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#211 MJDDawg

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:00 AM

Just for the fun of it, check out these Bjugstad highlights. Remember, the kid is 6'5".



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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:06 AM

If Gillis can pry Weiss, Bjugstad and a 1st out of Florida I will literally build a golden shrine of him.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:07 AM

funny thing is Bjugstad from Minesota and Schroeder is there too.........if we add Labate to the mix.......we have three Minesota players.......ha!
seriously it going take a lot to convince Tallon to give him up but he might be nice since he was the Canucks ever draft pick in 1970......it might cost something more than Luongo
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:11 AM

If Gillis can pry Weiss, Bjugstad and a 1st out of Florida I will literally build a golden shrine of him.

no chance we get both Bjugstad and 1st round pick......it one or the other. Maybe this is the factor of why a trade not done yet.....
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:13 AM

Drew Shore shouldn't be overlooked here either. I know Bjugstad gets alot of hype on here, but Shore is a really solid prospect too.

Potential Kesler type player in the making. 6'3" 190 lb feisty two-way player. Had very impressive numbers in college, and has a good resume of awards.

If Shore and a 1st is the consolation prize to not getting Bjugstad in the deal, I'd still be pretty happy.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:22 AM

I think if a trade were to happen it likely after the road trip or early february or maybe later on........
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:38 AM

funny thing is Bjugstad from Minesota and Schroeder is there too.........if we add Labate to the mix.......we have three Minesota players.......ha!


we've got Ballard (although I still don't get the joke)
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:48 AM

If WSH keeps losing, they'll be the ones IMO most in need of a elite goalie like Lou because they are a team that are expected by their fans to make the conference finals, at the very least.

I don't think this means VAN robs the bank though in a deal. WSH will be highly motivated though to get a fair deal done. I say:

Troy Brouwer
Neuvirth
1st round pick

OR

Troy Brouwer
Prospect
Draft picks but not WSH's 1st

MAYBE a another draft pick thrown in there.

That would be a fair deal, IMO.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:49 AM

We seemed to do fine without Malhotra's leadership faceoff and pking skills on our cup run 2 years ago so there goes that argument.

Our 4th line that year was Glass - Tambellini - Oreskovich. we got farther to the playoffs with that than with Malhotra last year so lol. It sounds to me like you're overrating Malhotra's importance to this team alittle bit.

and It isnt just 3 games, its a continuation of his play last year.


Really my argument is gone right?

Well lets see how banged up was Ryan Kesler at the end of the playoffs, when he was relied on twice as much as he would have in defensive situations, on the PK and taking important faceoffs, whereas if we had Manny that workload would have been cut in half, leaving him healthier and better for our offense, that's the whole reason we brought manny in, to cut back Kesler's defensive workload, and when Manny went down, Kesler's defensive workload doubled and it wore him down and made him ineffective when we needed him the most. And he is the straw that stirs the drink for this club.

And Heck even Henrik, he ended up injured too, you think if he wasn't relied on for as many defensive zone starts (since he is the only left handed player that could be relied on to take a faceoff with Manny gone) that he wouldn't have been as hurt? Think about it? Without Manny, when you need a left hander to take a draw in a critical defensive situation, who are going to call on? Alex Bolduc? Andrew Ebbett? Slide Higgins or Raymond over? These things all wear down and in a trickle down effect it made us worse offensively.

All that aside, in a way you side stepped my point, for a 4th line center who is a specialist in this case and plays a very important role for this club, why would you just let that go for a guy who isn't nearly as effective in that role, leaving your stars to take that over and it wears them down, and in this season it will be even worse, as injuries are a much bigger component. We have already seen it. If Manny is healthy he will be a big part of our team.

And our 4th line that year was a revolving door, that consisted of many players who played on that line: Glass, Volpatti, Bolduc, Tambellini, Desbiens, Orescovick, Hodgson, Malhotra, Higgins, Schaefer, Rypien, Joel Perreault, even Mario Bliznak played on the line, it was a relovling door that had no chemistry, I'm surprised the custodian didn't get a shot. That line was a non-factor for most of the year and playoffs, Now we have a solid 4th line and it will be a great advantage.

And even in 3 games, he has been great in that role, heck last game what was his faceoff percentage? 70-80%?

Just doesn't make sense to me.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:50 AM

i still think washington is going to be desperate if there goalies dont step it up this weekend.

as for toronto they can enjoy have scrivens some of those goals tonight a peewee goalie couldve stopped.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:53 AM

If WSH keeps losing, they'll be the ones IMO most in need of a elite goalie like Lou because they are a team that are expected by their fans to make the conference finals, at the very least.

I don't think this means VAN robs the bank though in a deal. WSH will be highly motivated though to get a fair deal done. I say:

Troy Brouwer
Neuvirth
1st round pick

OR

Troy Brouwer
Prospect
Draft picks but not WSH's 1st

MAYBE a another draft pick thrown in there.

That would be a fair deal, IMO.


Johansson and Nuevirth.

How about that instead, I would rather have that then Brouwer and the 1st + possible other picks.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:03 AM

Johansson and Nuevirth.

How about that instead, I would rather have that then Brouwer and the 1st + possible other picks.


If WSH is willing to part with their top prospect that would be great. Great piece for the future. Neuvirth would be an ample back up.

Although the Canucks seem to need a top 6 winger if the cup this year is the goal. Raymond won't cut it. I'm curious though about a healthly Kesler/Booth/+ Schroeder to set them up

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:16 AM

i wouldnt be stuck on bjugstad, I really do like the kind of player drew shore is. And hes getting some games in the nhl aswell.

If we could get weiss, shore and petrovic id be very interested. It would take luo plus some more but that helps us now and gives us a solid forward and defense man prospect aswell

but i also think we need a goalie back, maybe we get clemmenson and then florida trades theodore to be a number 1 on a different team if they got luo
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:17 AM

If WSH is willing to part with their top prospect that would be great. Great piece for the future. Neuvirth would be an ample back up.

Although the Canucks seem to need a top 6 winger if the cup this year is the goal. Raymond won't cut it. I'm curious though about a healthly Kesler/Booth/+ Schroeder to set them up


Yeah that's the guy I would shoot for, don't see what else they have that would be as useful as he would (that is avaliable)

I think Raymond might be a top 6 guy honestly, I form major raymond hater, but he is turning the page IMO, we just have to see if he can flip it over completely and move onto the next chapter, or if something catches his eye on the previous page and if he stays there.

If he doesn't work out and JS continues to prove he is ready to be a full time NHLer, then I would be very curious to give him a shot with Booth and Kes, his style does align very well with those two.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:17 AM

I was told a couple of days ago by somebody who is in the hockey world that the Canucks had been offered TJ Gaglardi plus from the Sharks for Luongo. Gaglardi does have an NTC (San Jose gives them away like they are free candy)

Take this for what it is worth, I know theres a lot of garbage rumors that get spewed around here so I get why yall would not believe me but all I will say is I am not the type of person to start random rumors and I would not say something unless I was told it by somebody who I trust and is in the know.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:18 AM

Bjugstad would sure by nice, but they aren't giving him up, I am interested to look into Shore, but I think we have to shoot for Weiss, other wise I don't know what else they have as a main piece.

I do want Petrovic in the deal though, I really like what he could bring.


I was told a couple of days ago by somebody who is in the hockey world that the Canucks had been offered TJ Gaglardi plus from the Sharks for Luongo. Gaglardi does have an NTC (San Jose gives them away like they are free candy)

Take this for what it is worth, I know theres a lot of garbage rumors that get spewed around here so I get why yall would not believe me but all I will say is I am not the type of person to start random rumors and I would not say something unless I was not told it by somebody who I trust.


I like him personally, but he is a 2nd/3rd liner, we have that (Raymond, Higgins, Hansen, exc.) I don't think we need another one.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:21 AM

Really my argument is gone right?

Well lets see how banged up was Ryan Kesler at the end of the playoffs, when he was relied on twice as much as he would have in defensive situations, on the PK and taking important faceoffs, whereas if we had Manny that workload would have been cut in half, leaving him healthier and better for our offense, that's the whole reason we brought manny in, to cut back Kesler's defensive workload, and when Manny went down, Kesler's defensive workload doubled and it wore him down and made him ineffective when we needed him the most. And he is the straw that stirs the drink for this club.

And Heck even Henrik, he ended up injured too, you think if he wasn't relied on for as many defensive zone starts (since he is the only left handed player that could be relied on to take a faceoff with Manny gone) that he wouldn't have been as hurt? Think about it? Without Manny, when you need a left hander to take a draw in a critical defensive situation, who are going to call on? Alex Bolduc? Andrew Ebbett? Slide Higgins or Raymond over? These things all wear down and in a trickle down effect it made us worse offensively.

All that aside, in a way you side stepped my point, for a 4th line center who is a specialist in this case and plays a very important role for this club, why would you just let that go for a guy who isn't nearly as effective in that role, leaving your stars to take that over and it wears them down, and in this season it will be even worse, as injuries are a much bigger component. We have already seen it. If Manny is healthy he will be a big part of our team.

And our 4th line that year was a revolving door, that consisted of many players who played on that line: Glass, Volpatti, Bolduc, Tambellini, Desbiens, Orescovick, Hodgson, Malhotra, Higgins, Schaefer, Rypien, Joel Perreault, even Mario Bliznak played on the line, it was a relovling door that had no chemistry, I'm surprised the custodian didn't get a shot. That line was a non-factor for most of the year and playoffs, Now we have a solid 4th line and it will be a great advantage.

And even in 3 games, he has been great in that role, heck last game what was his faceoff percentage? 70-80%?

Just doesn't make sense to me.


Kesler was fine till game 2 of the SCF..... Im not sure how Malhotra being healthy taking defensive faceoffs could have prevented Boychuck from hitting Kesler's hips.

AV would've still played Kesler against the other teams top lines and take key defensive faceoffs over a healthy Malhotra anyway.

Henrik was banged up because he faced off against Chara, Weber , Keith and Seabrook... again I dont know how taking defensive faceoffs got Kesler and Henrik banged up...

You're trying to find reasons on why our top players got injured and linking it to Malhotra's god like defensive skills.

In the new NHL you cant have one dimensional players, Malhotra is a one dimesional player.

If he's so valuable and a key component to a cup contender, where is the 2.5m faceoff specialist in Pittsburg,Philly,Det,SJ,STL??
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:29 AM

If WSH keeps losing, they'll be the ones IMO most in need of a elite goalie like Lou because they are a team that are expected by their fans to make the conference finals, at the very least.

I don't think this means VAN robs the bank though in a deal. WSH will be highly motivated though to get a fair deal done. I say:

Troy Brouwer
Neuvirth
1st round pick

OR

Troy Brouwer
Prospect
Draft picks but not WSH's 1st

MAYBE a another draft pick thrown in there.

That would be a fair deal, IMO.


I'm thinking Brouwer and Johanssen for Luongo.

Brouwer is about as solid a third line winger as you can get. But he's obviously not a center piece.

The caps give us Johanssen as the centerpiece. Probably a prospect on our side. But basically Florida gives us a big part of their future for a chance to win now. That's the way it should be.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:48 AM

Kesler was fine till game 2 of the SCF..... Im not sure how Malhotra being healthy taking defensive faceoffs could have prevented Boychuck from hitting Kesler's hips.

AV would've still played Kesler against the other teams top lines and take key defensive faceoffs over a healthy Malhotra anyway.

Henrik was banged up because he faced off against Chara, Weber , Keith and Seabrook... again I dont know how taking defensive faceoffs got Kesler and Henrik banged up...

You're trying to find reasons on why our top players got injured and linking it to Malhotra's god like defensive skills.

In the new NHL you cant have one dimensional players, Malhotra is a one dimesional player.

If he's so valuable and a key component to a cup contender, where is the 2.5m faceoff specialist in Pittsburg,Philly,Det,SJ,STL??


Actually you are off base on both your recolections, Kesler was injured before the SCF even started, Henrik, who knows when he was hurt? Im sure having to play in key situations, and taking the abuse that goes along with it didn't help matters, don't you?

I think you are forgetting what Manny was to this team, his acquisition was as a shutdown 3rd line center, who was a specialist in faceoffs and PK. And brought in to take more defense zone situations and PK minutes, important faceoffs, exc. Away from Kesler. Kesler wouldn't have been used over Manny, Manny would have cut into his time, greatly reducing his wear and tear and our need for him defensively, leaving him able to focus on offense, it's not hard to connect the dots when you consider the dynamics & the circumstances of the situation.

And yes there are one dimensional players & there is a place for them in todays game, Hello Erik Karlsson won the Norris last year. By your logic Weber easily would have won it. Aside from that, Alex Semin was able to get a nice 7 Million dollar deal, hes a one dimensional player. Jay McClement just got a nice contract from Toronto to play a similar role for them that Manny did for us, & if you consider manny a one diemsional player, then he certainly is.

Where are there 2.5 Million dollar faceoff specialist? Not a fair way to judge as there are circumstances there, Manny healthy brings alot more than this manny, but anyways I'll go with it.

Maxime Talbot got a pretty nice deal, he is getting paid 2.25 this season and next year, aswell as 2 Million the year after till it dips to bring the cap hit down to 1.75.

Brandon Sutter is in that role for Pittsburgh, yes he bring more demensions you might say but his role with that team might not allow him to use those to other dimensions too there full potential and that leaves him in the same role a healthy Manny's was in 10/11, and he makes north of 2 Million.

Detriots defensive specialst Darren Helm makes north of 2 Million, and even Patrick Eaves makes north of 1 Million.

The Sharks have a few guys, Adam Burish makes 1.8 Million, he's not there for his offense and Martin Hanzus's cap hit is 2.5.

The Blues defensive forwards, Jamie Langenbrunner and Vladimir Sobotka (who I love) both make nice wages, Langenbrunner at a CH of 1.8 and Sobotka's CH is 1.3.

Look at LA, Jarret Stoll who plays the exact same role a healthy Manny played for us makes 3.25 Million.

The Oilers Eric Belanger makes 1.75,

The Bruins Chris Kelly makes 3 Million, Greg Campbell makes 1.6.

Matthew Lombardi makes 2 Million, Daymond Langkow made around 2 Milll last year, Boyd Gordon makes 1.3

Vernon Fiddler makes 1.8


Do you want me to continue? There are many comparables. Even then this is all beside my original point, who would you rather have in that 4th line center spot on this team? Manny or Perreault, once again to me the choice seems obvious.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:03 AM

shoo with your logic!, all canuck players should have career years every year!
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:34 AM

The Galiardi rumour sounds about right. It's insane how much people around here think we're going to get for Lu (phenomenal young players, top-shelf prospects and potential lottery picks - and not just one, but multiples of those). Ha!... A second liner and a half-decent prospect is far more likely...
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:41 PM by BloodyCanuckleheads

I could definitely see Grabner going. He seems to have done his best to play his way out the door (and Gillis seems to be the smartest GM we've ever had, so, put two and two together)...

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:43 AM

Actually you are off base on both your recolections, Kesler was injured before the SCF even started, Henrik, who knows when he was hurt? Im sure having to play in key situations, and taking the abuse that goes along with it didn't help matters, don't you?

I think you are forgetting what Manny was to this team, his acquisition was as a shutdown 3rd line center, who was a specialist in faceoffs and PK. And brought in to take more defense zone situations and PK minutes, important faceoffs, exc. Away from Kesler. Kesler wouldn't have been used over Manny, Manny would have cut into his time, greatly reducing his wear and tear and our need for him defensively, leaving him able to focus on offense, it's not hard to connect the dots when you consider the dynamics & the circumstances of the situation.

And yes there are one dimensional players & there is a place for them in todays game, Hello Erik Karlsson won the Norris last year. By your logic Weber easily would have won it. Aside from that, Alex Semin was able to get a nice 7 Million dollar deal, hes a one dimensional player. Jay McClement just got a nice contract from Toronto to play a similar role for them that Manny did for us, & if you consider manny a one diemsional player, then he certainly is.

Where are there 2.5 Million dollar faceoff specialist? Not a fair way to judge as there are circumstances there, Manny healthy brings alot more than this manny, but anyways I'll go with it.

Maxime Talbot got a pretty nice deal, he is getting paid 2.25 this season and next year, aswell as 2 Million the year after till it dips to bring the cap hit down to 1.75.

Brandon Sutter is in that role for Pittsburgh, yes he bring more demensions you might say but his role with that team might not allow him to use those to other dimensions too there full potential and that leaves him in the same role a healthy Manny's was in 10/11, and he makes north of 2 Million.

Detriots defensive specialst Darren Helm makes north of 2 Million, and even Patrick Eaves makes north of 1 Million.

The Sharks have a few guys, Adam Burish makes 1.8 Million, he's not there for his offense and Martin Hanzus's cap hit is 2.5.

The Blues defensive forwards, Jamie Langenbrunner and Vladimir Sobotka (who I love) both make nice wages, Langenbrunner at a CH of 1.8 and Sobotka's CH is 1.3.

Look at LA, Jarret Stoll who plays the exact same role a healthy Manny played for us makes 3.25 Million.

The Oilers Eric Belanger makes 1.75,

The Bruins Chris Kelly makes 3 Million, Greg Campbell makes 1.6.

Matthew Lombardi makes 2 Million, Daymond Langkow made around 2 Milll last year, Boyd Gordon makes 1.3

Vernon Fiddler makes 1.8


Do you want me to continue? There are many comparables. Even then this is all beside my original point, who would you rather have in that 4th line center spot on this team? Manny or Perreault, once again to me the choice seems obvious.


I cant believe you brought in Karlsson and Semin into this debate... were talking about about 4th liners here, perhaps i should have elaborated more. But anyways...

Just about every player you mentioned there is better than Malhotra, because they've goot one thing going for them... the ability to play 5 on 5 hockey without being a liability.

Jarrett Stoll doesnt play in the 4th line taking faceoffs, he's actually a useful player that played a huge part of the Kings run.

The fact that your putting Malhotra in the likes of Stoll, Helm, Kelly, Langenbrunner and Sabotka only shows how much you overrate him.

I would take Helm, Kelly, LAngenbrunner and Sabotka any day over Malhotra not even close. and guess what? Malhotra makes more than all of them. Infact the 2 players you mentioned (Sabotka/Langenbrunner) in total cap hit is 2.8m.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:18 AM

I think Florida is the team we trade with on the fact alone Tor and any other potential team have nothing to bargain with.

Gudbranson
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Upshall
Theodore


at least some form of package deal with Florida once again makes a shred of sense.

If they keep getting lit up I bet they're willing to give up one prospect and a backup goalie/upshall for Luongo + Raymond
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Gaunce is wayy cooler though, Gaunce is the kind of guy you want to bring with you to Costco

 

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#234 ALTtimegreat

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:36 AM

a 3 way trade could be on the horizon:

To philly: Luongo, (ballard)
To Wash: Bryzgalov, philly late pick
To Van: Brouwer, Neuvirth, philly 1st, Read

Is what 'm hearing. Waiting on Bryz to commit to Wash. Luongo might waive to philly than wash.
3 way is likely since both philly and wash are unwilling to give big assets alone back to van.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:44 AM

Jamie Benn = 5 year contract = just announced by FAN-590 = Dallas...
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:47 AM

a 3 way trade could be on the horizon:

To philly: Luongo, (ballard)
To Wash: Bryzgalov, philly late pick
To Van: Brouwer, Neuvirth, philly 1st, Read

Is what 'm hearing. Waiting on Bryz to commit to Wash. Luongo might waive to philly than wash.
3 way is likely since both philly and wash are unwilling to give big assets alone back to van.


Oh that's what you're hearing? Well book it people, this guy's as good as gold!
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:24 AM

Kassian and Schroeder have not proven anything yet other than nice starts. No way MG would base a Lui trade on an extrapolation of their performance to date.

My read on current trade partners;
TO: not in the mix, no matchs
Wash: Bigger concern there is what is Ovy's problem. Play continues to deteriorate. Lui would help but Oates is probably still assessing his team.
Philly: shown that they will make big deals. How to get rid of Brys?
Florida; What is Tallon's time line. Will he give up young talent when his core will not be ready for a serious push for 2 - 3 years?

The big read from the first week of play is RECORD attendance. All those prophets of doom during the lockout have to shake their heads. If things hold as is the likelyhood of a CAP reduction over an above the sscheduled adjustment is not likely. Dare I suggest that the CAP might even increase over an above the projected rate? All this will/should impact how GM's look at possible trades.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:28 AM

No thanks to Brouwer. He's a good hockey but the Canucks have enough 2way players, they need a young offensive dynamo like Johan or Forsberg.
If the Capitals lose through the weekend, hopefully they'll pull the trigger.

Forsberg, Neuvirth
For
Lu, Sauve, Sweatt, 3rd

Canucks need young blue chip prospects, the cupboards are bare. Management can't just think of now.

Edited by sampy, 25 January 2013 - 08:30 AM.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:57 AM

Johansson and Nuevirth.

How about that instead, I would rather have that then Brouwer and the 1st + possible other picks.


For sure. I really don't understand why some people make Brouwer, Laich, etc the main piece coming back in their trade proposals.

The problem with the Canucks is they already have those types of players. Kesler, Higgins, Burrows, Hansen, and Booth are all hard working north south type players, but lack elite skill outside of the Sedins. They need to get an elite player back in a trade, even if it is just in the form of potential, and not these fringe second/third liners.

Any of Johansson, Forsberg, Kuznetsov, Kadri, Gardiner, Rielly, Bjugstad, Gudbranson,Couturier, should be a starting point for the Canucks. Adding a second round pick and Neuvirth ( who would be sitting on the bench most of the time) doesn't justify a Troy Brouwer trade.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:09 AM

The Galiardi rumour sounds about right. It's insane how much people around here think we're going to get for Lu (phenomenal young players, top-shelf prospects and potential lottery picks - and not just one, but multiples of those). Ha!... A second liner and a half-decent prospect is far more likely...


Galiardi is not a second liner, the guy is junk. So I can see why Luongo is still a canuck-that guy does not help the canucks at all


Id do:

Luongo
Hansen
Cannauton
2014 2nd

for
Matthias
Bjugstad
Clemensen


over payment, but Bjugstad becomes easily our best prospect- I see this guy being a future captain and 1st line centre.
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