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#2401 oldnews

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:50 PM

Brendan Morrow would be worth a deadline day phone call too.


One of my favorite players - he's 'only' 6' 205, but has gigantic game imo - I was surprised to hear he was 'reported' to be available last trade deadline. Yeah, he's had injury problems and people are starting to cry decline, but I'd absolutely love to have Morrow - so much backbone - on the other hand, am relieved Ott didn't land in Vancouver.
If both the Canucks are Morrow were healthy down the stretch, he is one of the very few people I'd consider in a potential rental situation - otherwise, fairly dead set against the concept.

Edited by oldnews, 10 February 2013 - 09:53 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:51 PM

Bottom line is Luongo is more useful to us as a backup than anything acquired in a trade. With our roster as deep as it is, we no longer requiring secondary scoring with Kesler/Booth returning on top of having Schroeder, Raymond and Kassian all performing in offensive roles. Hansen and Higgins have also looked good offensively. I'm not going to bump any of these guys out of the lineup for some 6'3 big guy who might be able to pot 20 points in a full season. We have team toughness with Kassian, Weise, Volpatti, Lapierre, Bieksa, and Ballard. I'm not worried about matching teams physically when Kassian can play 18 minutes of physicality while still potting the odd goal.

I'm not sold on any of these projected trades, and once again I focus on the deal happening before the trade deadline, of which is not beneficial to the Canucks. Those that agree with me note that we don't have any glaring needs, compound that with potentially shaking up a system that is working by acquiring a player who would change the dynamic of our 3rd line. That, or a trade which would get us prospects and picks that we couldn't use immediately. As far as I'm concerned with the way Luongo is playing, and his comfort with the team, any trade that would occur between now and the deadline would be a loss. Might as well wait until the season is over before we go and shake up the roster.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:02 PM

... on a silver plate.

A big body, nasty, net-clearing forward is the name of the game and Schneider is a great piece to add to any team.

Lets face it; Luongo is on a long term deal with the Canucks. He's warming up to the idea of remaining with the team, I strongly suggest fans do so too.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

Bottom line is Luongo is more useful to us as a backup than anything acquired in a trade. With our roster as deep as it is, we no longer requiring secondary scoring with Kesler/Booth returning on top of having Schroeder, Raymond and Kassian all performing in offensive roles. Hansen and Higgins have also looked good offensively. I'm not going to bump any of these guys out of the lineup for some 6'3 big guy who might be able to pot 20 points in a full season. We have team toughness with Kassian, Weise, Volpatti, Lapierre, Bieksa, and Ballard. I'm not worried about matching teams physically when Kassian can play 18 minutes of physicality while still potting the odd goal.

I'm not sold on any of these projected trades, and once again I focus on the deal happening before the trade deadline, of which is not beneficial to the Canucks. Those that agree with me note that we don't have any glaring needs, compound that with potentially shaking up a system that is working by acquiring a player who would change the dynamic of our 3rd line. That, or a trade which would get us prospects and picks that we couldn't use immediately. As far as I'm concerned with the way Luongo is playing, and his comfort with the team, any trade that would occur between now and the deadline would be a loss. Might as well wait until the season is over before we go and shake up the roster.


This may not be far off the management's thinking.

Although deadline deals, whereby draft picks or prospects are traded for soon to be UFAs, are usually a bad investment in assets required to keep a farm system deep, this could be argued a reasonable gamble this year due to the possible result of a goalie trade.

As in, for example, should the Canucks decide to trade their 2013 1st, 3rd and 4th round picks at the deadline it may not be a mortgaging of the future but rather a loan against a greater possible return near the draft. If MG is certain that he can get an excellent package of prospects and picks for Lou then all of this speculating about potential trade match-ups has been moot.

Step 1: Keep Lou
Step 2: Trade ++ picks for playoff rentals
Step 3: Win Cup
Step 4: Goalie trade for +++ minors depth
Step 5: Profit
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:35 PM

I think Eddie Lack's injury also necessitates wasting asset value on a backup were Luongo to be traded sooner as opposed to later and adds weight to the hesitancy to move Luongo, or the insistence that Gillis' firm terms be met at this point or he won't be persuaded to move Luongo in the short term.
I personally am not too concerned if a return weren't quite as strong in the offseason as it is now. You still want to get full value for a player, but the Canucks have pretty much milked the Luongo deal for quite some time (there really is no 'losing' where getting value out of that trade has been concerned), they aren't in desperate need of any immediate additions, and the young players the Canucks are developing seem to be refuting the frequent claims that Gillis and the Canucks have failed to produce a prospect pool.

Edited by oldnews, 10 February 2013 - 10:42 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:55 PM

George McPhee, who's team has numerous superstars (Ovechkin) and performance versus expectations sulks;

McPhee also acknowledged that more is needed from his goaltending tandem of Braden Holtby, 22, and Michael Neuvirth, 24. The Capitals have allowed a League-worst 3.73 goals-against per game.

"With respect to getting itchy fingers and whatever, if there's something I can do to make the club better, I will," he said. "I've had some real good discussions with ownership over the last couple of days and they're obviously not very happy. But they've been supportive. At times like this ownership can pile on and make things worse. Or ownership can say 'How can we help and what we can do to make it better?' And it's been the latter. It's been 'How can we help, what can we do to make it better?'…"

"That being said, if there's something I can do to help the club out I will."

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:57 PM

Begin?
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:05 PM

I thiink McPhee is looking for the OK from ownership to take on another large contract-Green, Bckstrom, Ovi...Luongo.

Let's face it WSH can pay the price without really hurting their team now or down the line...

How does Brouwer, 2013 1st and a prospect not named Kuznetosv hurt them more than their current goaltending. WSH's goaltending hurts them night in night out and it hurts the moral and lets be honest- OVi is a selfish guy and probably pretty p-o'ed they are losing so much.

Plus once Luongo goes on to rock it in WSH McPhee will get GM of the year.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:08 PM

Begin?


Nah, he's too old. :P

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:13 PM

Lu for Carlson, Neuvirth

Lu for Brouwer, Orlov, Neuvirth

Lu, 2nd for Bjugstad (Conditional 1st if Bjugstad leaves), Shore, goalie
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Lu and Raymond for Bjugstad (Conditional 1st if Bjugstad leaves), goalie, Versteeg

Lu for Petrovic, Matthias, goalie

Lu for Kulikov, Shore, goalie

Edited by iluvbc, 10 February 2013 - 11:24 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:19 PM

Lu for Carlson, Neuvirth

Lu for Brouwer, Orlov, Neuvirth

Lu for Bjugstad and Conditional 1st (if Bjugstad leaves), goalie

Lu and Raymond for Bjugstad and Conditional 1st (if Bjugstad leaves), goalie, Versteeg

Lu for Petrovic, Matthias, goalie

Lu for Kulikov, Shore, goalie

Lu for Carlson, Neuvirth

Lu for Brouwer, Orlov, Neuvirth

Lu for Bjugstad and Conditional 1st (if Bjugstad leaves), goalie

Lu and Raymond for Bjugstad and Conditional 1st (if Bjugstad leaves), goalie, Versteeg

Lu for Petrovic, Matthias, goalie

Lu for Kulikov, Shore, goalie


More like a conditional 2nd than a conditional 1st.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:23 PM

To wash:

Luongo
Raymond
Cannauton

To Van:

Carlson
Brouwer
Neuvirth

Edited by JohnLennon, 10 February 2013 - 11:31 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:28 PM

Brouwer, a 1st + Chimera for Luongo & Raymond.

Playoffs:

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Booth - Kesler - Burrows
Higgins - Lapierre - Brouwer
Chimera - Malhotra - Hansen

Schroeder, Weise, Volpatti, Gordon, Ebbett, Sweatt

YEEEEEP.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:30 PM

Brouwer's contract after this year is concerning.
I'd do:

Luongo
Raymond

for

Ribero
Forsberg
Neruvirth
1st


Then try to move a pick for a Steve Ott kind of player

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
Burrows-Kesler-Ribeiro
Booth-Schroeder-Higgins
Ott-Lapierre-Hansen

Stacked.

Edited by Number14, 10 February 2013 - 11:35 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:31 PM

Brouwer, a 1st + Chimera for Luongo & Raymond.

Playoffs:

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Booth - Kesler - Burrows
Higgins - Lapierre - Brouwer
Chimera - Malhotra - Hansen

Schroeder, Weise, Volpatti, Gordon, Ebbett, Sweatt

YEEEEEP.


Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Brouwer
Higgins - Lapierre - Kassian
Chimera - Malhotra - Hansen
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:35 PM

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Brouwer
Higgins - Lapierre - Kassian
Chimera - Malhotra - Hansen


SOOOO MANY OPTIONS


Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Booth
Brouwer - Schroeder - Kassian
Chimera - Lapierre - Hansen

Sedin - Sedin - Brouwer?

Anyway, the point is that trade creates tremendous depth. And Brouwer is a long-term addition and of course the 1st in super helpful for the future.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:37 PM

Brouwer, Chimera + 1st for Luongo & Raymond

Then Nabokov for a 4th rounder
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:42 PM

Lu, Raymond for Dubinsky, Ryan Johansen and second
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:42 PM

I like the brouwer and a first part a lot.
Id move Higgins instead of Raymond. Higgins does not offer anything specialor unique. Raymond is speey and while he is inconsistent his speed and shot are far better than higgins.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:45 PM

Brouwer, Chimera + 1st for Luongo & Raymond

Then Nabokov for a 4th rounder


Yea creates depth and adds a much needed big body. But I m sure a goalie would be included somewhere in there..
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:48 PM

I like the brouwer and a first part a lot.
Id move Higgins instead of Raymond. Higgins does not offer anything specialor unique. Raymond is speey and while he is inconsistent his speed and shot are far better than higgins.


Plus hes homegrown and is more trade-able later on (for a big body).
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:48 PM

Yea creates depth and adds a much needed big body. But I m sure a goalie would be included somewhere in there..


Schneider + Holtby/Neuvirth leaves a lot of experience to be wanted, I'd prefer a veteran guy like Nabokov personally. Then NYI & WSH can make a deal for a goalie... Or maybe a 3-way, I guess

To Vancouver: Brouwer, Chimera, WSH's 1st, Nabokov
To NYI: Holtby, Vancouver's 4th
To WSH: Luongo, Raymond
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:49 PM

I like the brouwer and a first part a lot.
Id move Higgins instead of Raymond. Higgins does not offer anything specialor unique. Raymond is speey and while he is inconsistent his speed and shot are far better than higgins.


Raymond in the playoffs has been a failure over & over.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:00 AM

Schneider + Holtby/Neuvirth leaves a lot of experience to be wanted, I'd prefer a veteran guy like Nabokov personally. Then NYI & WSH can make a deal for a goalie... Or maybe a 3-way, I guess

To Vancouver: Brouwer, Chimera, WSH's 1st, Nabokov
To NYI: Holtby, Vancouver's 4th
To WSH: Luongo, Raymond


I don't think you've thought this through.....
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:00 AM

There are rumblings regarding Schneider's agent who might have played his cards differently in light of Luongo doing so good, as well as TSN finally going on record that Schneider will "have to seize his opportunity when it comes", which he has.

Basic fact is, the Canucks are the richest team between the pipes. Lets just enjoy this franchise's golden age now, for it will come to an abrupt stop in a few years.


Actually, the basic fact is:

Bob McKenzie@TSNBobMcKenzie
Oh, yeah, for conspiracy theorists, WSH isn't talking to VAN, has no plans to talk to VAN on any goalie. BTW, VAN isn't trading Schneider.



To reiterate:

"VAN isn't trading Schneider."

So in essence, you're saying Luongo is the better goalie... Hear that SmashianKassian? Or... See that? Stats don't lie right?

Trade Schneider if he's so unhappy about not being the undisputed number one.


Lol.

Yes.

.010% more when both are under 2 is a huge margin. (He actually has .940%)

If Luongo played the games Schneider did early on (When the team was rusty as H***) I don't think his stats would be quite what they were. Have you seen Schneider in his last few games?

Brouwer is not a top 3 forward ... He has a career high of 40 points. Higgins put up more than that last year playing primarily on the 3rd line. At best that's a sideways move, but it's more likely a downgrade.

So downgrade to Brouwer ... downgrade to Neuvirth ... and receive a 1st and 2nd as compensation for getting fleeced on roster players?

I thought the goal of trading a goalie was to IMPROVE the team?


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I'm so happy I am not the only one who sees this, Brouwer is so redundant.

what do we think of:

Schneider
Higgins

to WSH

Brouwer
Neuvirth
2013 1st
2013 2nd




or to CBJ for

2013 first, Ryan Johansen, Derek Dorsett.


No, and the 2nd trade is worth more than the 1st, but Schneids isn't going anywhere, so no to either.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 11 February 2013 - 12:01 AM.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:01 AM

Schneider + Holtby/Neuvirth leaves a lot of experience to be wanted, I'd prefer a veteran guy like Nabokov personally. Then NYI & WSH can make a deal for a goalie... Or maybe a 3-way, I guess

To Vancouver: Brouwer, Chimera, WSH's 1st, Nabokov
To NYI: Holtby, Vancouver's 4th
To WSH: Luongo, Raymond


I like the idea of adding a big body and something for the future.

We need to add size/grit for the playoffs to go against teams like LA and Sharks even the Blues. This should be MGs priority. We could also use a 3rd line center.

Lu + Raymond for Laich...+
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:03 AM

I don't think you've thought this through.....


Why not?

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Burrows - Kesler - Booth
Higgins - Lapierre - Brouwer
Chimera - Malhotra - Hansen
Schroeder, Volpatti, Weise, Ebbett, Sweatt

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Garrison - Edler
Ballard - Tanev
Alberts, Vandermeer, Barker, Connauton

Schneider
Nabokov
Lack

Looks like a deadly playoff line-up to me..
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:04 AM

I like the idea of adding a big body and something for the future.

We need to add size/grit for the playoffs to go against teams like LA and Sharks even the Blues. This should be MGs priority. We could also use a 3rd line center.

Lu + Raymond for Laich...+


Agreed, although not sure if Laich's contract is sustainable for the Canucks or not.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:09 AM

Why not?


Because you have the Isles trading only Nabokov and receiving Holtby and a 4th.

Edit: Change Was 1st to NYI 1st and you're a lot closer.

Edited by theminister, 11 February 2013 - 12:12 AM.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:13 AM

^^Is that not Troy Brouwer?

With the way the Capitals are going, they very well could miss the playoffs.


I don't really think so, he isn't as mobile and versitile as those guys, if we can bring in a center like that, great. But a winger like Brouwer would be redunant IMO when we have Higgins, Hansen and Kassian in that 3rd line mix.
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