide rate is now lower than in the rest of the country.



And the cost both in lives and dollars is staggering.

Two years ago, 30,470 people died from homicides or suicides using firearms, according to data compiled by the CDC. Guns were the most common means of homicides and suicides, the latter of which accounted for nearly two-thirds of the deaths. Suicide by firearm was the leading cause of violence-related injury deaths in 2010, followed by homicides with firearms, the CDC reported. Together, they made up 57 percent of violent deaths.

Gun-related fatalities are on pace to surpass deaths from automobile collisions by 2015, Bloomberg News reported Wednesday.

The CDC attempts to put a price tag on gun violence in an earlier report. Combining the direct medical costs of treating fatal gun injuries with the economic damage of lost lives, firearms-related deaths cost the United States $37 billion in 2005, the most recent year for which a CDC estimate is available. Non-fatal gun injuries cost an additional $3.7 billion that year, according to the agency.

http://www.huffingto..._n_2325706.html

Edited by Wetcoaster, 21 January 2013 - 09:42 AM.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:02 AM

In 2011 there were 32,163 deaths in the US from firearms (11,101 homicides) - an average of 88 per day.

And gun suicides... in 2011 there were 19,766.

And that is just deaths, not injuries by firearms. Firearm injury in the United States has averaged 32,300 deaths annually between 1980 and 2007. It is the second leading cause of injury death after motor vehicle crashes. While the ratio varies, there are an average of five nonfatal firearm injuries for every two firearm deaths.
http://www.uphs.upen...f/monograph.pdf

And as that study by the University of Pennsylvania, Firearms Research Centrer notes gun control coupled with aggressive enforcement works and they cite New York as an example.

New York City experienced a large increase in the rate of firearm homicides in the late 1980s and early 1990s. After aggressive policing tactics and regulations beginning in 1994 in the City, New York State’s firearm homicide rate is now lower than in the rest of the country.



And the cost both in lives and dollars is staggering.

Two years ago, 30,470 people died from homicides or suicides using firearms, according to data compiled by the CDC. Guns were the most common means of homicides and suicides, the latter of which accounted for nearly two-thirds of the deaths. Suicide by firearm was the leading cause of violence-related injury deaths in 2010, followed by homicides with firearms, the CDC reported. Together, they made up 57 percent of violent deaths.

Gun-related fatalities are on pace to surpass deaths from automobile collisions by 2015, Bloomberg News reported Wednesday.

The CDC attempts to put a price tag on gun violence in an earlier report. Combining the direct medical costs of treating fatal gun injuries with the economic damage of lost lives, firearms-related deaths cost the United States $37 billion in 2005, the most recent year for which a CDC estimate is available. Non-fatal gun injuries cost an additional $3.7 billion that year, according to the agency.

http://www.huffingto..._n_2325706.html

This is wrong. Highly wrong, no surprise the Huffington post makes **** up to justify gun control bias.

http://www.guardian....e-us-state#data

In 2011, New York state had the 8th worst (since DC isn't a state) gun murder rate.

The lowest rate belongs to Hawaii which has a fraction of New York gun murder rates, but let's look at the 10 states with the lowest gun murder rates:

1) Hawaii
2) New Hampshire
3) Rhode Island
4) South Dakota
5) Iowa
6) Vermont
7) Montana
8) Minnesota
9) Maine
10)North Dakota

Also, forgive me if I don't trust CDC estimates, since the OMB (also part of a Presidential cabinet) estimates on every budget is grossly exaggerated in favour of those with a political stake in estimates.

Overall, this is an awful article, not educating whatsoever. It's part of the media's attempt to influence gun politics, and surely gun control sycophants will eat it up without questioning it.

Edited by zaibatsu, 21 January 2013 - 10:04 AM.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:02 AM

In 2011 there were 32,163 deaths in the US from firearms (11,101 homicides) - an average of 88 per day.

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Those figures are definitely an eye opener. Unfortunately, it is only those people who are able to think objectively and look at the big picture who will see and hear the message in the words you've posted. The others will look at those numbers and try to pass them off as the cost of maintaining their constitutional rights, the collateral damage of being able to pack around body armour piercing ammunition and the weapons to utilize it with. Yet the populace complains bitterly about the lack of funding in certain areas....vital areas......but will continue to support the massive amount of $$$$ having to be paid out due to the cost of gun deaths and injuries. The ignorance is unbelievable.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:04 AM

Those figures are definitely an eye opener. Unfortunately, it is only those people who are able to think objectively and look at the big picture who will see and hear the message in the words you've posted. The others will look at those numbers and try to pass them off as the cost of maintaining their constitutional rights, the collateral damage of being able to pack around body armour piercing ammunition and the weapons to utilize it with. Yet the populace complains bitterly about the lack of funding in certain areas....vital areas......but will continue to support the massive amount of $$$$ having to be paid out due to the cost of gun deaths and injuries. The ignorance is unbelievable.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:08 AM

This is wrong. Highly wrong, no surprise the Huffington post makes **** up to justify gun control bias.

http://www.guardian....e-us-state#data

In 2011, New York state had the 8th worst (since DC isn't a state) gun murder rate.

The lowest rate belongs to Hawaii which has a fraction of New York gun murder rates, but let's look at the 10 states with the lowest gun murder rates:

1) Hawaii
2) New Hampshire
3) Rhode Island
4) South Dakota
5) Iowa
6) Vermont
7) Montana
8) Minnesota
9) Maine
10)North Dakota

Also, forgive me if I don't trust CDC estimates, since the OMB (also part of a Presidential cabinet) estimates on every budget is grossly exaggerated in favour of those with a political stake in estimates.

Overall, this is an awful article, not educating whatsoever. It's part of the media's attempt to influence gun politics, and surely gun control sycophants will eat it up without questioning it.

The usual NRA talking points again.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:10 AM

What does the CDC have to do with firearms? shouldn't this type of research belong to ATF? curious

regardless, that's a lot of money
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well I'm sorry that gd is soo perfect


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:14 AM

The usual NRA talking points again.


You don't know very much about US politics, so I can't blame you for repeating this nonsense yet again. Your inability to critically assess a source is blatant.

What does the CDC have to do with firearms? shouldn't this type of research belong to ATF? curious

regardless, that's a lot of money

ATF is an enforcement division. The only research they have IIRC is related to fire safety.

Edited by zaibatsu, 21 January 2013 - 10:15 AM.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:15 AM

ATF is an enforcement division. The only research they have IIRC is related to fire safety.


oh ok thanks
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well I'm sorry that gd is soo perfect


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:31 AM

What does the CDC have to do with firearms? shouldn't this type of research belong to ATF? curious

regardless, that's a lot of money

Deaths and injuries (from whatever source) impact upon public health concerns which is why the CDC and others such as Harvard University's School of Public Health, Injury Control Research Center with its Firearms Research branch as well as other universities produce research and studies such as I linked to above from the University of Pennsylvania.

There was also the recent comprehensive public health study by the federally sponsored National Research Council and Institute of Medicine found the U.S. near the bottom of 17 affluent countries for life expectancy that looked at risky behaviours and factors that included firearm deaths and injuries titled U.S. Health in International Perspectives: Shorter Lives, Poorer Health
http://www.nap.edu/c...record_id=13497

Of course the NRA and similar apologists dismiss such research because it has an "anti-gun agenda". Given the deaths injuries and costs it seems that such an agenda is in the public health interest and that gun control (not banning of guns) is a viable solution to try to stem the carnage.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:32 AM

You don't know very much about US politics, so I can't blame you for repeating this nonsense yet again. Your inability to critically assess a source is blatant.

Odd that any number of people, the majority of them in the US, see the same thing, eh?
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:38 AM

The NRA is constantly working to block any research into firearm issues, so as to deny the enlightened masses any chance at comparative analysis .. those who adopt a "head in the sand" mentality towards actual research are very worried that their last bastion of ignorance will be removed and they will crumble before the very winds of change .. do you have any idea how silly y'all look with your heads in the sand and yer arses all vulnerable like that? .. no wonder San Francisco has few such folk left .. :rolleyes:
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:43 AM

The NRA is constantly working to block any research into firearm issues, so as to deny the enlightened masses any chance at comparative analysis .. those who adopt a "head in the sand" mentality towards actual research are very worried that their last bastion of ignorance will be removed and they will crumble before the very winds of change .. do you have any idea how silly y'all look with your heads in the sand and yer arses all vulnerable like that? .. no wonder San Francisco has few such folk left .. :rolleyes:

That approach did work for decades for Big Tobacco but finally the research and statistics overwhelmed the vested interests.

Perhaps we are seeing the beginning of a similar process in respect of firearm deaths and injuries. One can only hope.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:46 AM

Guns just add to the country-dividing politics down there, where the civil war never really, truly ended. And according to Ben Shapiro, if slaves had guns, they wouldn't have been slaves, and therefore there wouldn't have been a civil war. Wow. Can't deny the logic. Guns unite 'merica!


What i don't get is how 'the left' is to be blamed for gun control and media manipulation.

Um, what 'left?'

I hope they aren't referring to Obama. Any true left movement in that country died long ago and anything that starts up now is treated like a terror group.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:48 AM

That approach did work for decades for Big Tobacco but finally the research and statistics overwhelmed the vested interests.

Perhaps we are seeing the beginning of a similar process in respect of firearm deaths and injuries. One can only hope.


Hope and change .. the eternal wish to better ourselves .. "we shall overcome" .. like wind and water, we shall slowly wear the recalcitrant down to a nub .. either that or they shall self-annihilate due to an overload of massive fire power .. one can only hope ..
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

I wonder how many were related to the drug war..
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:41 PM

Odd that any number of people, the majority of them in the US, see the same thing, eh?

And the majority of Americans are religious.. your point?
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:44 PM

And the majority of Americans are religious.. your point?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:05 PM

how much do vehicle accidents cost?
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:05 PM

Apples and orangutans.

Of course it is. :lol:
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:07 PM

Of course it is. :lol:

Glad you agree.

As always I am...

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:14 PM

how much do vehicle accidents cost?

Quite a bit. And it is recognized as a serious public health issue.

Which is why motor vehicles are highly regulated from manufacture and production through sale and during use including not only registration of the motor vehicle but also the owner of said vehicle and the operator.

Motor vehicles manufacturers are also subject to liability unlike firearms manufacturers.

You have made an excellent observation that highlights why gun control laws need to be enhanced in the US. Well done.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

Quite a bit. And it is recognized as a serious public health issue.

Which is why motor vehicles are highly regulated from manufacture and production through sale and during use including not only registration of the motor vehicle but also the owner of said vehicle and the operator.

Motor vehicles manufacturers are also subject to liability unlike firearms manufacturers.

You have made an excellent observation that highlights why gun control laws need to be enhanced in the US. Well done.

No, but this highlights your anti-gun slant quite aptly.

A manufacturer is not responsible for negligent use of a vehicle they made like an accident from drunken driving.

A manufacturer is not responsible for negligent use of a gun they made that was used to shoot up a school.

Yet anti-gun nuts are doing their best to try and make gun manufacturers responsible for murders with them. I see that happening when Toyota, Honda, etc. are successfully sued for morons drinking and driving and getting into accidents due to that.

Edited by zaibatsu, 21 January 2013 - 01:57 PM.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:18 PM

Quite a bit. And it is recognized as a serious public health issue.

Which is why motor vehicles are highly regulated from manufacture and production through sale and during use including not only registration of the motor vehicle but also the owner of said vehicle and the operator.

Motor vehicles manufacturers are also subject to liability unlike firearms manufacturers.

You have made an excellent observation that highlights why gun control laws need to be enhanced in the US. Well done.


I'm all for regulating fire arms and all states have laws on guns right? some differnt than others but laws regarding them no?

Also even though as you say the auto industry is highly regulated people still steal cars and drive around with out insurance causing problems yet we are'nt banning cars off the road.

I'm happy with our gun laws here I guess, I don't own a gun never been hunting but I think we should be able to have one for home protection. can we? not sure I just have a baseball bat and a BB gun. lolz so dead when the zombies attack.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:18 PM

Guns are designed and manufactured for the specific purpose of killing living entities .. vehicles are designed and manufactured for the sole purpose of transportation ..

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:34 PM

I'm all for regulating fire arms and all states have laws on guns right? some differnt than others but laws regarding them no?

Also even though as you say the auto industry is highly regulated people still steal cars and drive around with out insurance causing problems yet we are'nt banning cars off the road.

I'm happy with our gun laws here I guess, I don't own a gun never been hunting but I think we should be able to have one for home protection. can we? not sure I just have a baseball bat and a BB gun. lolz so dead when the zombies attack.

YOU may all in favour of regulation but it seems a sizable number of Americans gun owners and the NRA are not. To them any regulation seems to equate with a ban on firearms.

Personally I am unsure how one can be happy given the carnage and cost inflicted by the ready availability of firearms in the US - it is a public health epidemic.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:47 PM

Take out the suicides, who would have killed themselves through other means, if guns weren't available, and the gangster and thug related deaths, and you don't have much of a point from a government that presides over all sorts of costly and harmful practices.

One that's in no hurry to lead by example and give up its own firearms, be they state, private security detail or personally owned.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

YOU may all in favour of regulation but it seems a sizable number of Americans gun owners and the NRA are not. To them any regulation seems to equate with a ban on firearms.

Personally I am unsure how one can be happy given the carnage and cost inflicted by the ready availability of firearms in the US - it is a public health epidemic.


Well the media frenzy is in full swing only the nuts on both sides get air time.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:16 PM

Well the media frenzy is in full swing only the nuts on both sides get air time.


And most of the corporate media is at least slanted, if not overtly biased, towards the anti 2A side.

If further eroding the 2nd was such a self evidently beneficial to the public idea, you wouldn't have all these "opinion shaping" and "manufacturing a concensus" techniques going on.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:20 PM

And most of the corporate media is at least slanted, if not overtly biased, towards the anti 2A side.

If further eroding the 2nd was such a self evidently beneficial to the public idea, you wouldn't have all these "opinion shaping" and "manufacturing a concensus" techniques going on.

Or it could be due to past practises of throttling research and research money on gun violence pushed by the NRA changing like what occurred when the Big Tobacco lobby was pushed aside, similar things are happening in respect of firearms.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

And most of the corporate media is at least slanted, if not overtly biased, towards the anti 2A side.

If further eroding the 2nd was such a self evidently beneficial to the public idea, you wouldn't have all these "opinion shaping" and "manufacturing a concensus" techniques going on.

Precisely.

Or it could be due to past practises of throttling research and research money on gun violence pushed by the NRA changing like what occurred when the Big Tobacco lobby was pushed aside, similar things are happening in respect of firearms.

Throttling research? Like anti-gun groups and think tanks akin to the Joyce Foundation don't do "research" that caters to their ideology?

And if you wonder why second amendment advocates don't want to compromise much on gun control, besides the non-existent foundation it has in proving that guns cause people to kill others, is prominent gun control movements that have already helped mold gun policy (the Brady Law) have more than openly espoused their give-a-mouse-a-cookie crap:

http://articles.balt...-brady-campaign

In reality, those so-called "gun safety advocates" want nothing less than the following, as quoted from then-chairman Nelson "Pete" Shields: "We'll take one step at a time, and the first is necessarily — given the political realities — very modest. We'll have to start working again to strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen the next law and again and again. Our ultimate goal, total control of handguns, is going to take time. The first problem is to slow down production and sales. Next is to get registration. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and ammunition (with a few exceptions) totally illegal."


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