Smashian Kassian Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Quit talking Clutterbuck. Minny has a goalie and a very good one at that. They're not in the market for Luongo nor would Gillis trade within the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 I was the one that first brought up the name... but my comment was that we need a player "in the mold of Chris Neil/Clutterbuck". Folks kind of ran with it, I don't actually believe we could get either of those guys as part of a Luongo trade. They are just names that people are relatively familiar with. I am sure there are another half a dozen guys out in the league that can fill the same shoes and we don't really know all that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 We had a player in the mold of a Clutterbuck. His name was Raffi, and Gillis was very dumb to no re-sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Raffi has averaged .401 pts per game throughout his career whereas Clutterbuck has averaged .328 pts per game throughout his career so I'm not exactly sure where you're getting your stats. Probably drew em out of a hat. And 1.5M for a mere 2 years (not 14 like weber, but 2 yrs) is very fair for a 30pt 3rd liner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I was the one that first brought up the name... but my comment was that we need a player "in the mold of Chris Neil/Clutterbuck". Folks kind of ran with it, I don't actually believe we could get either of those guys as part of a Luongo trade. They are just names that people are relatively familiar with. I am sure there are another half a dozen guys out in the league that can fill the same shoes and we don't really know all that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdubuya Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Not sure why AV not starting Lu more... Him riding the pine is killing his value. Schneider is playing fine but its not like Lu didnt play well in his 1 start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Not sure why AV not starting Lu more... Him riding the pine is killing his value. Schneider is playing fine but its not like Lu didnt play well in his 1 start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Lu's getting the start tomorrow I'm pretty sure. If he has a good game and gets the W I'm sure his trade value will go up a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Lu's getting the start tomorrow I'm pretty sure. If he has a good game and gets the W I'm sure his trade value will go up a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 No way you get clutterbuck without a gross overpayment. He's their unsung hero burrows type player. If you asked for him they would probly ask for burrows coming back actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Lu's trade value does not go up or down with 1 game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Raffi has averaged .401 pts per game throughout his career whereas Clutterbuck has averaged .328 pts per game throughout his career so I'm not exactly sure where you're getting your stats. Probably drew em out of a hat. And 1.5M for a mere 2 years (not 14 like weber, but 2 yrs) is very fair for a 30pt 3rd liner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I think we're probably going to end up keeping Luongo for the shorten season, then trade him in the off season to move up in the draft. Because I mean if you look at the team with Kesler and Booth in the lineup, there is really no excuse to not win a cup. If half our d-men stop sucking, we have as good a chance as any. We have some holes on the forward position right now, but I expect MG will just ride it out until Kesler and Booth come back from injury. It'll be an interesting month or so as I don't expect us to be a powerhouse in the west this season. We'll probably be fighting for those last 2 playoff spots at least until we're healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Raffi's PPG is bolstered by his previous 20 and 27 goal seasons when he was in Edmonton, where he was in a top 6 role and was an important part of the offense. He's not that player anymore, he's a 20-30 point player now. Clutterbuck has better offensive skill and is better defensively, also less streaky and he fights more. Was a fan of Raffi when he was here, and I still like him but I would take Clutterbuck at 1.4 over Raffi at 1.75 10 times out of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 You still have no stats to prove his so called "offensive skill", and Raffi fights plenty and has lots of playoff experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Clutterbuck would be nice but doubt Minnesota is a trading partner but if everyone wants a player that can hit with good 2 way play kulemin would be the piece we need from Toronto to make that trade valuable to us, obviously would need other pieces tho. Don't like the idea of gardiner coming with his concussion problem. Gunnersson has looked good to me this far and as well as grabovski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Clutterbuck would be nice but doubt Minnesota is a trading partner but if everyone wants a player that can hit with good 2 way play kulemin would be the piece we need from Toronto to make that trade valuable to us, obviously would need other pieces tho. Don't like the idea of gardiner coming with his concussion problem. Gunnersson has looked good to me this far and as well as grabovski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 My proposed deal was Higgins and Connaution for Clutterbuck and Graovac. It rounds out there top 6 a bit better, and deals a prospect in an area of strength and acquires one in a more weaker area. I agree on Kulemin, doubt Toronto would be keen on giving him up though, is a pretty big part of their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I'm a big Higgins fan but if he doesn't score at least once in the next 5 games, how does that deal along with Ballard and a conditional 3rd for Torres sound, and Luongo and Raymond for Weiss and Petrovic sound? 3rd being conditional on whether Raffi re-signs Sedin - Sedin - Kassian Booth - Kesler - Weiss Burrows - Schroeder - Clutterbuck Torres - Lapierre - Hansen Malhotra, Volpatti, Weise Hamhuis - Bieksa Edler - Garrison Vandermeer - Tanev Schneider Lack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 If we get Torres it would defeat the purpose of going out and getting Clutterbuck IMO, as they bring similar qualities in that physical, grit sense, but Clutterbuck is simply more rounded. Also wouldn't trade Ballard as he has been our best defensemen, worth more than Torres at the moment IMO. Also wouldn't send Raymond packing, he is also playing very well. I would make the Minnesota deal I said, which would leave us with: Sedin - Sedin - Kassian Booth - Kesler - Burrows Raymond - Schroeder - Clutterbuck/Hansen Manny - Lappy - Clutterbuck/Hansen Who ever out of Clutter and Jannik plays/is playing better gets the 3rd spot, although I would think Clutterbuck fits it more as he brings more offense IMO. Then keep our defense the way it is as all 3 pairs can play 20+ minutes, and that will be a major advantage for us in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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