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So the back-to-back Presidents trophy winning team suddenly forgot how to play hockey? To the point where their dominant goaltender had worse stats than most of the starters for all the weaker teams?

And then, the team magically got significantly better for Schneider, so that instead of letting in 3-4 goals per game in, he let in only 1 in regulation for 3 straight? The best goaltending statistics of the playoffs?

Well then, I guess what you're saying is that the team plays better in front of Schneider in the playoffs than it does for Luongo... ...which is yet another indication that we should trade the latter.

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Which is an emotional response, which is not surprising, given your utter hatred and resultant inability to have any sort of objectivity when discussing the Toronto Maple Leafs.

This deal would effectively exchange Keith Ballard and Mason Raymond from today's roster for Dion Phaneuf & Phil Kessel. Yeah, highway robbery for Toronto, isn't it?

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Your back to back President's trophy team is a Moneyball, regular season team. It does not translate into great playoff performance. Hopefully having mixed it up a bit by having Kassian. On te top line, some more toughness, a healthy Kesler and Booth will do wonders.

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Dude, give it up. The world is not out to get the Vancouver Canucks. TSN does not root against the Vancouver Canucks. Nor do NHL officials, as much as I'm sure you believe that they do. Canuck fans really are the "Quebec" of NHL contingents, aren't they? Just remove the soother and the tin foil hat, please.

Anyway, it is fairly obvious that Cory Schneider is not happy with the situation. Nor is your homeboy Luongo, who did not expect to be here (and he didn't expect to be here because he had asked to be moved).

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And unlike Raymond, with Kessel we'd have a floater in our lineup taking up twice the cap hit and giving up twice as many scoring chances as he generates. His uninspired, patchwork performances would grow very old in a big hurry. Even Leafs fans, who are probably as tolerant as any, have had enough of these guys.
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A floater. The guy's averaging just under 5 SOG/game. That should bode well for his corsi score, should it not?

:bigblush:

Really silly to call him a floater.

Nope, not an afterthought, but for the purposes of this trade, this year, you're effectively swapping out Raymond & Ballard for Kessel & Phaneuf - a massive upgrade. Schroeder's looked good and it'd hurt to lose him, and it'd also hurt to lose Schneider (though 1 guy clearly has to go), but it would be nuts to say no to this deal.

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Do you know what's good for Kessel's corsi? The fact he is one of the Leafs facing the weakest quality of competition on that team - and getting a high percentage of offensive zone starts. What does that tell you, when 'top line' players typically face the opposition's best. Where the Leafs are concerned, that falls upon their best forwards - Grabovski and MacArthur.

I'd take Kadri over Kessel in a heartbeat and never look back.

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So the back-to-back Presidents trophy winning team suddenly forgot how to play hockey? To the point where their dominant goaltender had worse stats than most of the starters for all the weaker teams?

And then, the team magically got significantly better for Schneider, so that instead of letting in 3-4 goals per game in, he let in only 1 in regulation for 3 straight? The best goaltending statistics of the playoffs?

Well then, I guess what you're saying is that the team plays better in front of Schneider in the playoffs than it does for Luongo... ...which is yet another indication that we should trade the latter.

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Yes. Quality of Competition. Another "advanced" which just averages opponents' corsi scores - which is based almost entirely on SOG.

Hockey is not baseball. You can't isolate singular events in a hockey game like you can in baseball - pitcher v. hitter, no matter how hard these Bill James wannabes try.

You're ignoring fundamental things like goals and points, in exchange for these numbers dreamed up by hockey bloggers. OK.

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