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#751 oldnews

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:09 PM

Don't have the exact quote, but someone said the only pieces they want are Kessel, Phaneuf and Gardiner, and you said you didn't want any of the Leafs garbage.

Your going to have to explain Corsi, cause to me that stat is just a way for people to grasp at straws, for some people it seems to accurately tell the story, for others it doesn't.

Go to HF, find a pretty reasonable and objective fan, ask him Gardiner's importance to the team and get him to respond to that post you showed me.

You will probably get laughed at.


Still FOS. You're grasping at false straws - provide a quote - don't put your straw words in my mouth - it's ignorant.
And ironically, the last people I'd want are Kessel or Phaneuf.
Corsi - which you apparently don't understand - according to you, nevertheless, is "grasping at straws" - yet you are suggesting I go fan surfing on HF boards for an 'objective' person to tell me that Gardiner is a fully developed two-way top 4 blueliner? You're wasting my time Smashian.

I believe someone brought up the point a few days ago that you act like CDC's own Bob McKenzie - as if you're an insider regarding every proposed deal, who knows exactly who will move which player and for whom...
And yet you are oblivious to things like offensive zone starts, relative corsi, and quality of competition. Your comment that the Leafs face the same competition as us just goes to show that you have no idea what kind of matchups the Leafs consciously decide to use Gardiner against - which would also suggest that you don't really have much idea how ready he actually is to play a true - unsheltered - top 4 role.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:11 PM

Don't have the exact quote, but someone said the only pieces they want are Kessel, Phaneuf and Gardiner, and you said you didn't want any of the Leafs garbage.

Your going to have to explain Corsi, cause to me that stat is just a way for people to grasp at straws, for some people it seems to accurately tell the story, for others it doesn't.

Go to HF, find a pretty reasonable and objective fan, ask him Gardiner's importance to the team and get him to respond to that post you showed me.

You will probably get laughed at.


Gardiner has alot of offensive upside but has played 1 season for the leafs. Question becomes, is he the type of player that:

1. Can fit in, in the west?
2. Can fit in on the nucks?
3. Is more than a flash in the pan?

In regards to:

1. I think he is a very good offensive player but question if he could take the grinding play in the west. He is not the best defensive player and he's not physically big (ie uses size). That being said, he is offensively talented and coachable to probably get past this.

2. Worry here is AV. He doesn't let the dancers dance and the singers sing. He wants everyone to play 2 ways. How long before he busts this kid? I like AV, I like his strategy but that can have an impact of the value of a player to us...

3. Don't believe so, but there is potential he is. He did get prime ice time on a crap leafs team that let him play his style. Inflated stats?
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:11 PM

If our offense continues to have consistency issues, then I can't see a scenario where we keep both goalies by the trade deadline.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:18 PM

k I'm just gonna go ahead and say what most people are thinking.



Luongo, Raymond and Ballard for Johnny Oduya.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:23 PM

k I'm just gonna go ahead and say what most people are thinking.



Luongo, Raymond and Ballard for Johnny Oduya.


Git'er dun MG!

That wasn't even funny
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:40 PM

Hope Canucks play better tonight or Lu be yanked by end of the second.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:42 PM

Still FOS. You're grasping at false straws - provide a quote - don't put your straw words in my mouth - it's ignorant.
And ironically, the last people I'd want are Kessel or Phaneuf.
Corsi - which you apparently don't understand - according to you, nevertheless, is "grasping at straws" - yet you are suggesting I go fan surfing on HF boards for an 'objective' person to tell me that Gardiner is a fully developed two-way top 4 blueliner? You're wasting my time Smashian.

I believe someone brought up the point a few days ago that you act like CDC's own Bob McKenzie - as if you're an insider regarding every proposed deal, who knows exactly who will move which player and for whom...
And yet you are oblivious to things like offensive zone starts, relative corsi, and quality of competition. Your comment that the Leafs face the same competition as us just goes to show that you have no idea what kind of matchups the Leafs consciously decide to use Gardiner against - which would also suggest that you don't really have much idea how ready he actually is to play a true - unsheltered - top 4 role.


Your the one who started this whole thing, and yes he is "Sheltered" playing with defensive specialists like Dion Phaneuf and John Micheal-Liles.

People can call me whatever they want, I would rather be able to provide more objective & most realistic feedback rather than thinking Canucks needs are the only one's who matters, and not taking other teams needs into considerations like alot of poeple here.

My advice, is for you to find someone who follows the leafs closer than you and I, and see how they respond, judging by what I have seen on HF boards, they would laugh and say your totally off-base.

Just do that and see what response you get, as alot of people on HF are actually pretty reasonable and fair. Far more than on this site that's for sure.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:54 PM

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:00 AM

Still FOS. You're grasping at false straws - provide a quote - don't put your straw words in my mouth - it's ignorant.
And ironically, the last people I'd want are Kessel or Phaneuf.
Corsi - which you apparently don't understand - according to you, nevertheless, is "grasping at straws" - yet you are suggesting I go fan surfing on HF boards for an 'objective' person to tell me that Gardiner is a fully developed two-way top 4 blueliner? You're wasting my time Smashian.

I believe someone brought up the point a few days ago that you act like CDC's own Bob McKenzie - as if you're an insider regarding every proposed deal, who knows exactly who will move which player and for whom...
And yet you are oblivious to things like offensive zone starts, relative corsi, and quality of competition. Your comment that the Leafs face the same competition as us just goes to show that you have no idea what kind of matchups the Leafs consciously decide to use Gardiner against - which would also suggest that you don't really have much idea how ready he actually is to play a true - unsheltered - top 4 role.


Lol you got owned smashian.

And btw you are not being objective and realistic,- You said you wouldn't trade raymond and were all up on him the other day. Good thing your not GM
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:09 AM

Your the one who started this whole thing, and yes he is "Sheltered" playing with defensive specialists like Dion Phaneuf and John Micheal-Liles.

People can call me whatever they want, I would rather be able to provide more objective & most realistic feedback rather than thinking Canucks needs are the only one's who matters, and not taking other teams needs into considerations like alot of poeple here.

My advice, is for you to find someone who follows the leafs closer than you and I, and see how they respond, judging by what I have seen on HF boards, they would laugh and say your totally off-base.

Just do that and see what response you get, as alot of people on HF are actually pretty reasonable and fair. Far more than on this site that's for sure.


I responded to your claim,yes, that Gardiner is an uber-impressive top 4 who is far too valuable to be traded for Luongo. I've heard your claim enough times - that he's untouchable - that I thought I'd ad some context to his achievements as a rookie - things you've decided not to look at because they don't qualify your parroting of all the hype from HF boards that you bring to this thread.

Thanks for the unsolicited advice Smashian - disregard the underlying numbers all you want - I'll disregard your suggestion to talk to objective Leafs fans haha. Mine to you is to respond to what people actually say - I haven't seen the quote you allege - truth is you put those words in my mouth.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:09 AM

Here's my proposal luongo and bieksa for coturrier simmonds and a 1st. Any thoughts I'd rater do ballard but quite sure philly is looking for a top 4 dman with their troubles.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:09 AM

Gardiner has alot of offensive upside but has played 1 season for the leafs. Question becomes, is he the type of player that:

1. Can fit in, in the west?
2. Can fit in on the nucks?
3. Is more than a flash in the pan?

In regards to:

1. I think he is a very good offensive player but question if he could take the grinding play in the west. He is not the best defensive player and he's not physically big (ie uses size). That being said, he is offensively talented and coachable to probably get past this.

2. Worry here is AV. He doesn't let the dancers dance and the singers sing. He wants everyone to play 2 ways. How long before he busts this kid? I like AV, I like his strategy but that can have an impact of the value of a player to us...

3. Don't believe so, but there is potential he is. He did get prime ice time on a crap leafs team that let him play his style. Inflated stats?


1. I think the East is more grinding than the West, just look at the teams, Boston, Philly, NYR, New Jersey, exc. I don't really buy that the West is tougher or anything like that, he does just fine there and he would do just fine out here.

2. I hate AV, he is a moron who should have been gone long ago. but Idk, he likes playing guys like Hamhuis and Edler so perhaps Gardiner would be given a chance, although if this team continues on you have to think AV is on the hot seat.

3. No not inflated stats, this is a team that was almost last in GAA, the fact that he stood out on a crappy team like that is only a testament to how good he is and how important he is to that team.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:11 AM

Lol you got owned smashian.

And btw you are not being objective and realistic,- You said you wouldn't trade raymond and were all up on him the other day. Good thing your not GM


Yeah why would we trade Raymond he is one of our better players.

I'm glad half the people here aren't GM, as Ballard would have been gone for a 5th round pick a long time ago, and we would be left with nothing on defense. As he has been our best defensemen.

It's obvious no one knows quite the importance of players to other teams. That's why I read HF to get a better perspective, and it is obvious to me most of what people on here think "is fair" is far from it to other teams.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:13 AM

If our offense continues to have consistency issues, then I can't see a scenario where we keep both goalies by the trade deadline.


Maybe the team has consistency issues because their second line is injured?
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:16 AM

I responded to your claim,yes, that Gardiner is an uber-impressive top 4 who is far too valuable to be traded for Luongo. I've heard your claim enough times - that he's untouchable - that I thought I'd ad some context to his achievements as a rookie - things you've decided not to look at because they don't qualify your parroting of all the hype from HF boards that you bring to this thread.

Thanks for the unsolicited advice Smashian - disregard the underlying numbers all you want - I'll disregard your suggestion to talk to objective Leafs fans haha. Mine to you is to respond to what people actually say - I haven't seen the quote you allege - truth is you put those words in my mouth.


I won't be able to supply the quote, as the Luongo thread it was in (3.0 or 4.0) is sense long gone, but you do nothing but bash the leafs anyways, clear Anti-Leaf bias.

Also your wrong, I never said he too valuable to be delt for Luongo, I have maintained that they would never do it as he is way to important too there team.

Would we trade Zack Kassian or Nicklas Jensen or Chris Tanev in a deal for say.. Vincent Lecavalier??? Absoluetly not.

You obviously don't understand the concept of importance which is why I suggest you go to HF and propose alot of the terrible deals on there that you have on here and gauge other fans reaction.

But you won't...?? Because...??? You know I'm right??

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 29 January 2013 - 12:17 AM.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:25 AM

This is what happens when we play 3 in 4 nights and there is no trade rumours. :lol:

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Lame ass excuse, as when we played the Sharks last night it was their 3rd game in 4 nights. B.S if you ask me, also it`s early in the season, so it`s really not an excuse. at this point.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:25 AM

I won't be able to supply the quote, as the Luongo thread it was in (3.0 or 4.0) is sense long gone, but you do nothing but bash the leafs anyways, clear Anti-Leaf bias.

Also your wrong, I never said he too valuable to be delt for Luongo, I have maintained that they would never do it as he is way to important too there team.

Would we trade Zack Kassian or Nicklas Jensen or Chris Tanev in a deal for say.. Vincent Lecavalier??? Absoluetly not.

You obviously don't understand the concept of importance which is why I suggest you go to HF and propose alot of the terrible deals on there that you have on here and gauge other fans reaction.

But you won't...?? Because...??? You know I'm right??


It's easy Smashian - google my name and that quote - and those threads aren't gone - they're right here for your reference - they're just locked - but the truth is you're simply wrong fabricating something - those were your words not mine - so cut the BS.
Why would we trade Kassian, Jensen or Tanev when we don't have a greater, gaping need between the pipes? Good question.

Edited by oldnews, 29 January 2013 - 12:27 AM.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:37 AM

It's easy Smashian - google my name and that quote - and those threads aren't gone - they're right here for your reference - they're just locked - but the truth is you're simply wrong fabricating something - those were your words not mine - so cut the BS.
Why would we trade Kassian, Jensen or Tanev when we don't have a greater, gaping need between the pipes? Good question.


I'm not going to continue to go down this road with you that doesn't have an ending, so we should just end it now, although I do maintain I recall you saying it, without proof I can't definitively say you did but I do have reelections of you saying something like that, but anyways let's just drop that part of it though.

Do we not have a gaping need a center?? Lecavalier is a center. Would you trade great young assets like that who are of vital importance to this team and organization??

NO, we wouldn't. And I can assure you that is exactly how the Leafs feel,

If you want to continue to bang this drum, and if you are so confident that you are right and I am completely wrong, then take my advice, and go to HF and present your ideas.

Why wouldn't you? If your so confident your right why wouldn't you go present your ideas to them??? Just do it, I'm sure they will all agree with you and gladly hand over Gardiner, just go talk to them and see what they say.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 29 January 2013 - 12:38 AM.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:39 AM

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^ Why don't you two knock it off and send each other personal messages if it is so personal?
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:42 AM

Lame ass excuse, as when we played the Sharks last night it was their 3rd game in 4 nights. B.S if you ask me, also it`s early in the season, so it`s really not an excuse. at this point.


That went right over your head didn't it? Quite sure theminister was referring to the fact that the Luongo trade thread had devolved into a Clutterbuck vs. Torres pissing match.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:45 AM

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:21 AM

Apparently in the absence of King, we've turned on our own...

Smashian and oldnews, you two are well past the intelligent debate stage and into the 'yelling over the internet' stage. And it's not even about Luongo - might be time to take a step back and see what the heck you're arguing about.

Anyway, after a pretty darn good night from Luongo tonight, and Gillis not saying the volume of check ins with other teams has increased but rather the quality of those check ins are a little more interesting, there's a chance we do see a deal at some point soon. No rush on Gillis' part, as he's made clear a few times, but we'll see how much of a rush other teams are in pretty soon.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:11 AM

Yeah it sucks there was some really good threads started today about Luongo but since this thread exists they were locked, so I come here to continue the conversation. And all I see is pages and pages of you morons arguing with each other about nothing that has to do with Luongo. Instead of moderators locking redundant threads, maybe they could ban all you that come here to argue with one another. This thread should not be named Luongo Trade Thread it should be named the argue with old news and smashinkassian about stuff that has NOTHING to do with Luongo. You guys ruin this site.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:41 AM

Yeah it sucks there was some really good threads started today about Luongo but since this thread exists they were locked, so I come here to continue the conversation. And all I see is pages and pages of you morons arguing with each other about nothing that has to do with Luongo. Instead of moderators locking redundant threads, maybe they could ban all you that come here to argue with one another. This thread should not be named Luongo Trade Thread it should be named the argue with old news and smashinkassian about stuff that has NOTHING to do with Luongo. You guys ruin this site.


A bit harsh? Both of us got carried away, I take absolute responsibility for it.

But Oldnews and I are far from the worst things on this site.

^ Why don't you two knock it off and send each other personal messages if it is so personal?

Apparently in the absence of King, we've turned on our own...

Smashian and oldnews, you two are well past the intelligent debate stage and into the 'yelling over the internet' stage. And it's not even about Luongo - might be time to take a step back and see what the heck you're arguing about.

Anyway, after a pretty darn good night from Luongo tonight, and Gillis not saying the volume of check ins with other teams has increased but rather the quality of those check ins are a little more interesting, there's a chance we do see a deal at some point soon. No rush on Gillis' part, as he's made clear a few times, but we'll see how much of a rush other teams are in pretty soon.


I thought it was about why Jake Gardiner is not going to be available for Luongo.

But yeah I agree, sorry guys we got out of hand, hopefully you don't take it the wrong way and we can all move past this.

Nonetheless I agree Elvis.

Luongo was spectacular tonight, teams like Washington who are struggling should be looking at this with extra incentive to make a quality offer, so this circus can end.

In one light I will be saddened to see Lu go as I have been a big fan, but in another light I will be kind of relived that we can move on. Either way we can't lose sight of what is best for the organization by either throwing him away for nothing, or being to stubborn to accept a decent offer and missing our opportunity to take the right deal.

Will be interesting to see how it unfolds, I just hope Lu is a starter sometime soon, and we have a good enough return to show for it.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 29 January 2013 - 02:42 AM.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:10 AM

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:22 AM

Sorry, it was too harsh. It is just frustrating that threads involving relevant Luongo updates and conversations are locked and we are told to come to the only thread on this site were people aern't talking about Luongo.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:04 AM

This team just has never been the same since the cup run. Sad really.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:19 AM

Why are people talking about Kessel all of a sudden?

Because some Toronto-based sportswriter wrote a piece to the effect of "Kessel is unlikely to finish the season with the Leafs"...

It was a typical story looking for a place to happen, based on the fact that PK hasn't scored yet this season.

Probably written by that bald-headed blowhard. Nothing to it, IMHO....
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:45 AM

after last night's choke to LA it looks as though Lu is past his "best before" date so that means his price is going down!! Has he actually recorded a win this season? Don't think so. I am very surprised he is suited up if Gillis is serious about trading/dumping him!! Injuries to Lu could very well be a double edged sword to this team!!!
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:37 AM

after last night's choke to LA it looks as though Lu is past his "best before" date so that means his price is going down!! Has he actually recorded a win this season? Don't think so. I am very surprised he is suited up if Gillis is serious about trading/dumping him!! Injuries to Lu could very well be a double edged sword to this team!!!


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Lu stood on his head last night and was the only reason that game made it to the shootout.
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