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#271 MJDDawg

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:48 PM

Just heard on Team 1040 saying rumours out of Montreal suggesting that the Flyers have offered the Habs Couturier for Subban.

C'mon MG, get in there before we lose out on Couturier.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:50 PM

Of course it's BS. He's trying to be funny and is referring to the NBA nixing the trade of Chris Paul from the Hornets to the Lakers last year. Note: He's not funny.


They should have nixed New Orleans name change to the Pelicans <_<
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:51 PM

I think we need to get a 7 foot sumo wrestler on skates in our net and shut out after shut out we will win the cup!!


I've often thought they would be effective. No rules to stop it.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

Just heard on Team 1040 saying rumours out of Montreal suggesting that the Flyers have offered the Habs Couturier for Subban.

C'mon MG, get in there before we lose out on Couturier.


I have to think that if this is true Montreal would take that deal SO fast. They're pretty small down the middle, could use a big guy like Couturier. Not to mention they've been nickel and dime negotiating with Subban when they could acquire a guy who's still on his ELC.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:05 PM

I have to think that if this is true Montreal would take that deal SO fast. They're pretty small down the middle, could use a big guy like Couturier. Not to mention they've been nickel and dime negotiating with Subban when they could acquire a guy who's still on his ELC.


Subban is a cancer regardless which way you look at it. Mike Richards calling him out saying someone is going to give him what he deserves, multiple fights with his own teammates in practice, holding out on Montreal for more money than Alex Edler, and asking for a super long deal most likely just to get his money and security and so he can slack.

If Couturier was really offered I would say yes in an instant and hang up the phone before Holmgren changed his mind.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:07 PM

Just heard on Team 1040 saying rumours out of Montreal suggesting that the Flyers have offered the Habs Couturier for Subban.

C'mon MG, get in there before we lose out on Couturier.


Sounds like a reasonable hockey trade for both teams.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

I was one of those fans who was calling for Lu to be moved .. I thought he choked in big games, and was an egotistical person from the way he acted in interviews .. I must admit now that I had him wrong . He seems to have found humility , and has shown how much he cares about his teammates . He could easily have barked publicly for a trade and made it very difficult for the canucks to get any worth in return .. But instead he has acted with grace and class . Hes given this team a chance to better itself ,and I think it was pretty selfless .. Honest , whatever happens Ill be a fan of the man .. Heres hoping that the team thats lucky enough to get him appreciates what they have ,and When we receive a player that helps us on our way to the cup, we will owe him a debt of gratitude .
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:27 PM

Just heard on Team 1040 saying rumours out of Montreal suggesting that the Flyers have offered the Habs Couturier for Subban.

C'mon MG, get in there before we lose out on Couturier.


I would be extremely jealous if Couturier went to Montreal. Subban would get so much love in Philly. I can see the trade happening.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:45 PM

So washington in Luongo sweepstakes eh, lets get the dream trade out of the way then.

To VAN
Johansson + Forsberg + Neuvirth

To WAS
Luongo + Jordan Schroeder + 3rd

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

Sounds like a reasonable hockey trade for both teams.

I would be extremely jealous if Couturier went to Montreal. Subban would get so much love in Philly. I can see the trade happening.


Yeah it makes sense on many levels. And you're right, Subban would be able to run for mayor of Philly in a couple of years.

Flyers are really thin on defence since Meszaros just went down and is now out for some time. Unfortunate for us if we lose out on Couturier. Not sure who else the Flyers have in terms of top prospects that we'd want.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:52 PM

Yeah it makes sense on many levels. Flyers are really thin on defence since Meszaros just went down and is now out for some time. Unfortunate for us if we lose out on Couturier. Not sure who else the Flyers have in terms of top prospects that we'd want.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:54 PM

Just heard on Team 1040 saying rumours out of Montreal suggesting that the Flyers have offered the Habs Couturier for Subban.

C'mon MG, get in there before we lose out on Couturier.


Montreal should do it if true. Nothing worse than a greedy hockey player who has accomplished nothing at the nhl level.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:01 PM

So washington in Luongo sweepstakes eh, lets get the dream trade out of the way then.

To VAN
Johansson + Forsberg + Neuvirth

To WAS
Luongo + Jordan Schroeder + 3rd


If washington rejects this offer.

Then we counter with:

To Van:

Johansson
Wilson (the next lucic)
neuvirth

To Wash:

Luongo
Schroeder
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:15 PM

If washington rejects this offer.

Then we counter with:

To Van:

Johansson
Wilson (the next lucic)
neuvirth

To Wash:

Luongo
Schroeder


Both those Washington trades are exactly who Gillis has to target. Any combo of Wilson, Johan and Forsberg would be great.

TO just sent Gardiner down to the minors. Possible speculation, Gardiner could be traded to the Canucks and be sent right to the Wolve while the Canucks worked on their 22 man roster.

Gardiner and Bozak
For
Lu, Connaugton, 3rd

Gardiner has to be Gillis' primary target. The Canucks need a true offensive dman that is an exceptional skater.

Edited by sampy, 25 January 2013 - 03:18 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:15 PM

If washington rejects this offer.

Then we counter with:

To Van:

Johansson
Wilson (the next lucic)
neuvirth

To Wash:

Luongo
Schroeder


And if they reject this offer, we counter with:

To Van:

Johansson
Wilson
Neuvirth
Holtby

To Wash:

Luongo
Schneider
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:32 PM

And if they reject this offer, we counter with:

To Van:

Johansson
Wilson
Neuvirth
Holtby

To Wash:

Luongo
Schneider


we now have no goalie?
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:37 PM

we now have no goalie?


Yeah if you're Washington. But he had tongue planted firmly in cheek with the proposal.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

So much of this depends upon Lu. Hopefully they pick the right upcoming games, & he performs well-that is, assuming this takes more weeks to get done.

Imagine if he pitches a couple shutouts, proving he's quickly into the zone? On the other hand, if he has one or two lousy games, it may deter 1 or 2 teams from offering what they might have.

This wknd, should be be given the start in SJ(hot offense/but he plays them well), or LA game,( in the BxB)?
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:26 PM

a couple bad games won't deter teams have you seen how he has started every single year since he has been here teams know what there getting with luongo
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:42 PM

I'm not really sold on these deals with the Caps - I'm not sure their young centers offer enough upside to make them that compelling - and neither Johansson nor Perreault are going to improve the team that much in the present and neither would really be defined as two way players. Laich is also an excessive cap hit imo, particularly for a 3rd line center. I don't really see any of these guys fitting the bill. I'd probably target one of their young blueliners and/or wingers instead.

The caps have an extra six million in cap space at present. They also have 4 UFA and 2 RFA blueliners and have only 43 million cap committed next year.

Luo, Ballard

Alsner, Forsberg, Hendricks

I'm not in the dump Ballard camp - he's much better than these boards suggest and he has looked very good with Tanev early this season, but the Canucks will need to shed some cap in a Luongo deal, and I'd love to see a solid young shutdown guy in the lineup. I also think Ballard has a lot more trade value than most people who throw him into deals like an afterthought - I'd bet he could really flourish in Washington. It's probably a lot more likely to pry Alzner out of Washington, but they'd need to take back more cap to make a deal like above, unless Carlson were included in a (larger) deal- perhaps take some more cap in the form of one of the Caps UFAs that they don't intend to re-sign - add a mid-level pick if they want to include Neuvirth.
The Canucks also have a lot of depth at LW - but no real LW prospects. Forsberg would be nice to have in a couple years.
Hendricks - a good depth center imo - some insurance for this season - a solid, physical defensive center who wins faceoffs and could put some points up with the right player - a low cap hit that doesn't hamper other moves.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

While it's possible (Gillis is probably getting a bunch of speculative offers that we'd never accept) it's not a deal that'd ever go through (unless the 'plus' is Couture and a 1st). Gillis isn't looking for a 3rd line center and some throw ins as return for Luongo.


Your really overplaying Luongos value just as Gillis did. He had better offers in June but he thought he would get something better if he waited. Teams realize he is desperate and Luongos return will not be as high as most want. Also he has made some questionable moves in regards to the whole situation in my opinion. If he had traded him last summer the Canucks wouldnt have had to pay a portion of Luongos salary once he retires. That is the unfortunate reality at this point
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

I cant believe you brought in Karlsson and Semin into this debate... were talking about about 4th liners here, perhaps i should have elaborated more. But anyways...

Just about every player you mentioned there is better than Malhotra, because they've goot one thing going for them... the ability to play 5 on 5 hockey without being a liability.

Jarrett Stoll doesnt play in the 4th line taking faceoffs, he's actually a useful player that played a huge part of the Kings run.

The fact that your putting Malhotra in the likes of Stoll, Helm, Kelly, Langenbrunner and Sabotka only shows how much you overrate him.

I would take Helm, Kelly, LAngenbrunner and Sabotka any day over Malhotra not even close. and guess what? Malhotra makes more than all of them. Infact the 2 players you mentioned (Sabotka/Langenbrunner) in total cap hit is 2.8m.


:picard:

If you read, for most of the players I said "When Healthy" meaning the 10-11 Manny, is just as good as some of those guys. And yeah I did bring Karlsson and Semin up because you said directly that 1 demensional players can't play in this league anymore I directly proved you wrong, both with skill players and defensive players.

And how is Mannys, cap hit an issue? We have space for him and he is a UFA at the end of the year? Reaching much.

You keep side stepping my original point to try to continue on your argument without having to admit your wrong, my point is he is a way better option than Perreault, not sure how it is even debatable, but you keep sidestepping my point to justify yours.

Also he's a Liability 5 on 5??? :lol: That's absolutely hilarious.

Yes a defensive specialist who is on this team for his defensive ability, exc. is a "liability" that's classic, I guess you thought having Cody as the 4th line center in the 2011 playoffs was comforting for us to watch defensively.

Again, on this team. Manny > Perreault.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:58 PM

For sure. I really don't understand why some people make Brouwer, Laich, etc the main piece coming back in their trade proposals.

The problem with the Canucks is they already have those types of players. Kesler, Higgins, Burrows, Hansen, and Booth are all hard working north south type players, but lack elite skill outside of the Sedins. They need to get an elite player back in a trade, even if it is just in the form of potential, and not these fringe second/third liners.

Any of Johansson, Forsberg, Kuznetsov, Kadri, Gardiner, Rielly, Bjugstad, Gudbranson,Couturier, should be a starting point for the Canucks. Adding a second round pick and Neuvirth ( who would be sitting on the bench most of the time) doesn't justify a Troy Brouwer trade.


Yeah we need a young player, some of the guys you mentioned won't happen, but a young player like Johansson would be great.

I wouldn't mind Laich honestly as long as a good prospects and say a 2nd round pick were in the deal.

I think we need Johansson though, and I agree on Brouwer, I don't really see a spot for him on this team anyways.

People who don't think we can get forsberg as part of a deal for Lou..

Do you think Washington would have been happy to trade Varlamov for Lou? Id say so, what did they get for him? a 1 and a 2


So its not incomprehensible that we see Johansson and Forsberg for Lou and someone else...


Actually it is pretty incomprehensible to get both, one possibly, both not a chance.

That would have been like us trading Hodgson and Jensen. Except those 2 are a bit better imo.

I don't necessarily disagree with you that he's better. I just don't think he brings that much more than ebbett. I don't think we have a better chance at winning a hockey game going with one over the other. So in that sense it doesnt do us much good to waive ebbett and end up paying half his salary just so we can have tamby.

I would actually prefer tambellini but he doesn't make us any better of a hockey team.


I think he does in some case. And Ebbett salary isn't much, if we have an injury and we need a depth guy to jump into a meaningful top 9 role thats when you would rather have Tamby and that's where Tamby makes the team better than Ebbett would.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:05 PM

Just heard on Team 1040 saying rumours out of Montreal suggesting that the Flyers have offered the Habs Couturier for Subban.

C'mon MG, get in there before we lose out on Couturier.


I think we have already lost out on Couturier.

As in I don't see any possible way Couturier is in the deal unless we overpay.

And if they reject this offer, we counter with:

To Van:

Johansson
Wilson
Neuvirth
Holtby

To Wash:

Luongo
Schneider


Sarcasm?

I'm not really sold on these deals with the Caps - I'm not sure their young centers offer enough upside to make them that compelling - and neither Johansson nor Perreault are going to improve the team that much in the present and neither would really be defined as two way players. Laich is also an excessive cap hit imo, particularly for a line center. I don't really see any of these guys fitting the bill. I'd probably target one of their young blueliners and/or wingers instead.

The caps have an extra six million in cap space at present. They also have 4 UFA blueliners and 2 RFAs and have only 43 million cap committed next year.

Luo, Ballard, 3rd

Alsner, Forsberg, Hendricks

I'm not in the dump Ballard camp - he's much better than these boards suggest and he has looked very good with Tanev early this season, but the Canucks will need to shed some cap in a Luongo deal, and I'd love to see a solid young shutdown guy in the lineup. I also think Ballard has a lot more trade value than most people who throw him into deals like an afterthought - I'd bet he could really flourish in Washington. It's probably a lot more likely to pry Alzner out of Washington, but they'd need to take back more cap to make a deal like above, unless Carlson were included in a (larger) deal- perhaps one of the Caps UFAs that they don't intend to re-sign.
The Canucks also have a lot of depth at LW - but no real LW prospects. Forsberg would be nice to have in a couple years.
Hendricks - a good depth center imo - some insurance for this season - a solid, physical defensive center who wins faceoffs and could put some points up with the right player - a low cap hit that doesn't hamper other moves.


Johansson would totally help this team right now, he is better than Manny and Better than Lappy, this guy is really good, he was at the level 2 years ago that Hodgson was last year IMO, just to put it into perspective, he is a really dynamic player that would flourish here. He would be the perfect young 3rd line center for this team IMO.

As for your deal it was a terrible overpayment for them man.

Alzner is there Hamhuis, he isn't going anywhere in the first place, then adding Forsberg and Johansson is just terrible from there POV.

I think Johansson, Nuevirth, 2nd is far more likely. Although if they proposed: Johansson, Nuevirth as the only way Johansson is in the deal I would take it.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:07 PM

Am I the only one who isn't sold on Wilson?

I think there is a high risk factor that he could be the next Jessiman/Eager personally, he has shown his offensive game more this year which has changed my perspective a bit but prior to that I didn't see any reason to think he could be a 2nd liner.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:07 PM

Your really overplaying Luongos value just as Gillis did. He had better offers in June but he thought he would get something better if he waited. Teams realize he is desperate and Luongos return will not be as high as most want. Also he has made some questionable moves in regards to the whole situation in my opinion. If he had traded him last summer the Canucks wouldnt have had to pay a portion of Luongos salary once he retires. That is the unfortunate reality at this point

I was exaggerating with the 'Couture and a 1st' part, but absolutely Gillis is expecting more than a 3rd line center and some throw ins. The more this season plays on, the more it looks like other teams might get desperate, but even before that Gillis has said he's happy to wait for a reasonable return.

There's a reason why he's an NHL GM, one that's been awarded the GM of the year at that.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:09 PM

Am I the only one who isn't sold on Wilson?

I think there is a high risk factor that he could be the next Jessiman/Eager personally, he has shown his offensive game more this year which has changed my perspective a bit but prior to that I didn't see any reason to think he could be a 2nd liner.

I'm certainly not ready to crown him anything yet. He looks like he could very well be a good player, but he's hardly a blue chip prospect that I would give up a lot for.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:10 PM

Johansson would totally help this team right now, he is better than Manny and Better than Lappy, this guy is really good, he was at the level 2 years ago that Hodgson was last year IMO, just to put it into perspective, he is a really dynamic player that would flourish here. He would be the perfect young 3rd line center for this team IMO.

As for your deal it was a terrible overpayment for them man.

Alzner is there Hamhuis, he isn't going anywhere in the first place, then adding Forsberg and Johansson is just terrible from there POV.

I think Johansson, Nuevirth, 2nd is far more likely. Although if they proposed: Johansson, Nuevirth as the only way Johansson is in the deal I would take it.


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You misread.
And I disagree about Johansson being the ideal third line center - he and Perreault have been in Oates' doghouse because they aren't very good players in their own end of the ice. I see your Hodgson likeness.
He hasn't yet shown the ability to be a solid two way player.
Alzner and Forsberg are not a terrible overpayment for Luongo and Ballard - you seem to have a youth culture perspective of value - a young top 4 blueliner and a first round pick - you're getting carried away devaluing Luongo and Ballard.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:18 PM

I'm certainly not ready to crown him anything yet. He looks like he could very well be a good player, but he's hardly a blue chip prospect that I would give up a lot for.


I'm in the same boat, he has shown more offense so it is promising, but prior to take he had something like 13-20 goals and 30-40 points in 2 full seasons, and people leading up to the draft were touting him as a top 6 guy I couldn't understand where they saw the offensive ability.

But he is showing he has it, so maybe but he doesn't interest me a ton honestly.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:21 PM

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You misread.
And I disagree about Johansson being the ideal third line center - he and Perreault have been in Oates' doghouse because they aren't very good players in their own end of the ice. I see your Hodgson likeness.
He hasn't yet shown the ability to be a solid two way player.
Alzner and Forsberg are not a terrible overpayment for Luongo and Ballard - you seem to have a youth culture perspective of value - a young top 4 blueliner and a first round pick - you're getting carried away devaluing Luongo and Ballard.


Alzner is there #1 guy.

I'm willing to bet they wouldn't do him alone for Luongo.

Johansson has struggled this year, but he has shown in the past he is plenty capable as a 2nd/3rd line guy (got 40 points last year) and he actually is a defensive minded player aswell, he is touted for having a smart 2 way game, he would a very useful part of this team and I think he would flourish in our system.

And I did misread, my mistake so I will leave the Forsberg bit alone.
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