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#1 D-Money

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

From - http://www.cbc.ca/sp...gned-three.html

Ryan O'Reilly, Colorado Avalanche

The Colorado Avalanche don't talk about this stuff. A request for comment was politely declined. The Denver Post's Adrian Dater reported O'Reilly turned down a five-year, $17-million offer last summer. Colorado pulled that proposal and came up with two years for $7 million, which went nowhere.

Colorado's reputation is the organization can be very tough negotiators. It was among the NHL's highest-paying teams during its glory years, but the last three seasons have seen it among the lowest.

O'Reilly remains in Russia, although he missed a game last weekend with a foot injury. His situation reminds me a lot of Michael Peca's in Buffalo. O'Reilly likely won't ever be a 100-point scorer. He had 55 points last season, more than his first two years combined, but he is a fierce, fierce competitor who can do a lot of critical things for you. He took more defensive-zone faceoffs than any other Avalanche player and faced the toughest competition among the team's centres (credit: behindthenet.ca).

The problem is that leads to major disputes between teams and agents over exactly how to financially quantify those things. Peca, for example, was traded because he and the Buffalo Sabres could not agree.

"He's definitely a No. 2 centre," one GM said of O'Reilly. "And with the proper wingers, he could be a No. 1 guy."

Those guys get paid well, especially if they can score. But again, O'Reilly is four years from unrestricted free agency.

The Avalanche operate in secrecy, so it's hard to predict what they are going to do. When they dealt Chris Stewart, many other teams didn't know he was even available. Barring a major change in philosophy from either side, this one could be heading in that direction.


I'm a big O'Reilly fan. There isn't a potentially available center in the league who would fill Kesler's role better. And when Kes is back, Sedin-Kesler-O'Reilly-Lapierre would be the best center corps in the league. And unlike the other 3, O'Reilly is likely to only get better over the next few years.

This would also provide us some insurance against the terrible possibility that Kesler may not be the same player when he comes back. Or, even if he is, he runs into more injury trouble. Having a guy like O'Reilly gives us flexibility, and makes cutting Kesler's minutes and responsibilities far more palatable.

But the question is, if the Avs do decide to trade him, do we have the pieces to get a deal done? I'm leaning towards no. I doubt MG would move Kassian, and Edler isn't going to be traded with his new deal. Would Tanev and Schroeder be enough? Probably not.

Another question may be, would they risk dealing him to a divisional opponent? Avs have dealt with Calgary in the past, so maybe that's not such a big deal.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:14 PM

He is a restricted free agent so we wouldnt have to trade anything. We could offer sheet him but im assuming that would just get matched by the avs.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:18 PM

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Damn Russians. Stay in the KHL you greedy .....

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:20 PM

I wonder if DeNiro wouldn't want this guy because he's still in Russia? Heck, even longer than Kulikov was!!

O'Reilly had a huge improvement offensively last year, and has 4 goals/6 points in 7 KHL games so far this year. Which tells me he could be a 60-65 point center with huge defensive capabilties not unlike Kesler.. not to mention O'Reilly is strong on his feet and hard to knock off the puck.

I agree with D-Money, the Canucks likely don't have the expendable assets for the Avs, I would think they'd be looking for a defenseman or maybe a replacement center (Statsny - Duchene - ______ - Mitchell). If they ARE looking for a defenseman, MAYBE Tanev could be part of the deal, but how much value does he really hold in comparison?

Tanev, _________ + a 1st for O'Reilly?

But, I think a center is more prudent. If you look at the Avs after game 1 they basically only had 2 guys taking draws..RO took more faceoffs in general that any other player on their team last year.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

What's the holdup? is he asking for too much or he just doesnt want to play for Col?
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:27 PM

I really hope that we can land this guy some how, but i'm not going to get my hopes up. He would be perfect for our team though!
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

Denver's best bets are probably something like this:

1. Re-sign him. What does he want anyway? 4 million for a 2-way, 55 point center who takes all your draws isn't a ripoff by any stretch.

2. Look for a 3-way trade where 2 centres move and the 3rd team is looking for a defenseman, i.e.

To Florida: Giordano (replacement for Garrison)
To Calgary: O'Reilly (desperate for a young 1st line center.. Tanguay playing there, oldest team in the league)
To Colorado: Weiss, Florida's 3rd round pick, Calgary's 3rd round pick (Weiss is a reliable center, but is older and the picks will be replacement for the age difference)

Not saying that's perfect idea, but something like that..

3. Look for a training partner who has a capable center who has an upcoming contract expiration date and hasn't held any fruitful negotiations.. Berglund & Little have contracts ending soon... but obv. I have no idea how negotations are going.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:37 PM

I love O'Rielly. He is the ULTIMATE defensive C that can put up points. As a 3rd C behind Kesler and H Sedin, he easily has 2nd line skill, can fill in for injuries, and adds PK ability up there with Kesler/Burrows.

He'd allow us to run the sedins/kesler on pp1, and he'd take PP2 with whatever wingers were playing best that night. He'd give us a third line that can score nearly as well as a 2nd line, but have the defensive capability of a true checking line.

This guy would be gold at $4m.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:41 PM

I wonder if DeNiro wouldn't want this guy because he's still in Russia? Heck, even longer than Kulikov was!!


Hilarious...

I doubt he's staying in Russia cause he can make more money there. It looks to me like there'e some issue with him and management.

Maybe he's not happy in Colorado. Either way, I don't see us trading with Colorado.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

Should also be noted that Ryan is currently playing with his brother Cal on the same KHL team. Cal signed a 2-year contract in the KHL this summer - I am unsure if there is an outclause or not, but he's had success with 18 points/30 games.

Cal's NHL totals are 13 goals, 41 points in 113 games. His most successful year was in 2010-2011 when he 18 points in 38 games with the Preds. He is an elite forward at the AHL level and a former 5th round pick.

Maybe if there is an outclause, a team could snag both of these guys?
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:08 PM

I wonder if SJ would be interested in RO'R, they have a surplus of offensive top-6 type centers: Marleau (LW ATM), Thornton, Pavelski and Couture. Handzus is nearly 36 and his contract is nearly over, so they could use a reliable 2-way center soon.

They also have a trading history from the McGinn deal.. and didn't Galiardi and O'Reilly play together a bit during Galiardi's big 39 point season??
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:10 PM

He is a restricted free agent so we wouldnt have to trade anything. We could offer sheet him but im assuming that would just get matched by the avs.


Given the impasse in negotiations, perhaps not. Colorado has already shown they don't want to pay O'Reilly's asking price. If we do, they may not match, and may instead take the picks. Probably unlikely, but worth a shot.

If need be, more than enough cap space could be created by waiving Ballard or Booth or trading Luongo. And no immediate moves would have to be made, given Kesler and/or Booth's LTIR savings.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:10 PM

Damn Russians. Stay in the KHL you greedy .....

oh wait....


LOL

Anyways, would love to trade for O'Reilly.

Don't think we have what it takes to get him though. It would have to be if O'Reilly holds out until Ryan Kesler and David Booth comes back, then we move Schroeder and Raymond (assuming they perform well in Kesler and Booth's absence) for O'Reilly.

Otherwise we have no trading chips of value to get him that we could afford to give up.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:14 PM

Here's some quotes from two Dater articles:

O'Reilly is in Russia, entrenched in an increasingly bitter contract standoff with the Avs.


About O'Reilly: The standoff continues. The Avs are dug in, believing their offer is fair and the O'Reilly camp (along with agent Mark Guy) is just as dug in thinking it isn't proper market value. One thing is for sure: The Avs' showing in the opener helped O'Reilly's leverage with the fans.


But the Avs feel if they cave in to O'Reilly's demands (something in the neighborhood of $5 million a year,some say), it will blow out their salary structure for future years.


The Avs still say they won't trade O'Reilly, but it's not doing the team any good to have a valuable asset sitting around in Russia. If this isn't resolved one way or another soon, it figures to become a toxic issue that could ruin the season.


Both the Avalanche and O'Reilly's agent, Mark Guy, had no public comment on the negotiations Tuesday, though Guy confirmed the sides still are talking.


He also is considered one of the league's better defensive centers. His 101 takeaways led all NHL players last season. He led the Avs in faceoff-winning percentage (52.8) and was third in shots on goal (189).


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:14 PM

LOL

Anyways, would love to trade for O'Reilly.

Don't think we have what it takes to get him though. It would have to be if O'Reilly holds out until Ryan Kesler and David Booth comes back, then we move Schroeder and Raymond (assuming they perform well in Kesler and Booth's absence) for O'Reilly.

Otherwise we have no trading chips of value to get him that we could afford to give up.


Would it be out of the question to consider a Schneider for O'Reilly + trade?
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:16 PM

If he's asking for 5 million, the Canucks wouldn't realistically be able to fit him, unless they cleared a big contract without taking much cap at all (aka Luongo or Ballard for future pieces).
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:18 PM

Would it be out of the question to consider a Schneider for O'Reilly + trade?


Varlamov's stats last year: 26-24-3, 91.3 SVP and a 2.59 GAA.

Although Schneider's were better the Avs won't be in a rush for a new young goalie, especially with what they paid for Varlamov.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:42 PM

Varlamov's stats last year: 26-24-3, 91.3 SVP and a 2.59 GAA.

Although Schneider's were better the Avs won't be in a rush for a new young goalie, especially with what they paid for Varlamov.


Didn't realize Varly had such respectable numbers last year.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:52 PM

Ryan O'Reilly is a wet dream of a 3rd line centre. A few years ago we were paying Manny Malhotra and Mason Raymond a combined $5.05m under a $59.3m salary cap.

I'd absolutely love having him here. Perfect fit with Malhotra's contract expiring.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

I'd love to land O'Reilly. Would an offer sheet be worth the risk or would we have to trade for him?
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

The only way I can see Gillis acquiring O'Reilly is via offersheet. And possibly letting O'Reilly know that he has interest in bringing his brother in (a la Sweatt & Westerholm cases) when there's an opportunity.

Bringing in O'Reilly at 5.25 million a year, then moving Raymond + Ballard for cap space. Ballard to Barker/K-Con/Alberts/Vandermeer on the bottom pairing is a drop off, but O'Reilly would help the defensive game quite a bit. And a 4.2 million dollar 5th defenseman is kind of a bad use of cap space in itself.

The problem I see is he'd be making more than Kesler.. would that create some kind of locker room drama? Is 5.25 million too much for a 3rd line center? Would Kesler become the 3rd line center?
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:01 PM

Ryan O'Reilly is a wet dream of a 3rd line centre. A few years ago we were paying Manny Malhotra and Mason Raymond a combined $5.05m under a $59.3m salary cap.

I'd absolutely love having him here. Perfect fit with Malhotra's contract expiring.


Would O'Reilly sign with a team where he'd be 3rd line center though?

He was 1st on the Avs in points last year, remember? He's probably looking to be a top-6 player...

Booth - O'Reilly - Kesler
Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen/Kassian

Is still a killer top-6 though and there would be lots of flexibility when it came to line-ups
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:02 PM

The only way I can see Gillis acquiring O'Reilly is via offersheet. And possibly letting O'Reilly know that he has interest in bringing his brother in (a la Sweatt & Westerholm cases) when there's an opportunity.

Bringing in O'Reilly at 5.25 million a year, then moving Raymond + Ballard for cap space. Ballard to Barker/K-Con/Alberts/Vandermeer on the bottom pairing is a drop off, but O'Reilly would help the defensive game quite a bit. And a 4.2 million dollar 5th defenseman is kind of a bad use of cap space in itself.

The problem I see is he'd be making more than Kesler.. would that create some kind of locker room drama? Is 5.25 million too much for a 3rd line center? Would Kesler become the 3rd line center?

I think Kes and O'Reilly would be just fine. Unless a $250K difference in salary is a big deal. The only issue I have with offersheeting O'Reilly is that we would be giving up a 1st in a very deep draft. But if that move ultimately wins us the Cup this season I wouldn't be complaining.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:06 PM

Would O'Reilly sign with a team where he'd be 3rd line center though?

He was 1st on the Avs in points last year, remember? He's probably looking to be a top-6 player...

Booth - O'Reilly - Kesler
Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen/Kassian

Is still a killer top-6 though and there would be lots of flexibility when it came to line-ups


He's 21. Pay your dues if you wanna win the Cup. David Bolland was perfectly fine playing the 3rd line with #2 unit powerplay minutes and a $3.75m contract.

Why do we have to play these guys (not to mention pay) before they've done much of anything? That's not how Cup contenders operate, that's how lottery-seeking teams operate.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

For those saying that we could or should get him, you guys are truly wrong. Would it be nice to have him and have 4 awesome centers, Sedin, Kesler, OReilly, Lapierre. YES it would be absolutely awesome! But if he comes here it'll be like a Cody Hodgson situation. O'Reilly is a 2nd line center for sure even 1st on some teams. If he comes to VAN, he will be 3rd line center at best when Kesler returns. I would think he would know that and would not come here because of this.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:10 PM

The only way I can see Gillis acquiring O'Reilly is via offersheet. And possibly letting O'Reilly know that he has interest in bringing his brother in (a la Sweatt & Westerholm cases) when there's an opportunity.

Bringing in O'Reilly at 5.25 million a year, then moving Raymond + Ballard for cap space. Ballard to Barker/K-Con/Alberts/Vandermeer on the bottom pairing is a drop off, but O'Reilly would help the defensive game quite a bit. And a 4.2 million dollar 5th defenseman is kind of a bad use of cap space in itself.

The problem I see is he'd be making more than Kesler.. would that create some kind of locker room drama? Is 5.25 million too much for a 3rd line center? Would Kesler become the 3rd line center?


I'm not sure the extra .25M would be determinate to either 1) O'Reilly signing the offer sheet or 2) the Avs decision to match it. He could be offered 5M at 5 years. If it would bother Kesler, it'd be up to Kesler to deal with that. The market has been going up. A player of Kesler's calibre (not that O'Reilly is there yet, but he is of the same ilk) is worth more now than he was when Kesler signed his contract.

Just to see how it looks:

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Kassian
Higgins O'Reilly Hansen
Malhotra Lapierre Weise
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

The only way I can see Gillis acquiring O'Reilly is via offersheet. And possibly letting O'Reilly know that he has interest in bringing his brother in (a la Sweatt & Westerholm cases) when there's an opportunity.

Bringing in O'Reilly at 5.25 million a year, then moving Raymond + Ballard for cap space. Ballard to Barker/K-Con/Alberts/Vandermeer on the bottom pairing is a drop off, but O'Reilly would help the defensive game quite a bit. And a 4.2 million dollar 5th defenseman is kind of a bad use of cap space in itself.

The problem I see is he'd be making more than Kesler.. would that create some kind of locker room drama? Is 5.25 million too much for a 3rd line center? Would Kesler become the 3rd line center?


What if Gillis could land the right prospect that Colorado would want in a separate Luongo deal?
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

Just to make it clear, $5m is crazy talk. He's had ONE good year, not three back to back to back 20g 60-75pt seasons like Kesler had.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

For those saying that we could or should get him, you guys are truly wrong. Would it be nice to have him and have 4 awesome centers, Sedin, Kesler, OReilly, Lapierre. YES it would be absolutely awesome! But if he comes here it'll be like a Cody Hodgson situation. O'Reilly is a 2nd line center for sure even 1st on some teams. If he comes to VAN, he will be 3rd line center at best when Kesler returns. I would think he would know that and would not come here because of this.


It won't be like a Hodgson situation unless O'Reilly is a prima dona with an over involved soccer dad. And let's assume that O'Reilly and AV/management get off on a better foot than AV and Hodgson did.

It'll be like a Jordan Staal situation: we have one of the best groups of centres in the league for a few years, then one of the gets traded for a killer return.

Let's remember that O'Reilly would be guaranteed top-6 minutes to start. And we don't know how long Kesler will be out. And we don't know whether Kesler is projected to return to full ability. If Kesler doesn't return to form, he can man up and play on the third line.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

Avs won't trade him. If they do it won't be to VAN. They would want young high end prospect + solid roster player in return. We don't have what it would take as we are short on high end prospects our selves.
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