In that top 5 > you have four left side D, 1 right side D, 1 right handed shot and NO puck rushing D. Ballard has a few go's at it, but it's not the same as having Pietrangelo, Letang, Yandle. Absolutely its great having accumulated all the talent we have on D; but if (perhaps with Lou, perhaps independently) we traded one of those left side D...
If we trade Ballard for Orlov you still have ridiculous wealth on the left side better right; (trade directly or indirectly)
Orlov is roughly a 210 lb right handed shot with substantially more upside and physical ability than Tanev. No he won't be as game ready or steady; so Tanev can take the Top 4 role but we can inject him if physical matches dictate and let him develop. So lets call the portion of a trade Orlov for Ballard = fair value as Ballard is going to contribute more now, Orlov has the potential and a lower cap hit.
Then we ask for MoJo / Forsberg for Lou. When they squawk (if its a big ask) settle for either a 2013 1st or a simpler Lou for Johansen and Orlov deal, perhaps a 2knd to close. This also is pretty close to fair value IMO.
Forsberg and Brouwer is a pretty good alternate also good value offer which could help us. I don't think they would go for it, cuz they need Brouwer, but its good value.
Getting back to the puck rushing D; How about
Lou / Ballard for Mike Green/Johansen and (again start with) asking for Forsberg and see if they give us enough to make the deal. This looks deadly;
Add to it Johansen for C depth and upside and a prospect / pick and our line up looks smashing.
Lots of ways to make a deal with Washington that help both clubs. And yes a right handed big D in Orlov makes perfect sense!
You want Orlov, a somewhat unproven, struggling and injured D-man when we have our top 4 locked up for 3+ years, and our number 5 locked in as Tanev, with Connoughton playing well with Tanev and potentially ready to make the jump to the NHL (along with Barker, Vandermeer, Alberts...) Value is wasted somwhere here, because Orlov wouldn't be top 4 on this team.
Hamrlik, a guy there's no way we'd re-sign, and literally has the turning radius of a freight train on rails that don't go where he needs to be. Least mobile defenseman this side of Chara. OK so we can put him as #6 now and then not have that value next year.
A first next year, which means another year removed from being NHL ready when this year is known to be a stacked draft year
A pick leaving us from when? this year? that'd be depressing
Brouwer with a RIDICULOUS contract. He's a guy who is what we have already... with Kassian, Kesler, Lapierre, Schroeder, Hansen, we're not short of right handed shots. He is a bowling ball with a wrist shot. We have physicality, and Hansen, Kassian, Lapierre, Schroeder, Higgins, Kesler, Raymond, both Sedins and Burrows all have more hockey sense than him. Booth would be the only comparable, but Booth is faster with more upside, and Brouwer isn't cheap enough to be worth the cap savings. Also, the wingers he'd be taking time from all have caps $1.5m-$2.7m lower than his.
Tom WIlson. A 200lb 6-4 prospet with D potential according to hockey's future - AKA a project. "What remains to be seen is whether the big winger can develop his offensive skills – it will be the difference between Wilson being a top 6 forward or a 4th-line energy player." Unlike Kassian (B potential), he DOESN'T naturally have the same hockey sense/offensive skillset. Maybe he ends up being another Brouwer... But he may end up just being a 4th liner. 12 goals in 77 OHL games is pretty bad, and thats JUNIOR hockey. Sure he gets lots of PIMS, but I think we've addressed our toughness enough.
And to get that AMAZING return, you want to give up a fast moving defense-man with chemistry and who has already adapted to our system, Higgins or Raymond(who are both better skaters than anything coming back), a pick presumably this year, and a gold medal SCF perrenial elite goalie(the best and most proven Goalie available now and in the foreseeable future).
So rather than ranting and raving like a middle school girlfriend, come to grips with the fact that is horrible return on our biggest trade-able asset
that's just silly you SILLY GOOSE
Edited by Canuck Surfer, 14 February 2013 - 04:56 PM.