Smashian Kassian Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I was working under the assumption that the Canucks would want to keep Upshall for the next two years. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 That could work as well. I was maybe thinking something like this if oldnews' proposal is rejected: To Vancouver: Matt Frattin, Ryan O'Reilly, Ben Scrivens To Toronto: Roberto Luongo, Semyon Varlamov, Van 2013 2nd To Colorado: Jake Gardiner, James Reimer, Keith Ballard, Mason Raymond Everyone's needs are pretty much met. Toronto's greatly upgrades in goal, Colorado gets some much needed help on defense, and we get some insurance in center, who is basically just waiting to have a breakout year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Goc might be an upgrade, but I'm still not sold on just how much of an upgrade he'd be. If he is brought in to replace Malhotra, the team may gain some offense, but could lose in faceoff results. Would the potential offensive gain be enough to off-set those possible defensive zone faceoff losses? He is signed to one more year at $1.7 million which is below Malhotra's contract (which expires at the end of this season). If Goc was brought in to replace Lapierre then there would likely be a gain in offense, but there would also be a loss in team "toughness" and someone who fills the agitator role which, to my understanding is not a role that Goc can fill. If Goc was brought in to replace Shroeder, this would be a bit of a no contest purely due to Schroeder's inexperience. There are certainly differences in the situation each player was in with previous teams. Higgins certainly produced more when he was with Montreal than he has here, but that being said, he had a very productive season in 2011 - 12 playing mostly on the 3rd line. Hansen did get some time playing with the Sedins which may well account for a big chunk of his points from last season, or, are they a sign that he has much more offensive potential than he has previously received credit? Goc 81 points in his last 181 games. Lappy 47 in his last 246. Higgy 92 points in his last 210. Hansen 89 in 236. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Lets just say: Luongo for Johansson and Orlov then be done with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 LOL No we shouldn't. We should hang up and throw the phone out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 How is he any better than Nuevirth or Holtby? Or even Riemer/Scrivens. The thing you are missing with Bernier is that these teams that are interested, have the exact same thing, they are looking for a proven #1 that will come in and give the team a backbone, they aren't looking to take a risk and pay a big price for a young guy with some upside, they already have guys like that. It is a laterial move from what they currently have, and they would give up important assets to do so. Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks fan in chicago Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 We keep on overvaluing Luongo on here. At best we'll get prospect/backup goalie/draft pick. If Luongo was 5 years younger and had a 5 year deal then we'd be talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Luo to TO Gardiner to the AVs O'Reilly, Frattin to the Nucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Brouwer + 1st + Holtby wouldn't be a bad return. It wouldn't be a 'fleecing' but it would be a good trade IMO. Brouwer is a character guy who can score 40 points and throw his weight around. He's a local kid with a cup ring. He's signed long term and pretty much everything you want in a guy on your 3rd line who can step up into the top-6 if needed (like now). Two 1sts in the next draft (a deep one) is key, esp. with the way WSH has played. A contending team getting a 2nd 1st round pick would be a huge relief for Gillis. However, I think GMGM is being honest that he won't do anything radical. He'll make 1-2 small moves and hope for the best IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Not to burst your bubble. But Colorado would never do it, and I doubt Toronto would either unless they are the ones getting O'Reilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Goc might be an upgrade, but I'm still not sold on just how much of an upgrade he'd be. If he is brought in to replace Malhotra, the team may gain some offense, but could lose in faceoff results. Would the potential offensive gain be enough to off-set those possible defensive zone faceoff losses? He is signed to one more year at $1.7 million which is below Malhotra's contract (which expires at the end of this season). If Goc was brought in to replace Lapierre then there would likely be a gain in offense, but there would also be a loss in team "toughness" and someone who fills the agitator role which, to my understanding is not a role that Goc can fill. If Goc was brought in to replace Shroeder, this would be a bit of a no contest purely due to Schroeder's inexperience. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The value is that trade is just terrible. Luongo > Laich + Holtby Raymond + 2nd > Orlov Schroeder is small but doesn't play like it, that's the key for small players, he is small in stature, but he is very quick, stocky and strong, he will be fine at this level. You seem to have missed the fact our issue in recent playoffs has been scoring, taking out 2 offensive players like Raymond and Schroeder don't help that. Specifics aside, the deal is bad either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Not a bad proposal, actually, but I still don't think Toronto does it. Would directly contradict Nonis' "we won't be trading young players for old players" comment. And plus, O'Reilly (I believe) is wanting pretty serious money, which is why he's holding out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Welll Nonis has set himself up for a contradiction by stating publicly that they are looking for a veteran goaltender - and with all due respect to them, it's been patently obvious who Toronto has had in mind. Not many people look at that potential trade dynamic and see anything but youth coming this way - not realistically anyhow (Komisarek is not going to get it done haha, at least not without a boat load of youth to compensate) - one way or another, their veterans don't really fit. Saying he's not going to trade any of his young players is basically an admission that he's not going to acquire Luongo. They can ride the contradiction all they want. Not news that concerns me. Perhaps they should have beaten Garth Snow to the punch if they were looking for a relative freebie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 But Tim Thomas isn't the only guy. There are plenty of goalies which might find themselves to be made available. And if that happens, the return for Luongo continues to drop. Gillis needs to act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Debluvscanucks has edited this, as it wasn't put in a poll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Gardiner isn't going anywhere, reading a few threads on HF only confirm my opinion. He is so underrated here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Canucks - no second line, bunch of guys who didn't go to Europe who were supposed to be very rusty, alleged distracting controversy hanging over the team - off to best start of Gillis' tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 CBJ Schneider Raymond VAN Brassard Murray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Do they pass the eye test, for you? IMO, they've had 1 convincing win, and that was the last game. 5-0 against Anaheim, when the PP's are tipped in our favour 9-2 (or something along those lines), is not convincing. He's not in a position of strength. If he was, the deal would already be done. I don't care what kind of press clippings Gillis will offer through the media, this is a big distraction that he would've preferred to avoid. He didn't avoid it because he didn't feel that there were any good enough offers - and there weren't any good enough offers because teams just aren't that interested. Pretty simple stuff, really. So now he's holding on to the asset in the hope of either some team getting desperate and acting irrationally (Florida, perhaps), or some team throwing their hands up, abandoning their pre-existing plan, and deciding to bite on Luongo (Philadelphia, perhaps). Both, IMO, should be considered low probability events. There's a reason why any realtor will tell you that the first week or two of a listing is so important. If you get no offers over that time frame, you're probably overpriced. If your house has been on the market for 180 days, do you really think that the next offer that comes in will be for the full price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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