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#301 BuretoMogilny

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:21 PM

Both those Washington trades are exactly who Gillis has to target. Any combo of Wilson, Johan and Forsberg would be great.

TO just sent Gardiner down to the minors. Possible speculation, Gardiner could be traded to the Canucks and be sent right to the Wolve while the Canucks worked on their 22 man roster.

Gardiner and Bozak
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Lu, Connaugton, 3rd

Gardiner has to be Gillis' primary target. The Canucks need a true offensive dman that is an exceptional skater.


Then flip Gardiner to Philly for Coutourier and I dont think we need to throw in a 3rd in that deal

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:21 PM

Why hasn't Gardiner being assigned to the Marlies seen more discussion?

I can't figure out why Gardiner would be sent down, he's a stud d-man, arguably in their top 2. I'm thinking something is going on here.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:26 PM

Both those Washington trades are exactly who Gillis has to target. Any combo of Wilson, Johan and Forsberg would be great.

TO just sent Gardiner down to the minors. Possible speculation, Gardiner could be traded to the Canucks and be sent right to the Wolve while the Canucks worked on their 22 man roster.

Gardiner and Bozak
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Lu, Connaugton, 3rd

Gardiner has to be Gillis' primary target. The Canucks need a true offensive dman that is an exceptional skater.


He was sent to the minors because he missed a game (after returning from concussion) and didn't look NHL ready.

I don't think it has anything to do with a Luongo deal - I also think your proposal is an overpayment.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:26 PM

After that implosion last night by the Leafs?
 

 


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:27 PM

I think he does in some case. And Ebbett salary isn't much, if we have an injury and we need a depth guy to jump into a meaningful top 9 role thats when you would rather have Tamby and that's where Tamby makes the team better than Ebbett would.


You could make the same argument for ebbett though. Thinking about it more, i would actually rather have ebbett, at least he's a center. He scored some clutch goals last year. He deserves his spot here.

I just don't see tamby doing any more than ebbett or being a bigger offensive threat. We're hurtin down the middle this year. manny has taken a step back and kesler is out, we really can't afford to trade a center in for a 4th line offensive minded winger.

If we get a center in the luongo trade I'd be a little more inclined to do it

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:31 PM

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If you read, for most of the players I said "When Healthy" meaning the 10-11 Manny, is just as good as some of those guys. And yeah I did bring Karlsson and Semin up because you said directly that 1 demensional players can't play in this league anymore I directly proved you wrong, both with skill players and defensive players.

And how is Mannys, cap hit an issue? We have space for him and he is a UFA at the end of the year? Reaching much.

You keep side stepping my original point to try to continue on your argument without having to admit your wrong, my point is he is a way better option than Perreault, not sure how it is even debatable, but you keep sidestepping my point to justify yours.

Also he's a Liability 5 on 5??? :lol: That's absolutely hilarious.

Yes a defensive specialist who is on this team for his defensive ability, exc. is a "liability" that's classic, I guess you thought having Cody as the 4th line center in the 2011 playoffs was comforting for us to watch defensively.

Again, on this team. Manny > Perreault.


Malhotra's career high is 11 goals, 24 assists and 35 points with a +9 rating in 77 games and that was when he was still 28 yrs old.

Perreault last year scored 16 goals, 14 assists and 30 points and was +9 did it in less games (64) and he's only 25 years old.

He can play on the pk, take defensive faceoffs like your idol Manny, he can play chippy and get in other players faces, play on the PP, play wing and he has hands that Malhotra could only dream of having.

And yes, he was a liabilty last year and an anchor whichever line he centers. You either have selective memory or just dont watch when Manny is out there on the ice not taking faceoffs. Let me ask you? have you SEEN Malhotra play other than taking faceoffs? Because obviously you have not or just choose to ignore it and throw faceoffs percentages at me.

All of the players you mentioned does more than taking faceoffs, Malhotra's great contribution to this team is he's a 'nice guy' and good at faceoffs. Im sorry, but you dont give away roster spots for ONE DIMENSIONAL 4th line players (just incase you bring up Semin and Karlsson again.)

I know you like to act like the Bob Mckenzie of these boards, but clearly your obsession with Manny is clouding your judgment in this one.

How anyone who watches hockey can come up with the conclusion that Manny > Perreault is mid bloggling.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:34 PM

Why hasn't Gardiner being assigned to the Marlies seen more discussion?

I can't figure out why Gardiner would be sent down, he's a stud d-man, arguably in their top 2. I'm thinking something is going on here.


Just conditioning probably.. If you think about it, they have 2 sh***y goalies so they need every dman to be razor sharp in their own zone if they want any chance at making the playoffs. Might as well play a guy who is up to game speed.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:40 PM

You could make the same argument for ebbett though. Thinking about it more, i would actually rather have ebbett, at least he's a center. He scored some clutch goals last year. He deserves his spot here.

I just don't see tamby doing any more than ebbett or being a bigger offensive threat. We're hurtin down the middle this year. manny has taken a step back and kesler is out, we really can't afford to trade a center in for a 4th line offensive minded winger.

If we get a center in the luongo trade I'd be a little more inclined to do it


Tamby is a better option than Ebbett for a # of reasons.

He is great in the shootouts and helps us alot more than Ebbett (in an area we struggle at) He also plays with more speed, grit and is better offensively. He is also more capable of slotting into a top 6 role as we saw him play well in the top 6 a few years ago.

I can understand opting for the center in some cases, but in this case we have Jordan Schroeder, who is just as good as Ebbett in every area it seems, his emergence would make Ebbett "expendable" for an upgrade of a different position in this case.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:43 PM

If WSH is the mystery team, MG should insist Wilson is part of the package. He and Kassian would terrorize the Oilers and Flames for years lol.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:43 PM

He was sent to the minors because he missed a game (after returning from concussion) and didn't look NHL ready.

I don't think it has anything to do with a Luongo deal - I also think your proposal is an overpayment.


Gardiner was fine in the game against Pitsburgh. You'd think Toronto media would have blown up if he was actually injured.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:44 PM

The Canucks would have to lose a couple more LWs to injury before Tambellini would start to even make remote sense.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:45 PM

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:45 PM

Gardiner was fine in the game against Pitsburgh. You'd think Toronto media would have blown up if he was actually injured.


Concussion.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:47 PM

Malhotra's career high is 11 goals, 24 assists and 35 points with a +9 rating in 77 games and that was when he was still 28 yrs old.

Perreault last year scored 16 goals, 14 assists and 30 points and was +9 did it in less games (64) and he's only 25 years old.

He can play on the pk, take defensive faceoffs like your idol Manny, he can play chippy and get in other players faces, play on the PP, play wing and he has hands that Malhotra could only dream of having.

And yes, he was a liabilty last year and an anchor whichever line he centers. You either have selective memory or just dont watch when Manny is out there on the ice not taking faceoffs. Let me ask you? have you SEEN Malhotra play other than taking faceoffs? Because obviously you have not or just choose to ignore it and throw faceoffs percentages at me.

All of the players you mentioned does more than taking faceoffs, Malhotra's great contribution to this team is he's a 'nice guy' and good at faceoffs. Im sorry, but you dont give away roster spots for ONE DIMENSIONAL 4th line players (just incase you bring up Semin and Karlsson again.)

I know you like to act like the Bob Mckenzie of these boards, but clearly your obsession with Manny is clouding your judgment in this one.

How anyone who watches hockey can come up with the conclusion that Manny > Perreault is mid bloggling.

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Again you are twisting things.

How on earth Manny is a liability makes 0 sense, again as I said this is a defensive player who's game revloves around being smart defensively, faceoffs, PK, shot blocking, exc.

If he is a liability as a 4th line center (which I don't know how that is even possible) then by that logic every 4th line center that plays a more defensive style is a liability.

Now to go back to my point.

For the 4th line role on this team, Manny is clearly the better option. I understand what Perreault brings completely, but for that role on this team we need a defensive guy who we can count on to play in defensive roles and take important draws so we don't have to use the stars as much in that situation.

And in that role Manny is clearly the better option, better defensively, better on faceoffs, more size, more grit, better PKer, better shot blocker, for that defensive role there is no area in which Perreault has the advantage.

If we need someone to fill the 2nd or 3rd line, then yes Perreault is the better option, if we need a 4th line center or a defensive 3rd line center, Manny is the better option.

And besides we don't need Perreault moving forward, we literially have pretty much the exact same thing in Jordan Schroeder (who has a higerh ceiling) he just isn't as developed yet.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

Concussion.


Cute, you felt the need to make the distinction. Your post count is starting to make sense.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:55 PM

Again you are twisting things.

How on earth Manny is a liability makes 0 sense, again as I said this is a defensive player who's game revloves around being smart defensively, faceoffs, PK, shot blocking, exc.

If he is a liability as a 4th line center (which I don't know how that is even possible) then by that logic every 4th line center that plays a more defensive style is a liability.

Now to go back to my point.

For the 4th line role on this team, Manny is clearly the better option. I understand what Perreault brings completely, but for that role on this team we need a defensive guy who we can count on to play in defensive roles and take important draws so we don't have to use the stars as much in that situation.

And in that role Manny is clearly the better option, better defensively, better on faceoffs, more size, more grit, better PKer, better shot blocker, for that defensive role there is no area in which Perreault has the advantage.

If we need someone to fill the 2nd or 3rd line, then yes Perreault is the better option, if we need a 4th line center or a defensive 3rd line center, Manny is the better option.

And besides we don't need Perreault moving forward, we literially have pretty much the exact same thing in Jordan Schroeder (who has a higerh ceiling) he just isn't as developed yet.


I know from your previous post, you are referring to the healthy Manny of 2010-11. Unfortunately, he is not that Manny and may never be again. Unfrotunately for him and the Nucks, his abilities have been severely restricted by his eye injury. Other than face-offs, he looks lost out there and has difficulty making even simple plays on the puck. He seldom uses his size to punish the other team nad has the team's worst +/- so far which, for a defrensive specialist, is not a good sign.

He is a great guy and would make an excellent scout or front office ambassoador but it would appear his playing days are numbered.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:56 PM

Again you are twisting things.

How on earth Manny is a liability makes 0 sense, again as I said this is a defensive player who's game revloves around being smart defensively, faceoffs, PK, shot blocking, exc.

If he is a liability as a 4th line center (which I don't know how that is even possible) then by that logic every 4th line center that plays a more defensive style is a liability.

Now to go back to my point.

For the 4th line role on this team, Manny is clearly the better option. I understand what Perreault brings completely, but for that role on this team we need a defensive guy who we can count on to play in defensive roles and take important draws so we don't have to use the stars as much in that situation.

And in that role Manny is clearly the better option, better defensively, better on faceoffs, more size, more grit, better PKer, better shot blocker, for that defensive role there is no area in which Perreault has the advantage.

If we need someone to fill the 2nd or 3rd line, then yes Perreault is the better option, if we need a 4th line center or a defensive 3rd line center, Manny is the better option.

And besides we don't need Perreault moving forward, we literially have pretty much the exact same thing in Jordan Schroeder (who has a higerh ceiling) he just isn't as developed yet.


You can teach those, AV transformed Kesler in a good checker in to a Selke player. (not saying Perreault will be a Selke winner lol)

We'll have to agree to disagree because we both have different opions on what a 4th line should be.

I like the idea of rolling 4 lines thats why i prefer Perreault over a defensive player like Malhotra on the 4th line. And I think he will be more useful to us if we lose one of our top 6 forwards in a long playoff run.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:00 PM

You can teach those, AV transformed Kesler in a good checker in to a Selke player. (not saying Perreault will be a Selke winner lol)

We'll have to agree to disagree because we both have different opions on what a 4th line should be.

I like the idea of rolling 4 lines thats why i prefer Perreault over a defensive player like Malhotra on the 4th line. And I think he will be more useful to us if we lose one of our top 6 forwards in a long playoff run.


AV didn't make Kesler a selke winner, Kesler was projected to be a defensive 3rd line center with speed and some offensive skill (basically Darren Helm with size), his defensive game was always the strong point.

I like Perreault, I just don't see him as a need, would be a nice throw in though.

I will just agree to disagree aswell.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:02 PM

I know from your previous post, you are referring to the healthy Manny of 2010-11. Unfortunately, he is not that Manny and may never be again. Unfrotunately for him and the Nucks, his abilities have been severely restricted by his eye injury. Other than face-offs, he looks lost out there and has difficulty making even simple plays on the puck. He seldom uses his size to punish the other team nad has the team's worst +/- so far which, for a defrensive specialist, is not a good sign.

He is a great guy and would make an excellent scout or front office ambassoador but it would appear his playing days are numbered.


He is still capable of being a good 4th liner who is can be a great defensive specialist.

He is far better conditioning and health wise than last year, he said his eye is almost just as good as before, it's no issue and unlike last year where he didn't get any time to train, he has had a summer of training, and wont be a step behind everyone throughout the entire year like last season, give the guy some time he will show his defensive skills. He probably won't be the 10/11 Manny, but once he knocks off the rust and gets going I could easily seem him as a great defensive 4th line center.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:05 PM

He is still capable of being a good 4th liner who is can be a great defensive specialist.

He is far better conditioning and health wise than last year, he said his eye is almost just as good as before, it's no issue and unlike last year where he didn't get any time to train, he has had a summer of training, and wont be a step behind everyone throughout the entire year like last season, give the guy some time he will show his defensive skills. He probably won't be the 10/11 Manny, but once he knocks off the rust and gets going I could easily seem him as a great defensive 4th line center.


Manny's game has deteriorated rapidly since his injury, regardless of whether it still affects him or not. I like Manny and loved what he brought to the rink, but he just isn't effective outside the faceoff dot anymore, and with the new rules about not using you hand to win draws, that aspect of his game may be on the way down too.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:07 PM

Manny's game has deteriorated rapidly since his injury, regardless of whether it still affects him or not. I like Manny and loved what he brought to the rink, but he just isn't effective outside the faceoff dot anymore, and with the new rules about not using you hand to win draws, that aspect of his game may be on the way down too.


No one seems to agree with me, but he is better than the player he was last year. He is still a great faceoff specialist, aswell as a great PKer.

I've spent enough time and posts addressing this, so we will all just wait and see if he is better (than last year) mid-way through the year.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:09 PM

Cute, you felt the need to make the distinction. Your post count is starting to make sense.


Ignorant comment OV.
May have looked "fine" in your opinion in a game agains Pittsburgh. Brain injuries, obviously not that simple.

"TSN’s Darren Dreger is reporting that the move is just so Gardiner can adjust to the speed of the game. It’s not that Gardiner played poorly upon his return, but he definitely didn’t look like his normal self."

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:11 PM

Ignorant comment OV.
May have looked "fine" in your opinion in a game agains Pittsburgh. Brain injuries, obviously not that simple.

"TSN’s Darren Dreger is reporting that the move is just so Gardiner can adjust to the speed of the game. It’s not that Gardiner played poorly upon his return, but he definitely didn’t look like his normal self."


See if you had responded with that originally you might have been deserving of a respectful rebuttal but instead you pulled your typical nonsense.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

No one seems to agree with me, but he is better than the player he was last year. He is still a great faceoff specialist, aswell as a great PKer.

I've spent enough time and posts addressing this, so we will all just wait and see if he is better (than last year) mid-way through the year.


I agree he's b etter so far this year than last

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:18 PM

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:19 PM

Why hasn't Gardiner being assigned to the Marlies seen more discussion?

I can't figure out why Gardiner would be sent down, he's a stud d-man, arguably in their top 2. I'm thinking something is going on here.


He was sent to the minors because he missed a game (after returning from concussion) and didn't look NHL ready.

I don't think it has anything to do with a Luongo deal...


See if you had responded with that originally you might have been deserving of a respectful rebuttal but instead you pulled your typical nonsense.


Still ignorant.

And your little snipe about my post count - yes, I've made nearly twice as many as you, but I've been on here more than twice as long as you have - so apparently you post with more frequency - if you have a problem with the quality of my posts, by all means, lead by example.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:25 PM

Still ignorant.


Still trying for the last word eh? I think this is bordering on personal attacks. I'll let your small man syndrome continue with someone else, welcome to the ignore list.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:37 PM

Gardiner was fine in the game against Pitsburgh. You'd think Toronto media would have blown up if he was actually injured.


Randy Carlyle said it was for a short conditioning stint as he'd been off for a while with the concussion. Said he'll be back very quickly.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:40 PM

Luongo to Cap chances increases.........but I don't think it a goalie problem...........something else is wrong

One day some of us will look back on the year and look at the chicago, and most of us will realize that it was a small bump in the road to the cup


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:40 PM

The Caps are losing again tonight in NJ.

Screws must be tightening a bit more on McPhee.

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