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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

And what prediction is this?


That Lou's value would drop sitting on the bench. It has not and it will not.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

:lol:

Schneider had a panic attack. Luongo finished the game for him. You're referencing a one-time, extremely low probability event for your point on the merits of keeping both goalies for the playoffs?

Please remind me - how many goals did we score against Boston, again? Over a full 7 games?


Okay, speaking of events of low probability, you really think Tyler Bozak and Ben Scrivens get us into round two last year?

Edit: Or this year?

Edited by Millerdraft, 31 January 2013 - 07:29 PM.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:29 PM

Sorry, Lu isn't a "panic" acquisition. He's signed until 2022, in case you've forgotten.

Not exactly a Martin Rucinsky/Geoff Sanderson situation.


wait til ownership says we need to make money and in order to do that we need to make the playoffs also especially in florida a team that isn't drawing a lot of people luongo will change that right away and could give them sellouts every night

also ya i know he is signed til 2022 its also known around the league by every GM even Gillis that he won't play til then the contract is not as bad for a starting goalie compared to the other starting goalies at a 5.3 cap hit thats a steal with the cap going down
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:35 PM

Stop adding me in this proposal, as it was never mine and I never said it was a fair deal. And I have told you this many times, atleast 3-5 times before. So just stop.

My proposal's have been:

Luongo for Kadri, Bozak, 2nd

Luongo for Frattin, Finn, 1st

Both of which are fair or close to it value wise


Apparently you feel Kadri is no longer available - is the same now true of Frattin who is probably outperforming Kadri at this point?

I understand why you'd want Frattin - but why Finn? I'd much rather have a player like Petrovic personally, but are you looking at Finn thinking we haven't drafted a blueliner in the higher rounds for a few years, or do you see something special about the guy?
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:43 PM

I made sure to make that prediction prior to the season starting, actually.

Is that right? How strange! Doesn't everybody want him, though? Shouldn't there be a bidding war? What's the hold up?

:bigblush:


Ah even worse.

And no, who said everyone wanted him, teams do want him but simply can't part with what we need to make it happen.

Does take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:46 PM

The point is, smarter hockey minds than you don't think these are mistakes (otherwise you'd be sitting with your feet up in some NHL GM's office with a cigar in your mouth and some "dumb" current GM would be on here typing posts instead). If it weren't for Willie Mitchell's multiple concussons, he would've also been on one of those 4-5year/$14-$17.5m contracts. Was that also a mistake by Dean Lombardi (2 years, plus two year extension)?


Not sure what you're really trying to say here.

Gillis values Garrison at the contract that he offered him. Someone else alluded to the fact that Detroit & Philadelphia were prepared to offer him more money - OK, fine. I would also venture a guess that there were more than a couple of GMs who think the contract's crazy. These differing opinions are what makes a vibrant UFA market.

A lot of people on this board think that Wideman's contract is crazy. Feaster would clearly disagree.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:49 PM

Apparently you feel Kadri is no longer available - is the same now true of Frattin who is probably outperforming Kadri at this point?

I understand why you'd want Frattin - but why Finn? I'd much rather have a player like Petrovic personally, but are you looking at Finn thinking we haven't drafted a blueliner in the higher rounds for a few years, or do you see something special about the guy?


Frattin has played like 3 games, yes he had a nice game against Buffalo, Kadri is their leading scorer. I just can't see why any team would want to trade away a 22 year old who is leading there team in scoring, in the offseason I think it was there, right now it isn't. Especially since they ditched 2 capable top 9 centers to make room for him. Frattin is avaliable as he will probably be sent down when Lupul returns. And we need to get some quality.

And I would rather Petrovic too personally as I am a big fan, but unfortunatly Petrovic doesn't play for the Marlies and the Leafs don't have anyone like him.

Finn is sort of like Tanev, calm, cool, reliable, also has 29 points in 36 games on an a Guelph team that is middle of the pack in their confrence. So he is also sort of a Jack of all trades guy like Corrado.

I would rather him than Percy or any of there other D prospects (that are avaliable) myself.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:50 PM

That Lou's value would drop sitting on the bench. It has not and it will not.


I guess that depends on your definition of "value". To me, Luongo's value is what someone else will pay for him. I certainly don't think that that's increased since the start of this season. What could possibly have driven the increase?

What does "value" mean to you, in the above context? He can get 5 consecutive shutouts, for all I care, even that probably wouldn't have much of an effect on his value, in the context that I've defined.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:50 PM

Not sure what you're really trying to say here.

Gillis values Garrison at the contract that he offered him. Someone else alluded to the fact that Detroit & Philadelphia were prepared to offer him more money - OK, fine. I would also venture a guess that there were more than a couple of GMs who think the contract's crazy. These differing opinions are what makes a vibrant UFA market.

A lot of people on this board think that Wideman's contract is crazy. Feaster would clearly disagree.


not just people on the board its known league wide Wideman's contract is a bad contract especially when you take into account the flames already have another awful contract in Bouwmeester
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:52 PM

wait til ownership says we need to make money and in order to do that we need to make the playoffs also especially in florida a team that isn't drawing a lot of people luongo will change that right away and could give them sellouts every night


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The name's Luongo, not Bieber.

Quite frankly, you're dreaming.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:55 PM

And no, who said everyone wanted him, teams do want him but simply can't part with what we need to make it happen.


"Can't", or "don't want to". Think about it.

They can, they just don't want to, because they're just not that interested. They're not compelled to act. This is what you need to come to grips with. The interest just isn't there.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:56 PM

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The name's Luongo, not Bieber.

Quite frankly, you're dreaming.


Agains Owners are in it to make money and will pressure their GM's to make the playoffs and if they feel a player like Luongo puts them in the playoffs they will push on their GM to trade for him it does happen
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:57 PM

Not sure what you're really trying to say here.

Gillis values Garrison at the contract that he offered him. Someone else alluded to the fact that Detroit & Philadelphia were prepared to offer him more money - OK, fine. I would also venture a guess that there were more than a couple of GMs who think the contract's crazy. These differing opinions are what makes a vibrant UFA market.

A lot of people on this board think that Wideman's contract is crazy. Feaster would clearly disagree.


This is at least a thought out post. Yes, 50-point defensemen are worth $5m on an open market so Calgary slightly overpaid for a 50pt guy but he's also a completely one dimensional player. Now, what's a 30-40pt two-way defenseman worth? Shouldn't they be worth more than one-way defensive liabilities?

$4.5m. We have five of them on this team (one of whom has been under utilized in comparison to his career average).
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Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:02 PM

"Can't", or "don't want to". Think about it.

They can, they just don't want to, because they're just not that interested. They're not compelled to act. This is what you need to come to grips with. The interest just isn't there.


When it comes to high level players it's never easy to give up something good to get something good. Risks become magnified with these types of deals. That's not to say the interest is never there, it's just a question of "is it worth the risk to make this trade?"
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:08 PM

King of the ES: sometimes the best thing to do is say nothing.

Try it.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:11 PM

Was watching CTV and they had a interesting interview with Lou and Schneider.
Lou was presenting a angle that #1 was always there to be fought over well Schneider was coming off a little upset about not starting. Saying he negotiated in good faith but always felt something like this could happen. I would link it if I could find it.

Anyone else catch that? I swear Schneiders body language and the words he chose made me feel like he was going out the door instead. Be cool to see other peoples reactions to it.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:18 PM

Was watching CTV and they had a interesting interview with Lou and Schneider.
Lou was presenting a angle that #1 was always there to be fought over well Schneider was coming off a little upset about not starting. Saying he negotiated in good faith but always felt something like this could happen. I would link it if I could find it.

Anyone else catch that? I swear Schneiders body language and the words he chose made me feel like he was going out the door instead. Be cool to see other peoples reactions to it.


I understand it could happen but what a black eye for this organizatino if they do that to him.

He did negotiate in good faith and would have tested FA if he thought he was going to have to sit while Lu played. Trevor Linden was on 1040 today and said that the Cory is not happy and it is a distraction to the team.

IF TRUE...badly played AV and MG.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:19 PM

"Can't", or "don't want to". Think about it.

They can, they just don't want to, because they're just not that interested. They're not compelled to act. This is what you need to come to grips with. The interest just isn't there.


Okay so then trade Bozak, Kadri and a 2nd right now if you are Nonis. (Which is 2 of your top 5 scorers)

Then when your center ice position is composed of Grabovski and nothing else, try justifying it.

Philly simply can't make a move right now well they still have Bryzgalov, that should be common sense.

And Florida wants him but GMDT won't give up Bjugstad.

And I'm not sure where Washington stands right now if they have even made an offer or have poked around, no one knows for sure.

There is a clear desire from atleast 2 of the 4 teams to acquire him right now, they just aren't will to give up what we want or else they can't under the circumstances they are under.

There were almost more teams than just NYR interested in Rich Nash, but since they weren't willing to pay the price does that mean they weren't interested? No.

Toronto wanted to get Mike Richards from Philly, but they weren't willing to pay the price, does that mean they weren't interested? No.

It's not rocket science, there is a difference between interest and not wanting to pay the price.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 31 January 2013 - 08:24 PM.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:20 PM

not just people on the board its known league wide Wideman's contract is a bad contract especially when you take into account the flames already have another awful contract in Bouwmeester


There were only 9 defensemen in the NHL last year with more points than Dennis Wideman.

I have no idea why people keep going on and on about how awful Wideman's contract is, yet simultaneously going on and on about how wonderful Garrison's is.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:23 PM

There were only 9 defensemen in the NHL last year with more points than Dennis Wideman.

I have no idea why people keep going on and on about how awful Wideman's contract is, yet simultaneously going on and on about how wonderful Garrison's is.

Garrison was brought in for his defense. Taking over Salo's spot, he also has a cannon like Salo which is good on the PP.

Wideman is a one trick pony.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:26 PM

There were only 9 defensemen in the NHL last year with more points than Dennis Wideman.

I have no idea why people keep going on and on about how awful Wideman's contract is, yet simultaneously going on and on about how wonderful Garrison's is.


It's because Wideman has been one of the league's biggest defensive liabilities as far as offensive defensemen go, and his offensive skill level is not Yandle-esque to compensate for that.

Edited by Millerdraft, 31 January 2013 - 08:26 PM.

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Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:30 PM

Yes, 50-point defensemen are worth $5m on an open market so Calgary slightly overpaid for a 50pt guy but he's also a completely one dimensional player. Now, what's a 30-40pt two-way defenseman worth? Shouldn't they be worth more than one-way defensive liabilities?


No, because one person's specialty might be more impactful than another person's. What you're saying would be like saying that Kassian is more valuable than D. Sedin, since he both scores and fights, while Sedin is more one-dimensional.

A lot of people found Christian Ehrhoff to be pretty one-dimensional. But that one-dimension was extremely valuable to our team - he brought something that we have not been able to replace. Investing in a couple of the other guys over Ehrhoff - Bieksa & Garrison, for example - was IMO a mistake. Specialists are often more impactful than jack-of-all-trades types, as well as more scarce.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:37 PM

I have no idea why people keep going on and on about how awful Wideman's contract is, yet simultaneously going on and on about how wonderful Garrison's is.


That's because you judge players and even defensemen on a very simple basis - scoring stats.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:37 PM

And Florida wants him but GMDT won't give up Bjugstad.

It's not rocket science, there is a difference between interest and not wanting to pay the price.


If they were that interested, they wouldn't be too concerned with the price. They're not even willing to part ways with a complete unknown for him, Nick Bjugstad, as you've alluded to.

Of course, they might have interest, with the caveat being they're interested if we'll take back some of their crappy contracts and/or underperformers (Upshall anyone?). And what that should tell you is that they're really not that interested at all - certainly, no urgency is being shown.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:39 PM

No, because one person's specialty might be more impactful than another person's. What you're saying would be like saying that Kassian is more valuable than D. Sedin, since he both scores and fights, while Sedin is more one-dimensional.

A lot of people found Christian Ehrhoff to be pretty one-dimensional. But that one-dimension was extremely valuable to our team - he brought something that we have not been able to replace. Investing in a couple of the other guys over Ehrhoff - Bieksa & Garrison, for example - was IMO a mistake. Specialists are often more impactful than jack-of-all-trades types, as well as more scarce.


So, by the term specialists you really just mean offensive specialists? Willie Mitchell is a defensive specialist and a lot of people say we'd have won the Cup had we had Mitchell instead of Ballard, since Mitchell could've stepped up in Hamhuis' absence.

I agree that this team is currently missing out on Ehrhoff's evasive puck-moving skills but Gillis definitively tried to go after Schultz to replace that but was ultimately unsuccessful. Whatya do? Sometimes UFAs have their mind set and I think you'd be wise to wait a few months (if not a year) before rushing to judge Garrison. Does Ballard not look like a completely different player this year?
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:45 PM

Frattin has played like 3 games, yes he had a nice game against Buffalo, Kadri is their leading scorer. I just can't see why any team would want to trade away a 22 year old who is leading there team in scoring, in the offseason I think it was there, right now it isn't. Especially since they ditched 2 capable top 9 centers to make room for him. Frattin is avaliable as he will probably be sent down when Lupul returns. And we need to get some quality.

And I would rather Petrovic too personally as I am a big fan, but unfortunatly Petrovic doesn't play for the Marlies and the Leafs don't have anyone like him.

Finn is sort of like Tanev, calm, cool, reliable, also has 29 points in 36 games on an a Guelph team that is middle of the pack in their confrence. So he is also sort of a Jack of all trades guy like Corrado.

I would rather him than Percy or any of there other D prospects (that are avaliable) myself.


Frattin has 4 goals, 6 points +2 in 4 games, so if Kadri is not available because he's their young, leading scorer (7 points in 7 games), you'd think the same logic would apply to Frattin - although my opinion is that there is nothing in the Leafs organization too valuable to be on the table. And none of these Leafs proposals are compelling.
The Frattin and a 1st part of that deal would be a nice start, but Finn isn't enough imo.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:46 PM

That's because you judge players and even defensemen on a very simple basis - scoring stats.


Yeah, because those "advanced" stats like corsi are just far beyond my intellectual capacity.

The reality is that scoring stats are the only isolated and reliable individual stats for hockey. Corsi's entire framework is based on the notion of shots toward the opposing net. So a guy like Garrison could be on the ice for 45 seconds, scratch his nose, not touch the puck once, while the Sedin's could generate 6 shots towards the opposition's goal. Who gets the credit? Right, everyone that's on the ice. This is also why plus/minus needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Doesn't even include special teams - a huge part of hockey - and you're often at the whim of your line/teammates.

Nothing trumps goals, assists, and SOG for isolated individual stats.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:51 PM

If they were that interested, they wouldn't be too concerned with the price. They're not even willing to part ways with a complete unknown for him, Nick Bjugstad, as you've alluded to.

Of course, they might have interest, with the caveat being they're interested if we'll take back some of their crappy contracts and/or underperformers (Upshall anyone?). And what that should tell you is that they're really not that interested at all - certainly, no urgency is being shown.


Complete unknown to u, to them he is a 6'5 player with high offensive skill, I haven't follow him closely although I think they have hopes he might be a borderline first liner, or very good 2nd liner. Either way they highly covet him which increases his value.

Florida needs us to take back salary actually, as they are a budget team, so regardless of if Bjugstad was avaliable or not, odds are they would want us to accept some salary in the deal.

Once again there is interest, there is a major difference between not being interested and not willing to pay the price. As we have seen with many all-star caliber players.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:52 PM

Nothing trumps goals, assists, and SOG for isolated individual stats.


Not even reason
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:54 PM

So, by the term specialists you really just mean offensive specialists? Willie Mitchell is a defensive specialist and a lot of people say we'd have won the Cup had we had Mitchell instead of Ballard, since Mitchell could've stepped up in Hamhuis' absence.


No, not at all. You can be a defensive specialist, but I think that's pretty rare as it's sort of the prerequisite to being in the NHL at that position (ie - are there any forwards that are referred to as "scoring specialists"?). Mitchell's passing abilities were underrated. He also played on the PP for us at times. He's a good overall defenseman. I'd consider a defensive specialist maybe someone like Matt Greene.

I agree that this team is currently missing out on Ehrhoff's evasive puck-moving skills but Gillis definitively tried to go after Schultz to replace that but was ultimately unsuccessful. Whatya do? Sometimes UFAs have their mind set and I think you'd be wise to wait a few months (if not a year) before rushing to judge Garrison. Does Ballard not look like a completely different player this year?


I hated the Garrison signing when it happened, and nothing really has changed. Just way too rich. I also hate very strongly losing Salo.
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