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#3001 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:29 AM

At Teemu,

Dipietro would be a amnesty buyout so no caphit.
Canucks would be buying Tavares for almost $40 mil while also giving some good player. Similar to the Gretzky trade. It's all about the $$$. Vis and Nabokov are just thrown ins for depth.


Are you actually being serious...?

40 million how so? Next year those players are making a combined 9.5 million. The Canucks' players are making more.

This year those players are making about 14 million.. but the year is half over...

Even over their entire contracts the Canucks players are making more, so why should they lose Tavares instead of just moving Nabokov & Visnovsky as rentals?

Aside from all the UFAs-to-be, and Climie who isn't Canucks' property, so he can't be part of the deal the trade is

Luongo, Connauton, Ballard, a late 1st for Tavares & Dipietro.

Tavares is a franchise player on a fair contract. He is not for sale, and the Islanders would be paying those other guys more next year and for the next few years anyhow.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:50 AM

Are you actually being serious...?

40 million how so? Next year those players are making a combined 9.5 million. The Canucks' players are making more.

This year those players are making about 14 million.. but the year is half over...

Even over their entire contracts the Canucks players are making more, so why should they lose Tavares instead of just moving Nabokov & Visnovsky as rentals?

Aside from all the UFAs-to-be, and Climie who isn't Canucks' property, so he can't be part of the deal the trade is

Luongo, Connauton, Ballard, a late 1st for Tavares & Dipietro.

Tavares is a franchise player on a fair contract. He is not for sale, and the Islanders would be paying those other guys more next year and for the next few years anyhow.

Tongue in cheek or not, Wang might be goofy but is not broke.
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#3003 sampy

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:06 AM

Are you actually being serious...?

40 million how so? Next year those players are making a combined 9.5 million. The Canucks' players are making more.

This year those players are making about 14 million.. but the year is half over...

Even over their entire contracts the Canucks players are making more, so why should they lose Tavares instead of just moving Nabokov & Visnovsky as rentals?

Aside from all the UFAs-to-be, and Climie who isn't Canucks' property, so he can't be part of the deal the trade is

Luongo, Connauton, Ballard, a late 1st for Tavares & Dipietro.

Tavares is a franchise player on a fair contract. He is not for sale, and the Islanders would be paying those other guys more next year and for the next few years anyhow.


You are really struggling with this. The Islanders still owe Dipietro $40 million dollars on his rediculous contract. The Canucks would take Dipietro in a trade, use the amnesty buyout and bye bye Rick. Thus relieving Wang of $40 M (Ricks contract).

Edited by sampy, 20 February 2013 - 10:10 AM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:08 AM

Carlson
Alzner
Neuvirth

for

Edler
Ballard
Schneider
1st

BOOM! CDC blows up.

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Alzner-Carlson
Garrison-Tanev

Lu
Neuvirth
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:21 AM

Carlson
Alzner
Neuvirth

for

Edler
Ballard
Schneider
1st

BOOM! CDC blows up.

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Alzner-Carlson
Garrison-Tanev

Lu
Neuvirth


CDC does blow up..... Because that's a terrible trade.

Schneider alone could likely get us Alzner and Neuvirth, so tell me why do we give them Edler, Ballard, and a first for John Carlson?
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:36 AM

I just want a upgrade on D. These east coast players don't translate to WC (ballard & garrison).

Hamhuis-Edler
Garrison-Bieksa
Ballard-Tanev

Obviously you're going to keep the top 4 since. Bieksa's been a lifer and Garrison just signed with us. But I'd love if you could upgrade on Ballard with Luongo as the centerpiece and move Garrison down to the 3rd pairing. RIGHT HANDED SHOT DMAN!!! Get Edler back to the left side for the love of everything

EDIT: I'll throw in a proposal even though I'm contradicting myself on East Coast

Washington: Ballard, Luongo
Cancusk: Carlson, Neuvirth, 1st

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Carlson
Garrison-Tanev

Edited by Z. Kassian, 20 February 2013 - 11:42 AM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:45 AM

Forget losing Edler.

You don't trade away your best defenseman.

I'd rather see Ballard or even newcomer Garrison gone before Edler to make room for a right sider.

Fixed the swearing for you, This is supposed to be a family-friendly board, Teemu, c'mon.

EDIT: I didn't actually fix that for you, I was just giving you a heads up to change it but someone must have reported it.

But on that note, if we could swing a deal with Nashville for Weber that didn't cost us much more than Edler, would you take it?

Hamhuis Weber
Garrison Bieksa
Connauton Tanev

Of course we're likely to be moving Ballard with or without the extra salary of Weber to fit under the cap next year, so I didn't include him. With Weber's so so performance so far (it's only because of 4 points in the last two games that he has 7 points for the season, 3 points after 15 games does not look nearly as good) and what he gets paid by Nashville (particularly in the salary the first few years) it could drive his value down slightly for them. We would lose a lot with Edler's 40-50 points a year though if Weber really isn't the same offensively without Suter.

I disagree. As Smashian pointed out, Garrison had his man tied up in front of the net. If he lets him go to chase Hossa, he's leaving a man wide open just outside the crease. That's a far more dangerous player than one who's behind your goal line.

Personally, although Bieksa and the Canucks' forward on that side deserve some of the blame for allowing Hoss to walk out of the corner with the puck, I think Schneider misplayed that goal. He has to get his stick out and prevent the opposing player from an easy post to post right in front of him.

Schneids had a good game, but I bet he'd play that one differently, if he had a do-over...

I agree Schneider could have stopped that by extending his stick out to block the open path. Absolutely Hossa could have had more pressure on him from the corner as well, but if there's one thing I would have liked to see from Garrison is to have him on the low side of the Chicago player he was defending. That blocks that lane and Hossa can't get through anyway. Tough to always have position though.

As far as how all this works out for Luongo though, I'd like to see one of the pieces we get back be a young, left-handed defenceman to replace Ballard. He'd likely still be developing, and would need better upside as a 2nd/3rd pairing D-man than someone like Connauton. The other option would be a better right-handed defenceman who could allow Edler to move back to the left side, although that would mean us having a $4+M D on the 3rd pairing with Tanev again so that player would have to be on an affordable contract for at least next year.

Edited by elvis15, 20 February 2013 - 02:42 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:03 PM

Family board... let's knock off the poor language. (obvious board rule violation)... *ahem*

If you can't debate this stuff intelligently, don't bother.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:13 PM

I just want to say that I find most of the proposals here (CDC) incredibly stupid.

No GM is going to make a trade that doesn't also benefit him.

Let me repeat that. No GM in any state of mind is going to make a trade that doesn't also benefit him.

So saying things like "trade Luongo, Nash, or Raymond and Hamuis for Kane are just not going to happen - it doesn't benefit the team.
A trade has to benefit both sides.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:18 PM

we need a sniper. nobody on the team is a threat to be on pace for a 40 goal season... DS was barely there when he was having career years, but never a threat to score 50. (DS is more of a playmaker - scorer mix really).

But who? To be over the top, this team needs to trade for a Hossa type player (the way the Hawks did a while ago)...

Edited by canucksnihilist, 20 February 2013 - 02:18 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:22 PM

You are really struggling with this. The Islanders still owe Dipietro $40 million dollars on his rediculous contract. The Canucks would take Dipietro in a trade, use the amnesty buyout and bye bye Rick. Thus relieving Wang of $40 M (Ricks contract).


As a gigantic Tavares fan, i approve.

Without him though, Isles have nothing really to market when they move to Brooklyn.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:43 PM

As a gigantic Tavares fan, i approve.

Without him though, Isles have nothing really to market when they move to Brooklyn.

And where would he play for us? I guess as a 2nd line C and move Kesler to the wing.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:49 PM

Family board... let's knock off the poor language. (obvious board rule violation)... *ahem*

If you can't debate this stuff intelligently, don't bother.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:10 PM

I just want to say that I find most of the proposals here (CDC) incredibly stupid.

No GM is going to make a trade that doesn't also benefit him.

Let me repeat that. No GM in any state of mind is going to make a trade that doesn't also benefit him.

So saying things like "trade Luongo, Nash, or Raymond and Hamuis for Kane are just not going to happen - it doesn't benefit the team.
A trade has to benefit both sides.


How did Milbury benefit from trading Jokinen and Lu for Kvasha and Parrish or Spezza and Chara for Yashin??

I guess no GM makes a trade they'll regret.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:14 PM

And where would he play for us? I guess as a 2nd line C and move Kesler to the wing.


The whole 1st, 2nd an 3rd line isn't what it used to be. How about 1a, 1b and 1c. Kesler would still get his minute with special teams. He isn't very good at using his wingers anyways and he could practice his diving more.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:18 PM

Do you honestly think we would trade for Dipietro to pay him a $40 mill buyout?

What do you do for a living; give away money... Fans think cap is the only deal; it's not guys, you have to pay real money!

:picard:

You are really struggling with this. The Islanders still owe Dipietro $40 million dollars on his rediculous contract. The Canucks would take Dipietro in a trade, use the amnesty buyout and bye bye Rick. Thus relieving Wang of $40 M (Ricks contract).


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:28 PM

Do you honestly think we would trade for Dipietro to pay him a $40 mill buyout?

What do you do for a living; give away money... Fans think cap is the only deal; it's not guys, you have to pay real money!

:picard:


Did you even read the original post how the offer was out of boredom or just come on here to chirp.

When is the last time the Isles came within a mile from the cap instead of always being at the floor. So yes $40M is a lot of money for Wang and his hockey world. Like you said, a lot of money. Has no player ever been bought? You heard of Wayne Gretzky? Or do you think Jimmy Carson and Gelinas was a good trade? The millions that went with it was just a gift.

I'm not sure if Aquilini would pay, just a proposal but Tavares would easily make that $40M back for the organization.

Edited by sampy, 20 February 2013 - 03:30 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

Who is available; Heatley?

It's a fair question as of course Toews, Kane, Sharp and Hossa, plus Kieth from the back end are all a danger to start potting goals.

we need a sniper. nobody on the team is a threat to be on pace for a 40 goal season... DS was barely there when he was having career years, but never a threat to score 50. (DS is more of a playmaker - scorer mix really).

But who? To be over the top, this team needs to trade for a Hossa type player (the way the Hawks did a while ago)...


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:19 PM

That you smoked to much before you made the proposal, and were bored, is not unlikely;

In addition to the $40 million you also gave up Lou, Schroeder, Ballard and a first > Four 1st round draft picks in total PLUS $40 million dollars for Tavares.

Did you even read the original post how the offer was out of boredom or just come on here to chirp.

When is the last time the Isles came within a mile from the cap instead of always being at the floor. So yes $40M is a lot of money for Wang and his hockey world. Like you said, a lot of money. Has no player ever been bought? You heard of Wayne Gretzky? Or do you think Jimmy Carson and Gelinas was a good trade? The millions that went with it was just a gift.

I'm not sure if Aquilini would pay, just a proposal but Tavares would easily make that $40M back for the organization.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:21 PM

Do you honestly think we would trade for Dipietro to pay him a $40 mill buyout?

What do you do for a living; give away money... Fans think cap is the only deal; it's not guys, you have to pay real money!

:picard:


To be fair Luongo would be going the other way in the posters original proposal so getting rid of Luongo's contract and then buying out Dipietro would almost be a mute point.

Also any return that strenghtens the team also increases the chances of a deep playoff run, which in turn would further cancel out the Dipietro buyout with the financial gain of every home playoff game.

With that said though, the chance of the Islanders moving Tavares is probably close to zero.
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