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[Discussion] Roberto Luongo Trade Thread 5.0

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I think MG's target for Luongo should be Nick Bjugstad. He is a huge guy that can score goals and would fit in very nicely. The panthers have also lost 5 straight and clearly have goaltending issues and Roberto would like to play there.

I'd do Luongo straight up for this guy. However I'm sure MG wants a player coming back who is currently playing in the NHL and perhaps the panthers would give up more.

A deal like this would be good for both teams and seems very realistic imo

Luongo & Raymond

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Weiss and Bjugstad

Weiss could take over the second line centre spot until Kesler is back then slide over to Kesler's wing. Much like Patrick Marleau did on Joe Thorton's wing. too many good centre's is not a problem the sharks are a perfect example of that.

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How about (if they accept):

Frattin + 1st + Finn/Biggs

Next year we will be up against the cap, and Frattin would be a great fit alongside Raymond & Schroeder. He has been described to me as a bull on skates, with a great wrist shot. That would be exactly what Schroeder would need (the wrist shot) then his grit would add much needed grit to the line, also as I said with the cap coming down, it would allow us to replace Higgins quite well if we can't sign him.

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Things have happened, Dynamics have changed, moving parts have moved. I think it is time to re-assess the (rumoured/speculated) market.

Chicago:

If it was ever a possibility (Which from our perspective I don't think it was) This one has been put far back on the backburner for now, Chicago is off to a great start and there is no reason to make changes, but once again I don't think they were ever a serious contender from our perspective, they wouldn't give up what it would take to happen and rightly so.

Edmonton:

Pretty much status-quo, again never highly considered as it would take something great for us to move him to a division rival, something they would never give up, Still isn't really a serious possibility.

Florida:

This is the one team that has remained in the same situation the entire time, still very much in the thick of things, not willing to give up what we want, but the goaltending hasn't picked up and hasn't filled there need for help in net like they had hoped, still not willing to give up Bjugstad. not sure where the situation with Weiss remains (if they are willing to move him now or not) but the Huberdeau/Mueller/Kovalev line has been very good for them in the absence of Weiss and Versteeg. If we were to make a deal with them is seems apparent we would have to take salary back, which MG doesn't seem willing to do right now. FLA is very much in the running IMO, but the stars aren't aligned yet.

NY Islanders:

Never really seemed like a big contender, as it never made sense for them to trade future assets when they aren't in "win now" mode, and I can't see them taking on 2 life long deals, don't see how they can afford it. Also they aren't playing that bad, beat Pittsburgh 4-1 tonight and Nabokov has been giving them solid goaltending for the time being. Seems the same as before, Isles aren't really a possibility right now.

Philadelphia:

Goaltending doesn't seem great, but it is the same old story. With Bryz there, they can't make a move for Luongo, so unless we want to take on Bryz, or unless he starts letting in 10 goals a game and they get really desperate (enough to take on both contracts) Philly isn't a serious contender till the summer, although if Bryz doesn't pick it up, they may very well be a major contender in the summer.

San Jose:

Any possibility as slim as it may have been of San Jose being a potential fit for a trade, that chance has completely evaporated for the time being, all the players we would want have been playing great for them and Niemi has been just fine, I never thought it was a serious possibility anyways, but it certainly isn't now.

Toronto:

Toronto is still right there, goaltending hasn't improved, but what are they going to give? Gardiner has never really been in the cards and Kadri and Bozak (as much as we want them, or don't want them) aren't in play right now it seems as both have been major pieces for Toronto and as there top 2 centers, it would probably create a bigger hole than it fills overall. Aslong as Riemer and Scrivens continue to play like Riemer and Scrivens, you have to think they are one of the top dogs in the hunt, but the issue is the return, so they aren't the top dog anymnore.

Tampa Bay:

Never really thought this was an immediate possibility either, as they paid that price for Lindback and were going to give him a long long look before looking elsewhere, but Lindback has played pretty well so far, and provided quality goaltending for a 1st time starter, I conclude that Tampa is not in the running.

Washington:

Ahh the Caps, you have to think they are the main contender now. There defense (& Offense) have struggled but there goaltending hasn't been of any help. if they hope for a cup they have to look elsewhere, Nuevirth and Holtby aren't going to get them a cup, if they can even bring the caps in the playoffs. Luongo could really help turn there season around and could provide the goaltending to push confidence through the entire line-up. They also have pieces that are nice from our perspective and realistically I think if Washington wanted Luongo, they could provide the return that could satisfy both sides.

If I had the rate them (only the realistic teams that have a shot at the deal right now)

1. Washington

2. Florida

3. Toronto

Aside from that, none of the other teams are in a position to make this deal happen.

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So who would we get from Washington?? Neuvirth & Hendricks??

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I'm surprised that Florida is struggling as much as they are.

Theodore had a good opening night, and has been sliding since. The roster is full of players who are -4 and -5. I guess Garrison was more of a stabilizing influence there than people here realize ;) But seriously, their injuries to Goc, Gudbranson, Versteeg, Weaver and Bergenheim are puttin them behind the 8 ball. Even if they decided to move on Luo, they have so many pieces out of the lineup - to give up any more roster players is very tough at the moment.

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I remember the painful days when we didn't have an elite goaltender. We're so lucky to have 2 now. Let's be thankful till its gone :)

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If I had the rate them (only the realistic teams that have a shot at the deal right now)

1. Washington

2. Florida

3. Toronto

Aside from that, none of the other teams are in a position to make this deal happen.

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Philadelphia:

Goaltending doesn't seem great, but it is the same old story. With Bryz there, they can't make a move for Luongo, so unless we want to take on Bryz, or unless he starts letting in 10 goals a game and they get really desperate (enough to take on both contracts) Philly isn't a serious contender till the summer, although if Bryz doesn't pick it up, they may very well be a major contender in the summer.

Toronto:

Toronto is still right there, goaltending hasn't improved, but what are they going to give? Gardiner has never really been in the cards and Kadri and Bozak (as much as we want them, or don't want them) aren't in play right now it seems as both have been major pieces for Toronto and as there top 2 centers, it would probably create a bigger hole than it fills overall. Aslong as Riemer and Scrivens continue to play like Riemer and Scrivens, you have to think they are one of the top dogs in the hunt, but the issue is the return, so they aren't the top dog anymnore.

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The possibility of dealing Luongo has to be increasing in the next couple weeks. Teams have had time to evaluate what they have and what changes need to be made. A move for Lu could save their season and put them in the playoffs. The Caps seem like the team that would be the best trading partners.

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Things have happened, Dynamics have changed, moving parts have moved. I think it is time to re-assess the (rumoured/speculated) market.

Chicago:

If it was ever a possibility (Which from our perspective I don't think it was) This one has been put far back on the backburner for now, Chicago is off to a great start and there is no reason to make changes, but once again I don't think they were ever a serious contender from our perspective, they wouldn't give up what it would take to happen and rightly so.

Edmonton:

Pretty much status-quo, again never highly considered as it would take something great for us to move him to a division rival, something they would never give up, Still isn't really a serious possibility.

Florida:

This is the one team that has remained in the same situation the entire time, still very much in the thick of things, not willing to give up what we want, but the goaltending hasn't picked up and hasn't filled there need for help in net like they had hoped, still not willing to give up Bjugstad. not sure where the situation with Weiss remains (if they are willing to move him now or not) but the Huberdeau/Mueller/Kovalev line has been very good for them in the absence of Weiss and Versteeg. If we were to make a deal with them is seems apparent we would have to take salary back, which MG doesn't seem willing to do right now. FLA is very much in the running IMO, but the stars aren't aligned yet.

NY Islanders:

Never really seemed like a big contender, as it never made sense for them to trade future assets when they aren't in "win now" mode, and I can't see them taking on 2 life long deals, don't see how they can afford it. Also they aren't playing that bad, beat Pittsburgh 4-1 tonight and Nabokov has been giving them solid goaltending for the time being. Seems the same as before, Isles aren't really a possibility right now.

Philadelphia:

Goaltending doesn't seem great, but it is the same old story. With Bryz there, they can't make a move for Luongo, so unless we want to take on Bryz, or unless he starts letting in 10 goals a game and they get really desperate (enough to take on both contracts) Philly isn't a serious contender till the summer, although if Bryz doesn't pick it up, they may very well be a major contender in the summer.

San Jose:

Any possibility as slim as it may have been of San Jose being a potential fit for a trade, that chance has completely evaporated for the time being, all the players we would want have been playing great for them and Niemi has been just fine, I never thought it was a serious possibility anyways, but it certainly isn't now.

Toronto:

Toronto is still right there, goaltending hasn't improved, but what are they going to give? Gardiner has never really been in the cards and Kadri and Bozak (as much as we want them, or don't want them) aren't in play right now it seems as both have been major pieces for Toronto and as there top 2 centers, it would probably create a bigger hole than it fills overall. Aslong as Riemer and Scrivens continue to play like Riemer and Scrivens, you have to think they are one of the top dogs in the hunt, but the issue is the return, so they aren't the top dog anymnore.

Tampa Bay:

Never really thought this was an immediate possibility either, as they paid that price for Lindback and were going to give him a long long look before looking elsewhere, but Lindback has played pretty well so far, and provided quality goaltending for a 1st time starter, I conclude that Tampa is not in the running.

Washington:

Ahh the Caps, you have to think they are the main contender now. There defense (& Offense) have struggled but there goaltending hasn't been of any help. if they hope for a cup they have to look elsewhere, Nuevirth and Holtby aren't going to get them a cup, if they can even bring the caps in the playoffs. Luongo could really help turn there season around and could provide the goaltending to push confidence through the entire line-up. They also have pieces that are nice from our perspective and realistically I think if Washington wanted Luongo, they could provide the return that could satisfy both sides.

If I had the rate them (only the realistic teams that have a shot at the deal right now)

1. Washington

2. Florida

3. Toronto

Aside from that, none of the other teams are in a position to make this deal happen.

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How about (if they accept):

Frattin + 1st + Finn/Biggs

Next year we will be up against the cap, and Frattin would be a great fit alongside Raymond & Schroeder. He has been described to me as a bull on skates, with a great wrist shot. That would be exactly what Schroeder would need (the wrist shot) then his grit would add much needed grit to the line, also as I said with the cap coming down, it would allow us to replace Higgins quite well if we can't sign him.

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Last option should be toronto with their 1st included in a package.

Gillis should just concentrate on fleecing FLA.

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Tim Thomas had two phenomenal years. The reSt of his career he sucked and isn't playing this year. It happens in the NHL.

Sometimes a goalie comes from no where and plays amazing for a year or two. Luongo has been amazing for ten years. That's what you call a franchise goaltender... not Tim Thomas Who has two God like seasons and disappears

Edit: I'm not knocking Thomas... just saying u can't compare his two years to Roberto Who has dominated the worlds most competitive hockey league for a decade

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Even if we did get Bjugstad, he couldn't or wouldn't play this year for the Canucks would he?

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Even if we did get Bjugstad, he couldn't or wouldn't play this year for the Canucks would he?

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No, I think he is playing another year in the collegiate league; which is right up Gillis' alley. He likes when kids are focused on being educated.

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