Pears Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 why? instead of having a 5.3 mil cap hit backup, we have a 4mil cap hit backup. We should be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 On the other hand you have a real college degree that can help you after your career... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklas Jensen Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 In what world does starting two straight games mean Luongo has won the starting job back? Terrible logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edler's Mind Tricks Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 The degree in Hockey Stick Manufacture is saturated. Just like lawyering. Even Kenny Dryden had to go into politics to make a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 dude, home game start, division rival. Hello? sounds pretty Starter-like to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I'm almost certain Luongo is getting this game not only because he stole a point for us the other night, but to give Schneider some extra rest for Friday against Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 This is right. If he doesn't sign by June 2014 he's an FA. That's a big risk if hes the centrepiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Wow Kadri and Bozak are above Grabovski on the depth chart? Reimer and Scrivens are bad? Bryz has a .929 SV% and a 2.19GAA... How much better does he have to play to consider himself 'picked up' ? Do you even watch other teams?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Why would he need rest... it's not a back to back game. Luongo just played better and he's getting the start if u ask me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 So who would we get from Washington?? Neuvirth & Hendricks?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 One of the few TO proposals that should interest MG. Old News was talking about Frattin quite awhile ago. Schroeder has shown enough that the pressure at center might be less depending on Kesler's ETA. Panthers: Talk of financial problems don't go away. Does that force them into a weak non-hockey deal for Lui realizing his possible appeal in that market? From Van's perspective the need is a top 6 to help the 2nd line. Booth hasn't really proven anything yet. Kassian's play might make Burrows the answer to the LW on the 2nd. Islanders: I was questioning this option until I watched their game against Pitt. It looks like the Isles are ready to step out. Their owner is hands on and who knows what he would OK. Lui might look good especially moving into a new arena. Very possible deal. Philly: They have been winning but Brys is a nutbar. Money has never been an issue and if CAP space can be had I would think they would be interested. Wash: All sorts of issues in Washington. The biggest is what Ovy is not doing, scoring. Their ownership is also pro=active and who knows who has his ear. Oates is very respected and I suspect he will have a clear idea of what he has by game 15 -20. Their CUP timeline is is pretty much now just like the Canucks. There should be a match there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Cam Charron at Canucks Army posted a good piece today arguing that the antiquated concept of starter vs. backup is mainly being preserved by a number of media members who are from a different era of the NHL: THE CANUCKS DON'T CARE WHO THE NO. 1 GOALIE IS, AND NEITHER DO I Roberto Luongo is starting for the Vancouver Canucks tonight against Colorado, for the second game in a row, the latest inexplicable move by the milt of a bench boss who seems determined to keep this goalie controversy active and festering in the minds of his players, players who are performing below their expected ability because of the mental distraction wrought on them by not knowing in the back of their minds who the clear No. 1 goaltender is for this once proud franchise. Gee, that's a mouthful, and difficult to write without placing my tongue firmly on the part of my keyboard analogous to the cheek, and spewing nonsense out of my mouth. The words are certainly in English, but the thoughts don't make any sense. Whatever your impressions of Alain Vigneault as a coach, the furthest place you should look for criticism is the starting goaltender he chooses for any given game. Cory Schneider and Roberto Luongo are both starting goalies at the NHL-level. They play on the same team, and as a result, the prescribed "backup" is going to see consecutive games at some point. I didn't like reporters asking Cory Schneider at the Canucks' mini-camp how he would do as the starting goalie with the pressure of the city on him. The label "Number One" goalie is archaic in an age where there are, at any given moment, about 40 people in the world who could start on a given National Hockey League team. Certainly, back in the day of many sports commentators or writers, every team had a "Number One". The Chicago Blackhawks had Glenn Hall, the Montreal Canadiens had Jacques Plante, the Toronto Maple Leafs had Johnny Bower. Gump Worsley, Harry Lumley, "Suger" Jim Henry and Al Rollins are other famous names that were classic No. 1 starters. They were familiar names because teams didn't often use backup goaltenders and goaltenders frequently played entire seasons. 29 goalies played every game in the Original Six era. No goalie has done it since, even in the lockout-shortened 1995 season. The game has evolved, and labelling lines or positions the way we used to "first line" "shutdown defenceman" "enforcer" are positions where the wording stands up to more scrutiny. It's why I avoid sweeping statements like "the first line" when talking about Henrik and Daniel Sedin because that insinuates the implication that is the line that is counted on the most in every situation by Vigneault. It's not, and they didn't even the get the most ice-time per game last season. If I recall correctly (I can't find the precise quote) I remember Alain Vigneault saying pre-season that Luongo would start three or four times out of every ten games, and they'd probably split the back-to-backs. "Three or four times out of every ten games" is actually a lot of starts: pro-rated over a 48-game season, Schneider would start 29 times and Luongo 19 times. In a 15-week season, that means there will be five weeks where the goalies have an equal number of starts, and ten weeks where Schneider will have one more. It's a small discrepancy that will add up over the course of forty eight games. Of course, there will be lots of mis-guided discussion about how the Canucks are handling their goalies because there isn't a clear No. 1. People keep asking Vigneault who the starter is, and he keeps vaguely replying with the truth—he has two good goaltenders, and Luongo is the starter tonight. There's a built-in narrative that Schneider was feeling Luongo at his heels, which was why he struggled in the opening game of the season against Anaheim. He responded by playing well in his next two starts against Calgary and Anaheim, apparently having gotten over the bug of Luongo being traded. Last season, Luongo had his second best era-adjusted even strength save percentage of his career, and the best of his Canucks' career, even with Schneider nipping at his heels. Canucks' goalies have a .934 save rate this season and had a .929 last season. The St. Louis Blues, who wound up at the top of every goaltending category there is, had a 1A and 1B system with Jaroslav Halak and Brian Elliott. Luongo makes saves and will start a lot of games this season. Schneider makes saves and will start a lot of games this season, but probably a few more than Luongo. Sometimes a team with a goalie controversy is just a team with two good goalies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 McKenzie said there is absolutely zero interest on Washington's part. With the new draft lottery system, teams cannot simply tank and expect a top 3 pick so you'd think Tallon would have to be interested. Tallon could also get a nice piece back for Markstrom. Bjustad please. TO is interested but it doesn't sound like they want to give up anything or that Lu wants to go there. Best bet is Florida, but Tallon needs to realize his goaltending is terrible. Worst goals against in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 If you ask me, it's because Chicago has historically given Lou problems, while Schneider doesn't seem to get rattled as easily by certain match-ups. Case in point: The Chicago and Boston starts that CS got last season, even though he was the back-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 This thread is at an all time low. Too many of you overvalue Canuck players. It's really hard to read, and my face is red with all the face palms I've done. So... Screw you guys, I'm going home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I thought A.V. said he would play the hot goaltender. Lu played pretty well against L.A. so he gets the start? In no way has he won his starting job back. You are simply deceiving yourself if you think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eretz canucks Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 And who the hell is going to want to go to a Panthers game? Lu will get people to the arena and Bjugstad won't do anything for the Panthers for a few more years when he becomes a star. Panther's ownership will be all over Tallon if they believe Luongo will help sell tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUFFY Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I thought A.V. said he would play the hot goaltender. Lu played pretty well against L.A. so he gets the start? In no way has he won his starting job back. You are simply deceiving yourself if you think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Tallon signed Campbell to a $7.1m contract Tallon signed a man who's never hit 30 points Bergenheim to a $2.75m/y contract for 4 years Tallon signed a man with 37 career goals Kopecky to a $3m/y contract for 4 years Tallon signed a man who hit 34 points ONCE Upshall to a $3m/y contract to a $3.5m/y contract for 4 years Yeah I dont think Tallon thinks the same way the rest of the hockey world does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 ya I have to agree. Way to go AV, way to show confidence in Cory!! Wonder when he'll demand a trade!!??........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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