BuretoMogilny Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Both those Washington trades are exactly who Gillis has to target. Any combo of Wilson, Johan and Forsberg would be great. TO just sent Gardiner down to the minors. Possible speculation, Gardiner could be traded to the Canucks and be sent right to the Wolve while the Canucks worked on their 22 man roster. Gardiner and Bozak For Lu, Connaugton, 3rd Gardiner has to be Gillis' primary target. The Canucks need a true offensive dman that is an exceptional skater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Why hasn't Gardiner being assigned to the Marlies seen more discussion? I can't figure out why Gardiner would be sent down, he's a stud d-man, arguably in their top 2. I'm thinking something is going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Both those Washington trades are exactly who Gillis has to target. Any combo of Wilson, Johan and Forsberg would be great. TO just sent Gardiner down to the minors. Possible speculation, Gardiner could be traded to the Canucks and be sent right to the Wolve while the Canucks worked on their 22 man roster. Gardiner and Bozak For Lu, Connaugton, 3rd Gardiner has to be Gillis' primary target. The Canucks need a true offensive dman that is an exceptional skater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stizz19 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 After that implosion last night by the Leafs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I think he does in some case. And Ebbett salary isn't much, if we have an injury and we need a depth guy to jump into a meaningful top 9 role thats when you would rather have Tamby and that's where Tamby makes the team better than Ebbett would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 If you read, for most of the players I said "When Healthy" meaning the 10-11 Manny, is just as good as some of those guys. And yeah I did bring Karlsson and Semin up because you said directly that 1 demensional players can't play in this league anymore I directly proved you wrong, both with skill players and defensive players. And how is Mannys, cap hit an issue? We have space for him and he is a UFA at the end of the year? Reaching much. You keep side stepping my original point to try to continue on your argument without having to admit your wrong, my point is he is a way better option than Perreault, not sure how it is even debatable, but you keep sidestepping my point to justify yours. Also he's a Liability 5 on 5??? That's absolutely hilarious. Yes a defensive specialist who is on this team for his defensive ability, exc. is a "liability" that's classic, I guess you thought having Cody as the 4th line center in the 2011 playoffs was comforting for us to watch defensively. Again, on this team. Manny > Perreault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Why hasn't Gardiner being assigned to the Marlies seen more discussion? I can't figure out why Gardiner would be sent down, he's a stud d-man, arguably in their top 2. I'm thinking something is going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 You could make the same argument for ebbett though. Thinking about it more, i would actually rather have ebbett, at least he's a center. He scored some clutch goals last year. He deserves his spot here. I just don't see tamby doing any more than ebbett or being a bigger offensive threat. We're hurtin down the middle this year. manny has taken a step back and kesler is out, we really can't afford to trade a center in for a 4th line offensive minded winger. If we get a center in the luongo trade I'd be a little more inclined to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 If WSH is the mystery team, MG should insist Wilson is part of the package. He and Kassian would terrorize the Oilers and Flames for years lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 He was sent to the minors because he missed a game (after returning from concussion) and didn't look NHL ready. I don't think it has anything to do with a Luongo deal - I also think your proposal is an overpayment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 The Canucks would have to lose a couple more LWs to injury before Tambellini would start to even make remote sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spotted Zebra Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Caps losing1-0 Early. One has to wonder how much longer they can try to scape along before they pull the trigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Gardiner was fine in the game against Pitsburgh. You'd think Toronto media would have blown up if he was actually injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Malhotra's career high is 11 goals, 24 assists and 35 points with a +9 rating in 77 games and that was when he was still 28 yrs old. Perreault last year scored 16 goals, 14 assists and 30 points and was +9 did it in less games (64) and he's only 25 years old. He can play on the pk, take defensive faceoffs like your idol Manny, he can play chippy and get in other players faces, play on the PP, play wing and he has hands that Malhotra could only dream of having. And yes, he was a liabilty last year and an anchor whichever line he centers. You either have selective memory or just dont watch when Manny is out there on the ice not taking faceoffs. Let me ask you? have you SEEN Malhotra play other than taking faceoffs? Because obviously you have not or just choose to ignore it and throw faceoffs percentages at me. All of the players you mentioned does more than taking faceoffs, Malhotra's great contribution to this team is he's a 'nice guy' and good at faceoffs. Im sorry, but you dont give away roster spots for ONE DIMENSIONAL 4th line players (just incase you bring up Semin and Karlsson again.) I know you like to act like the Bob Mckenzie of these boards, but clearly your obsession with Manny is clouding your judgment in this one. How anyone who watches hockey can come up with the conclusion that Manny > Perreault is mid bloggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Concussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Again you are twisting things. How on earth Manny is a liability makes 0 sense, again as I said this is a defensive player who's game revloves around being smart defensively, faceoffs, PK, shot blocking, exc. If he is a liability as a 4th line center (which I don't know how that is even possible) then by that logic every 4th line center that plays a more defensive style is a liability. Now to go back to my point. For the 4th line role on this team, Manny is clearly the better option. I understand what Perreault brings completely, but for that role on this team we need a defensive guy who we can count on to play in defensive roles and take important draws so we don't have to use the stars as much in that situation. And in that role Manny is clearly the better option, better defensively, better on faceoffs, more size, more grit, better PKer, better shot blocker, for that defensive role there is no area in which Perreault has the advantage. If we need someone to fill the 2nd or 3rd line, then yes Perreault is the better option, if we need a 4th line center or a defensive 3rd line center, Manny is the better option. And besides we don't need Perreault moving forward, we literially have pretty much the exact same thing in Jordan Schroeder (who has a higerh ceiling) he just isn't as developed yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Again you are twisting things. How on earth Manny is a liability makes 0 sense, again as I said this is a defensive player who's game revloves around being smart defensively, faceoffs, PK, shot blocking, exc. If he is a liability as a 4th line center (which I don't know how that is even possible) then by that logic every 4th line center that plays a more defensive style is a liability. Now to go back to my point. For the 4th line role on this team, Manny is clearly the better option. I understand what Perreault brings completely, but for that role on this team we need a defensive guy who we can count on to play in defensive roles and take important draws so we don't have to use the stars as much in that situation. And in that role Manny is clearly the better option, better defensively, better on faceoffs, more size, more grit, better PKer, better shot blocker, for that defensive role there is no area in which Perreault has the advantage. If we need someone to fill the 2nd or 3rd line, then yes Perreault is the better option, if we need a 4th line center or a defensive 3rd line center, Manny is the better option. And besides we don't need Perreault moving forward, we literially have pretty much the exact same thing in Jordan Schroeder (who has a higerh ceiling) he just isn't as developed yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 You can teach those, AV transformed Kesler in a good checker in to a Selke player. (not saying Perreault will be a Selke winner lol) We'll have to agree to disagree because we both have different opions on what a 4th line should be. I like the idea of rolling 4 lines thats why i prefer Perreault over a defensive player like Malhotra on the 4th line. And I think he will be more useful to us if we lose one of our top 6 forwards in a long playoff run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I know from your previous post, you are referring to the healthy Manny of 2010-11. Unfortunately, he is not that Manny and may never be again. Unfrotunately for him and the Nucks, his abilities have been severely restricted by his eye injury. Other than face-offs, he looks lost out there and has difficulty making even simple plays on the puck. He seldom uses his size to punish the other team nad has the team's worst +/- so far which, for a defrensive specialist, is not a good sign. He is a great guy and would make an excellent scout or front office ambassoador but it would appear his playing days are numbered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 He is still capable of being a good 4th liner who is can be a great defensive specialist. He is far better conditioning and health wise than last year, he said his eye is almost just as good as before, it's no issue and unlike last year where he didn't get any time to train, he has had a summer of training, and wont be a step behind everyone throughout the entire year like last season, give the guy some time he will show his defensive skills. He probably won't be the 10/11 Manny, but once he knocks off the rust and gets going I could easily seem him as a great defensive 4th line center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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